George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #12 Wed July 10

[faw720]

I'm not so sure about that. Anything could happen, but if it were me on the jury I would have a hard time getting around the fact that GZ set these events into motion with his own reckless actions. You never know what a jury will do. I have served before on a week long case. It was exhausting. And I can tell you that the verdict that the media predicted we would come up with was not the one that was handed down. God bless those jurors. This is a hard case.

I'm hoping for a miracle that the jury will be able to see into the heart & mind of GZ. That is where the truth resides. Whatever their vedict, I hope it represents the truth of this sad situation.

 

[4Jacy]

So this is Mr. Root's first time testifying as an expert witness. Got to start somewhere. IMO

Well, it's publicity for his new company. I wouldn't hire him. MOO

 

[2door73chevy]

I wonder if TM said "You shot me" rather than "you got me" and it was misheard.

I agree and I'm sure with all the chaos happening "exact" wording may not have been heard or understood. IMO

 

[Trident]

Especially when we have 14-17 yr olds all over the country for murder.

Exactly.

My opinion through reading here, watching the news, and various print news outlets.

 

[Donnareit]

I'm hoping for a miracle that the jury will be able to see into the heart & mind of GZ. That is where the truth resides. Whatever their vedict, I hope it represents the truth of this sad situation.

Amen.

 

[gracielee]

I got called away for awhile, just got back, what happened? Are we in recess?

 

[Moonie]

I agree GZ is a victim, but IMO probably not the way you mean. I think (so my opinion only) that GZ came into that dark night with a cloak of victimhood pervading his thoughts. I hear it in the frustration in his voice during the 911 call.
If he had stopped to think about it, "these as***oles" do not ALWAYS get away. At least one of the burglars had been arrested on the testimony of a construction crew. Those guys were given high praise; so perhaps GZ (subconsciously) thought if he could catch one it would allievate some of his victimhood (or feelings of inferiority).
He wasn't very good at MMA (according to the testimony of his trainer), his wife didn't feel protected in their neighborhood (according to his interview), and he bought and practised with a gun that he expected he would need to use on somebody (according to his BFF).
GZ was sold the same bill of goods that we all are; that being that might makes right. I can easily see ADHD "Georgie" charging out of his car and into this fight. However, like Don Quixote, he soon discovered he was jousting with a windmill capable of doing him great harm. Did he fear for his life at that point? Undoubtedly. Was he justified in shooting TM? I do not think so.
Merely putting ourselves in harms way, thinking we are more capable than LE, and wanting others to see us as their champions is not a good enough reason to shoot and kill a stranger in our midst, no matter how suspicious we become for whatever schema we bring to the situation.
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I really like the way you said this. Bravo missy :clap:

 

[Isabelle]

Well, it's publicity for his new company. I wouldn't hire him. MOO

Sure is and doing this case for free was a definite way to get his foot in the door! IMO

 

[katiewonders]

I got called away for awhile, just got back, what happened? Are we in recess?

Until 1:45

 

[Trident]

Well, it's publicity for his new company. I wouldn't hire him. MOO

I would, since he knows what he's talking about, and isn't shaken by BS.

My Opinion.

 

[Isabelle]

The defense blew it bringing in a rookie cop traitor to this trial. Huge mistake. IMO

How long was Root with LE? IMO

 

[defense101]

No. That is facts in evidence and testimony. TM had grass stains on his knees. How did he get them? Beating GZ down into the ground. why? BEcause we have the injuries to GZ's head, The witness testimony and GZ account that all fit.

IT has to fit and it does.

IMO these are facts that you may be using in your opinion that TM was raining blows down on GZ, I have been an abused woman know full well what raining blows feel like and what I looked like at the end of the abuse and GZ did not look anything like I did, I also had my head pounded into the floor and yes I did think I might lose my life but my injuries were so far past what GZ sustained that night that in no way do I believe that he was in threat of losing his life so this is from a voice of experience GZ did not look like he had blows rained down on him and did not look like he was in threat of losing his life imo

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I would, since he knows what he's talking about, and isn't shaken by BS.

My Opinion.

I would hope no one here would need such a witness as they would be on trial for their lives.

 

[cityslick]

What follows is My. Opinion. Only. I am not a lawyer/doctor/police officer/chemist, just a retiree who gets her local news out of Orlando, and has been following this case since day one.

I have to admit Mark O'Mara is "outlawyering" the state by a country mile. It takes real skill to turn a prosecution witness around to suit the defense! This guy is no Baez, that's for sure. He's good. Very, very good.

That said....

There are certain issues that the defense can spin all it wants but it doesn't change the facts:

1) Trayvon Martin was walking home from the 7-11 with his candy and his fruit drink, minding his own business and not breaking any laws.

2) George Zimmerman - armed with a loaded gun and with a background in martial arts - took it upon himself (NOT at the suggestion of law enforcement) to follow Martin, and then get out of his car and confront the teenager.

3) These facts make Zimmerman the aggressor.

Zimmerman claims Martin fought him and caused him injury; he was in fear for his life and so he shot Martin in self defense. He didn't choose to disable Martin by kicking him in the gonads or even wound him and then call 911; he shot the teen in the heart. The only reason you would aim for the heart is to kill someone dead on the spot.

If that is Zimmerman screaming for help on that tape, it certainly belies his "tough guy" attitude. Fighting an unarmed skinny teenager and you have a weapon and martial arts training and your only alternative is shoot-to-kill? Wow.

I don't understand how you can be the instigator in this sort of situation and then claim you are the victim. If anyone was Standing Their Ground that night, it was Trayvon Martin. But we only have Zimmerman's word on that since Trayvon Martin is, y'know, DEAD.

Whoever "wins" in this case, there are no real winners. Some of us will be satisfied with the verdict and some won't. Them's the breaks.

Why is it always an assumption that GZ 'confronted' TM. Where is the evidence of that? RJ? That's what the state is pinning all their case on? One witness who has credibility issues already?

Everyone on the other side blanket statement's that GZ was the instigator without any proof of the matter. Getting out of a car is not instigating anything.

 

[William N]

This man is a defense witness.

IMHO

One of the many bizarre things about this trial is that the prosecution has seemed like the defense. When you prosecute without a case and try to raise reasonable doubt rather than present facts, it looks that way.

 

[gxm]

A number of people on this forum discuss having witnessed fights, shootings, all kinds of violent things. Am I the only one who has never witnessed such violence? I live in a small town now, but I haven't always. I once lived in Washington DC and Philadelphia. Even there I never witnessed this kind of violence. I grant you it was many years ago, but still---never. I have never been abused, attacked, hit my head on the ground or floor or sidewalk. I once broke my arm but that was playing tennis and I fell.I've never broken the law and never even received a speeding ticket. I haven't smoked marijuana or used other illegal drugs. And my friends and family are more or less the same, except one of my nieces had a terrible automobile accident and was badly injured, but she recovered. No one in my family has ever been kidnapped or murdered.

So all of this is leading up to this question: Is it possible that I believe GZ is guilty because I have never seen a thing like this? I do believe GZ is not telling the truth about his encounter with TM and I believe TM unjustly lost his life. But maybe we bring our own life experiences into such circumstances and we are only able to see it from that point of view? Just wondering.

Perhaps. Initially, I believed GZ's story because I was attacked in a similar manner and his description rings true to me. (I have since been convinced that GZ is not guilty by the evidence, and lack of evidence on the state's side, produced at trial.) The sad thing is, because I experienced a similar attack, I would have been excluded from the jury. JMO. OMO. MOO.

 

[gracielee]

Until 1:45

Anything significant in the testimony I missed? Is this witness done testifying?

 

[UdbCrzy2]

I have never heard this before, but what exactly was GZ going to do when he got out of his truck and began looking for TM? Was he going to apprehend him or arrest him? What exactly was his purpose. IMO I really hate to see a bully with a gun.

 

[cityslick]

I have to differ with you- The judge last night stated that if there was evidence within the text message where the receiver of tm messages mentioned or refered to tm with his name then it could be proved.

Something like-- hey Trey whats up man- or something to that effect, BUT I believe the defense could possibly find some case law that would help change the judges mind. imo

There is actually precedent for this. I think (not sure so IMO) that Florida treats the owner as the one who sent the text/picture from a device unless it can be proven otherwise. But the defense is not even given the opportunity to present it.

Is this how it's going to be from now on? In the Aaron Hernandez case, can we auto assume now that someone else sent texts to and from his phone?

 

[qwerty2013]

A number of people on this forum discuss having witnessed fights, shootings, all kinds of violent things. Am I the only one who has never witnessed such violence? I live in a small town now, but I haven't always. I once lived in Washington DC and Philadelphia. Even there I never witnessed this kind of violence. I grant you it was many years ago, but still---never. I have never been abused, attacked, hit my head on the ground or floor or sidewalk. I once broke my arm but that was playing tennis and I fell.I've never broken the law and never even received a speeding ticket. I haven't smoked marijuana or used other illegal drugs. And my friends and family are more or less the same, except one of my nieces had a terrible automobile accident and was badly injured, but she recovered. No one in my family has ever been kidnapped or murdered.

So all of this is leading up to this question: Is it possible that I believe GZ is guilty because I have never seen a thing like this? I do believe GZ is not telling the truth about his encounter with TM and I believe TM unjustly lost his life. But maybe we bring our own life experiences into such circumstances and we are only able to see it from that point of view? Just wondering.

I've only ever witnessed bar brawls, and there's usually a lot of chasing, pulling, shoving and shouting, very little punching ever takes place, even though they are long-winded affairs compared to these 2 minutes. People tend to forget that these are *two* able-bodied males, and both are capable of inflicting injuries on the other. It isn't logical to suppose that somehow GZ was unable to fight back in any way. This is why I find it incredulous that GZ could fear for his life within 2 minutes, as he sustained very little injury to his person. IMO.:twocents: