George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #14 Friday July 12

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Lets imagine and think again.. Lets assume.. Lets not follow the evidence.. ARG.

 

[JeannaT]

hung jury means this starts all over right?

Maybe. Then it's up to the State to decide whether to retry the case.

IMHO

 

[iluvmua]

No. He is not presumed innocent when he already admitted to killing TM. He may be found guilty of manslaughter or found not guilty by reason of SD. Neither of those is "innocent". It is a fact that he killed TM.

Innocent until proven guilty. George has not been proven guilty.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

hung jury means this starts all over right?

Maybe. The state would more likely offer GZ a plea deal because their case is so weak. MOO.

 

[lisasalinger]

GZ had a "U" shaped mark on the back of his head that looked like an impression from the water meter cover. It is clear in one of the photos of his head and can be matched up with the photo of the water meter cover.

If that U definitively matched the water meter cover, don't you think the Prosecution would have presented that? BDLA showed the water meter cover in his closing and said something to the effect of, maybe the cover had something to do with the injuries. Maybe? That doesn't work for me if I'm a juror.

IMO

 

[JeannaT]

That's what I was thinking. They've already made up their minds. JMO. OMO. MOO.

I'm sure they have too. Whatever that decision may be.

Although they're not SUPPOSED to deliberate in their heads until the case rests, I don't think any human being can sit through that entire trial and not have made up their minds at this point.

IMHO

 

[wondering?]

IMO, the Prosecution is doing a great job, bringing out GZ lies and self serving statements but what is sad, no matter what is said is that a young man is dead for no reason.
George could not even admit that he wished things could have been done differently according to his own words in the interview with Hannity, "God's Will", "don't regret a thing"!

That tells the whole story right there!

IMO< IMHO!

 

[Zoe Bogart]

But if anyone has to.. god forbid..make certain between yelling for help you clearly state your name and position..JMO

This is too good to just hit the thanks button. :floorlaugh:

 

[defense101]

Well, for what it's worth, he had virtually NO supporters until the facts came out at trial.

IMHO

Then how did he manage to collect hundreds of thousands of dollars?

 

[bellaalex]

I definitely think TM's earbuds from his cellphone would still be in his ears. Heck, ideally he may have wanted to film the fight for youtube. IMO MOO

 

[glamourkitty1922]

I wonder how long the Jury will deliberate. I have to wonder if they all decide to acquit early on if they will return a quick response or feel obligated to wait out through the weekend so it doesn't seem so obvious. I mean if they decided in 2 hours would they feel a bit guilty returning the verdict that quick so they could be home tonight and enjoy the weekend?

IMO.

Also it will be VERY interesting to hear what they think when this is over ESPECIALLY if they discover all of the stuff that was NOT allowed into evidence about TM.

When I heard that the day the prosecution rested that the jury was dressed up, I thought that may mean they felt the case was going to be thrown out due to the lack of evidence.
MOO:twocents::twocents::moo::moo::moo::back::tyou:fftobed::ufo::websleuther:
I love the smilies!!!!!

 

[Snoods]

LOVE the "check innocent" statement.

IMO

One of the TH on WFTV said that the CA prosecutor Jeff Ashton knew the jury had come back with a Not Guilty verdict because the judge's eyes went straight down to the bottom of the verdict form. Now I'm going to be watching the judge's eyes like a hawk when she opens the jury verdict!

 

[cityslick]

Pediatricians see patients to age 21 and sometimes beyond that age, depending on problems they have followed for a long time, such as sickle cell anemia. A pediatric unit in a hospital will admit a person to age 21 on the peds unit.

If the tables were turned and TM was charged, he would be charged as an adult. I'm pretty sure nobody would think of him as a 'boy' or 'child'.

Just saying...

 

[JeannaT]

Pediatricians see patients to age 21 and sometimes beyond that age, depending on problems they have followed for a long time, such as sickle cell anemia. A pediatric unit in a hospital will admit a person to age 21 on the peds unit.

Not the practice we go to. I tried to get a vax done, and the pediatrician's office said it's time to refer him to the adult practice - my son was 17.

IMHO

 

[qwerty2013]

No, I believe you misunderstand something very important. Zimmerman is not assumed to be innocent, nor is it assumed that he is telling the truth.

Zimmerman killed an unarmed teen. He has admitted to doing so. Killing unarmed people is against the law. However, Zimmerman is claiming that he had no choice but to kill this kid, and that therefore he should be excused from the normal penalties that might apply.

Zimmerman is the one making this claim. It is his job to provide some evidence to justify his choices. The prosecution's job here is not to prove what happened, but to show that Zimmerman's version of events is not necessarily believable. Every questionable statement Zimmerman has made, every flaw in his various stories, the lack of any meaningful injuries, all these must be weighted by the jury. They are not weighting the prosecution's case -- as there is no question that Zimmerman pulled the trigger -- they are weighting Zimmerman's excuse.

The reason for this is simple. If the law did not work in this way, virtually any time a murder took place away from witnesses the defense could claim self-defense. Yes, I stopped the woman at gunpoint, but I never planned to kill her -- she grabbed for my gun! Prove me wrong! Yes, I followed this kid around with a gun, but I never planned to kill him -- he attacked me, he went for my gun! Prove me wrong!

See how that works? Zimmerman is the one making the claim, and it's a bloody big one. We have an unarmed dead teen, a teen who (by the defendant's own admission) was attempting to get away. Getting from that to "I had to kill him" is a mighty big leap, and Zimmerman's story has quite a few holes.

IMO

You nailed it! This sums up the crux of the trial that many seem to have missed, IMO.


:winner:

 

[lisasalinger]

New Jersey

Bruuuuuuuuuuuce

 

[UdbCrzy2]

When my kids reached that age, they no longer were allowed to see the pediatrician, and were referred to a Family practitioner. Because a 17 year old is not a child, and medically it's inappropriate to treat them like that.

They have become adults, in the eyes of the medical community.

IMHO

I know the MD that we see will not treat any children even if those children are 17-years old. You cannot even vote at 17 or buy alcohol, not sure about cigarettes though. I also think that some states won't issue driver's licenses, but will issue a permit.

 

[Moonie]

GZ stopped yelling because he stopped the threat. MOO.

But according to GZ he did not immediately know he had shot TM? That's what GZ said.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Pediatricians see patients to age 21 and sometimes beyond that age, depending on problems they have followed for a long time, such as sickle cell anemia. A pediatric unit in a hospital will admit a person to age 21 on the peds unit.

A person is an adult at 18. NOt 21.

 

[JeannaT]

Then how did he manage to collect hundreds of thousands of dollars?

That's what "virtually no" means. The media certainly didn't DARE act like he might be innocent, and those who were witnesses had to move out of the complex.

Virtually no support, not absolutely no support.

IMHO