George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #14 Friday July 12

[bellaalex]

His face immediately after looks pretty bad to me.
http://www.examiner.com/article/video-new-photo-of-george-zimmerman-release-after-fight-with-trayvon-martin

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Food for thought... Some may see this, some may not... but food for thought anyway:

In your own neighborhood, for whatever your own reasons, you and your husband or boyfriend see somebody outside who seems suspicious...

How many of your husbands/boyfriends would go outside to investigate, and possibly bring something with them (golf club, bat, etc). Just curious.

Going to investigate someone or something that YOU deem suspicious is not the craziest concept in the world. I've heard noises before and have grabbed a coat hanger to go investigate. Probably smarter to stay locked in my bedroom. But I still went to look because I wanted to know what was up.

Food for thought.

IMO

:twocents: IF I see someone suspicious on "my turf" I'm going to investigate immediately ...

I strongly support the RIGHT to defend myself ... and usually, when "something happens," LE is usually not around to see it ...

JMO but IF I'm in danger, I'm going to do what I have to do to defend myself AND defend myself with a weapon of MY choice ... I'm not going to wait for LE to show up because I could be "gone" by that time ...

IN MY OPINION ... MOO ... JMO !

:moo:

 

[EGirl]

That picture does not show someone being punched multiple times in the nose, it just doesn't. I see a small scratch and this is right after the incident, cleaned up.


Opps, pic didn't come through that I was refereeing to

That wasn't the question. No logical way for recoil to hit GZ in the nose. Not in the position they were in.


He was on the ground. The blood in his nose at that point would have ran down his throat until he stood up.

Lind to all the punches being to the nose?

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV

Sybrina Fulton walked out when the defense showed how the state showed them Martin's autopsy photos to elicit sympathy

IMO

 

[logicalgirl]

I thanked your post because you bring up an interesting point. So was GZ's blood found on the gun? Residue found on his face? Part of the testimony?


Or, is this far fetched conjecture?

IMO

His face wasn't tested. No question he fired the gun.

IMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The State has to prove Manslaughter....or Murder

IMO

They charged him with murder. They have to prove that. They charged him with MS after their case was under way.. Says a lot to me..

But yes.. they have the burden to prove that to.

 

[sacrablue]

Use your brains. If you get in a fist fight and you get tired, hurt or bored and you carry a gun you just pull it out and kill the other person. What's the big deal? IMO

 

[rose222]

So let me get this straight. "MAYBE Martin was defending his life by punching Zimmerman." MAYBE that's what happened so let us convict Zimmerman of murder.

Yikes to this way of thinking.

imo.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

LOVE the "check innocent" statement.

IMO

 

[sorrell skye]

No they don't. You may want to research this.

The defense has to prove nothing.

This is a problem with the American public, a lack of knowledge of where the burden of proof falls in the court room. It falls entirely on the state.

IMHO

BBM

This is exactly why, IMO, Mr. O'Mara spent time this morning explaining to the jury who has the burden of proof. Even though many of us here know this legal fact due to trial watching, it can't be left to chance that every juror understands it. Some people may find it "boring" to listen to it, but I find it to be a crucial part of any defense's closing, because it hopefully helps to ensure that the verdict is based on the law.

A just verdict is based upon evidence and upon the law.

 

[Perthgirl62]

No. It is aggression and assault.

So, let me get this straight. I attack my neighbor, neighbor overpowers me and pounds my head with the only weapon he has, his hands because he fears for his life, and I am in the right shooting him because when he feared for his life and aggressively repelled me, I then feared for my life. Like I said previously, Merry-go-round. IMO

 

[logicalgirl]

:twocents: IF I see someone suspicious on "my turf" I'm going to investigate immediately ...

I strongly support the RIGHT to defend myself ... and usually, when "something happens," LE is usually not around to see it ...

JMO but IF I'm in danger, I'm going to do what I have to do to defend myself AND defend myself with a weapon of MY choice ... I'm not going to wait for LE to show up because I could be "gone" by that time ...

IN MY OPINION ... MOO ... JMO !

:moo:

And if it is just an innocent person walking home from the store to his home - then what?:moo: IMO

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV

It's possible once there's a verdict. time will be given to law enforcement to put its plan in place before we know it. #Zimmermanon9

IMO

 

[defense101]

IT DOES NOT MATTER.

YES. AS A RESPONSE TO STATE CHARGES.

Once they charge you the STATE has to prove the charges. GZ does not have to prove anything. The STATE has to prove their case beyond ALL reasonable doubt.

That is the law.

Yes Yes Yes, but if he is claiming self defense they put on evidence to support their claim is this not correct?

 

[glamourkitty1922]

I just can't believe Zimmerman was in fear of his life. That's my problem with accepting self-defense, and that for me is beyond a reasonable doubt. The bumps could have partly the shape of his head and there was still no bruising (interesting he has grown his hair now!), head wounds are vascualar so they bleed easily and yes he had a broken nose but that's it. He had no other bruises or injuries. That just can't constitute someone being in fear of his life.

Maybe in some ways my thinking is leftover from the JA case. However yes her case for self-defense was ridiculous, we (almost) all know that. And yes Zimmerman had *some* injuries but that's it....

I can't buy the self-defense and that's beyond a reasonable doubt for me which is why I think Zimmerman has to be guilty of something. Zimmerman was out to find Trayvon - he wasn't going to let this one get away IMO.

Btw, MOM's argument is better than the Bernie's IMO. Bernie was just too aggressive. I want Mantei to do rebuttal.

In any event, RIP Trayvon.

If someone was bashing my face in I would be in fear of my life. I would think most people would. IMO :twocents::twocents::twocents:

 

[FrayedKnot]

<modsnip>..... You do not have to allow some to cause you life threatening injuries before you defend yourself. The fact that they are attacking you is reason to stop the attack immediately. Not wait for MORE injuries.

So then it's possible that if TM was assaulting GZ, that TM was acting in self defense since GZ had a gun and was the initiator of the whole encounter? So then TM was killed while trying to stop his attacker, only he had to use his hands since he wasn't packing. well, then, case closed. It's a wash except for TM being dead. MOO

 

[rose222]

So, let me get this straight. I attack my neighbor, neighbor overpowers me and pounds my head with the only weapon he has, his hands because he fears for his life, and I am in the right shooting him because when he feared for his life and aggressively repelled me, I then feared for my life. Like I said previously, Merry-go-round. IMO

If it's a merry-go-round and we are not sure who started the attack then the law will dictate an acquittal.

 

[NotMyselfNEMore]

In my opinion, GZ would not have to be a 'criminal mastermind' to say he screamed 'help' - he knew there had been screams that were heard, by all the neighbors emerging. He also knew that TM. the only other person who could say was not moving, no longer being treated by LE or EMT, and had been placed under a tarp.

Knowing that, I believe he would have said he had screamed to explain the noise right away - whether or not he had screamed himself, and not necessarily thinking through the logic - not as a master planner, but to justify the shot he fired - in my opinion.

IMO, only but I read in the emt report (from a link on the documents page here), that attempts to revive TM had been attempted, stopped, and TM was pronounced dead before they treated GZ (which they did, documented his injuries, offered transport to the ER).
While it could be possible that GZ did not know exactly when TM had been pronounced dead, in my opinion he would be fairly certain TM was dead- asking the officer, and seeming surprised isn't evidence of anything - IMO. MOO

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Kathi Belich, WFTV &#8207;@KBelichWFTV 15m
The jury is still very engaged almost 3 hours later. #Zimmermanon9

IMO

 

[bellaalex]

I like when Mark OM says "REALLY?" in exasperation.