George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #14 Friday July 12

[?noanswer]

I thought the heart pumped one's blood and your brain is the organ that thinks and controls one's action and emotions.

JMO

 

[EGirl]

I just can't watch any more trials for a long time, even though there are so many interesting ones coming. After this one, I'll have to check into WS at night to visit, but you guys might hook me.

LOL we've all said that! You'll be back. It's just too hard to turn away.

:seeya:

 

[kimlynn]

Especially the ones where zimmerman told him he confronted Trayvon and went back I'll bet.

I thought it was interesting to hear yesterday (in one of the Zimmerman interview) GZ said he went toward Martin on the T.

IMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

There is no evidence of fear from TM.

Here we go with the feelings again.. Imagine, Feel, Emote.. Don't look at the evidence.

 

[rose222]

I'd like to believe that I am a compassionate girl and care very much about my fellow beings but after this case I doubt I'll want to be part of any neighbourhood watch. And God help me if I have to use force to defend myself.

Imo.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

MOM did not talk about lesser charges??

If it's self-defense for one charge, it's self-defense for both.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

Especially the ones where zimmerman told him he confronted Trayvon and went back I'll bet.

You would have to ask the detective that one. He testified that he believed Zimmerman, so how can anyone disbelieve it?
:twocents:MOO

 

[wonders]

Still waiting for evidence that proves GZ started the fight....

Once again!
GZ did start this altercation that ended up in cold blooded murder.

And I Quote
"WE DON'T NEED YOU TO DO THAT"
Not once but TWICE.
Please tell me what is so un-understandable about that. IN MY OPINION

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

No, but her testimony gives the impression that GZ started the altercation. Whether or not Trayvon threw the first punch, if he did it in reaction to GZ attacking him or grabbing him or something like that then it is self defense. IMO. There's no way of truly knowing who started it. There's no evidence of either event being true other than the words of GZ and RJ.

No it doesn't. TM spoke first.

 

[cityslick]

Back to emotion.

When you got know evidence, it's only emotion. In a way I don't blame the state, this is what they were handed.

 

[ShadyLady]

OMG...can't believe this...PURE EMOTION!!

IMO.

 

[katiewonders]

Though I walk through the valley of darkness I fear no evil because I'm the meanest __ in the valley! IMO

 

[iluvmua]

here we go again.... calling a full grown young man a child.

might as well show pictures of Trayvon when he was 10.

JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

He's get laughed out of the courtroom, because that is not legally correct.

I wish a lawyer was in here, maybe folks would listen to them about this.

I'm shocked its not necessary for Zimmerman to take the stand in a self defense case. It's unheard of where I come from.

 

[MeeBee]

No it doesn't. TM spoke first.

Physical altercation. IMO. Does "why are you following me?" give way for George to put his hands on Trayvon first if he in fact did? Absolutely not.

 

[ShadyLady]

YOU can bet those texts and emails prosecution managed to keep out speak VOLUMES.

IMO

 

[katiewonders]

Why are they not breaking for lunch? I would think the jury would be hungry.

IMHO

The jury wants to shoulder on.

 

[JeannaT]

No, I believe you misunderstand something very important. Zimmerman is not assumed to be innocent, nor is it assumed that he is telling the truth.

Zimmerman killed an unarmed teen. He has admitted to doing so. Killing unarmed people is against the law. However, Zimmerman is claiming that he had no choice but to kill this kid, and that therefore he should be excused from the normal penalties that might apply.

Zimmerman is the one making this claim. It is his job to provide some evidence to justify his choices. The prosecution's job here is not to prove what happened, but to show that Zimmerman's version of events is not necessarily believable. Every questionable statement Zimmerman has made, every flaw in his various stories, the lack of any meaningful injuries, all these must be weighted by the jury. They are not weighting the prosecution's case -- as there is no question that Zimmerman pulled the trigger -- they are weighting Zimmerman's excuse.

The reason for this is simple. If the law did not work in this way, virtually any time a murder took place away from witnesses the defense could claim self-defense. Yes, I stopped the woman at gunpoint, but I never planned to kill her -- she grabbed for my gun! Prove me wrong! Yes, I followed this kid around with a gun, but I never planned to kill him -- he attacked me, he went for my gun! Prove me wrong!

See how that works? Zimmerman is the one making the claim, and it's a bloody big one. We have an unarmed dead teen, a teen who (by the defendant's own admission) was attempting to get away. Getting from that to "I had to kill him" is a mighty big leap, and Zimmerman's story has quite a few holes.

IMO

YES he is presumed innocent! Yes, he is! This is where so many people don't understand how the court works in the United States.

It's literally called, "presumption of innocence" and it's the cornerstone of our justice system. He is presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of law.

IMHO and probably you might want to research this. It's the stuff we all learned in 6th grade civics. The defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

 

[AngelWings444]

Link please?

I put a :twocents: at the end of my post because I am watching the closings right now. It was all over the news last night. I was watching CNN and HLN (not for very long). Please use google until I find a link. Thanks. JMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I'm shocked its not necessary for Zimmerman to take the stand in a self defense case. It's unheard of where I come from.

IT is not a self defense case. It is a murder case. The state has to prove murder.

Self defense is his stance and defense to the charges.. Not the other way around.