George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General discussion #2

[Shelby1]

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[SilkySifaka]

OT: I am heading off to hear the results of my Brain MRI... It has been six years cancer free, but these days haven't gotten any easier. Keep me in your thoughts

Good luck!! Will be thinking of you.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

There is no evidence TM was hiding watching GZ while there is ample evidence GZ was watching and following TM

Well where was he? This is where we have to think. If he was out of GZ eye line and disappeared while he was on the phone, And was continuing to walk home, He would have been home by the time GZ hung up.

So he had to be hiding somewhere. To me this could be lying in wait. Right now, That seems most plausible.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

ot: I am heading off to hear the results of my brain mri... It has been six years cancer free, but these days haven't gotten any easier. Keep me in your thoughts

prayers for you today!

 

[carnnell]

George was the only one on patrol because nobody else would volunteer. This is why he is the only one patrolling the neighboorhood.

There is no evidence to suggest that GZ got a kick out of being the only person on neighboorhood watch.

trying to find a link.

I didn't suggest he was kicked out of Neighborhood Watch. I didn't state he was kicked out. I merely stated he was the only one "patrolling" which is a very dangerous endeavor to do and the consequences have shown that he ultimately shot a young boy walking home. The trial is determine 2nd murder or self-defense. Yet, the bottom line he still shot a young boy.

JMHO

 

[SilkySifaka]

Then why was he found 70 yards away north of his destination which was TM's father's GF house?

Where did he go when GZ was on the phone? He could have made it home.

He could have been enjoying the fresh air, taking a walkabout, loads of things. It doesn't matter, he had every right to be in the neighborhood. So far i know of no HOA that insists you sign in the door and never leave it except by car to hustle out of the neighborhood.

He could have (and imo was) scared about leading some unusual person to his house. I would have been. George never spoke out, said NW, gave him a warning,asked what he was doing but just followed him like someone up to no good. The only suspicious character i see is GZ

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I didn't suggest he was kicked out of Neighborhood Watch. I didn't state he was kicked out. I merely stated he was the only one "patrolling" which is a very dangerous endeavor to do and the consequences have shown that he ultimately shot a young boy walking home. The trial is determine 2nd murder or self-defense. Yet, the bottom line he still shot a young boy.

JMHO

He was not a young boy. He was almost an adult.

 

[tinkabella]

Well where was he? This is where we have to think. If he was out of GZ eye line and disappeared while he was on the phone, And was continuing to walk home, He would have been home by the time GZ hung up.

So he had to be hiding somewhere. To me this could be lying in wait. Right now, That seems most plausible.

Thats GEORGE's version that he lost sight of Trayvon There is NO evidence to show that this is true yet its being stated as the gospel truth. for all you know george never lost sight of trayvon and never stopped following him.

 

[Schuby]

He could have been enjoying the fresh air, taking a walkabout, loads of things. It doesn't matter, he had every right to be in the neighborhood. So far i know of no HOA that insists you sign in the door and never leave it except by car to hustle out of the neighborhood.

He could have (and imo was) scared about leading some unusual person to his house. I would have been. George never spoke out, said NW, gave him a warning,asked what he was doing but just followed him like someone up to no good. The only suspicious character i see is GZ

But don't we know that TM decided to confront GZ based on his phone conversation with his female friend immediately before?

 

[tinkabella]

He was not a young boy. He was almost an adult.

It doesn't matter if he was almost an adult, he just turned 17. He was a child. There is no ifs and buts about that, he's still a child. SOMEONE's child.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Thats GEORGE's version that he lost sight of Trayvon There is NO evidence to show that this is true yet its being stated as the gospel truth. for all you know george never lost sight of trayvon and never stopped following him.

On the phone he says to 911, " I don't know where he went."

He is reporting that he is out of his sight already at that point. He would have no reason at all to lie. None.

 

[Karmady]

Really, To me it does not matter why he got the gun.

But I live near Philly where Police have had to shoot pit bulls over and over to get them to stop attacking. Not all pit bulls but there are some that are raised in the city by Drug dealers to be aggressive. They will not stop coming. They will attack and keep attacking.

Since we don't have someone on record from the county saying it and will most likely never know who may have said it, I will agree, It is hearsay but nevertheless, Why he bought the gun is not relevant to the case. It is not someone who went out and bought one 2 days before and shot someone. He was responsible. He took the course. He had a legal fire arm and he had every right to have one.

Just putting it in perspective, the issue came up because the OP said that the prosecution said, as fact, that George bought a gun to kill a dog. Wonder what kind of non-hearsay evidence the State has to support that statement. Assuming that's what was said in the opening statement. I didn't hear it myself.

 

[tinkabella]

But don't we know that TM decided to confront GZ based on his phone conversation with his female friend immediately before?

No we know that trayvon asked him why are you following me, by that point george could've been right behind him. Thats not being confrontational.

 

[raine1212]

Get back on Topic.. Enough discussing TM age.. Everyone here knows how old he was. TIA

 

[Words2Serve]

Jurors are instructed to use their common sense in the jury room too.

If their is a divide in common sense among the 6 women, that could be one interesting deliberation

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

It doesn't matter if he was almost an adult, he just turned 17. He was a child. There is no ifs and buts about that, he's still a child. SOMEONE's child.

He was not a child. I was not a child at 17. I was a young Adult. I could drive. I was given legal responsibilities. That is not a child.

HE was indeed his parents child but there is no way I would look at that picture of him in 7-11 and think.. "child"

 

[ohiogirl]

Well where was he? This is where we have to think. If he was out of GZ eye line and disappeared while he was on the phone, And was continuing to walk home, He would have been home by the time GZ hung up.

So he had to be hiding somewhere. To me this could be lying in wait. Right now, That seems most plausible.

Or he could have been standing under cover, out of the rain, talking on the phone. We don't know.

 

[iluvmua]

Thats GEORGE's version that he lost sight of Trayvon There is NO evidence to show that this is true yet its being stated as the gospel truth. for all you know george never lost sight of trayvon and never stopped following him.

go online and read all the evidence, ALL the evidence shows what George has been saying all along is true.

If that's the truth then why was he not immediately arrested and charged with murder? because all the facts of this case fit with what he says happened.

 

[SilkySifaka]

He was not a child. I was not a child at 17. I was a young Adult. I could drive. I was given legal responsibilities. That is not a child.

HE was indeed his parents child but there is no way I would look at that picture of him in 7-11 and think.. "child"

He was a minor child. As tinkabella said, no if's ands or buts. I saw a child at the 7-11. He barely turned 17

 

[Schuby]

No we know that trayvon asked him why are you following me, by that point george could've been right behind him. Thats not being confrontational.

I didn't mean confront him aggressively, but actually, yes, saying "why are you following me?," is a confrontation.