George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General discussion #4

[Lovelymountains]

Why thank you muchly!! Charmed to hear it, Lovelymountains!! :rockon:
You know one of those young Princes was just a bit younger than Trayvon was when he was brutally murdered.

Yes. Sad. It's so sad that Trayvon will never reach his full potential. It could have been just an ordinary life or it could have been extraordinary. It was taken away from him on, IMO, a whim.

 

[m00c0w]

I had no trouble understanding this young woman's English. Are you saying you honestly couldn't decipher what she was uttering as English? Is there any legitimate doubt that she understands and can speak the English language? Seriously?

I'm from Atlanta and... and I don't mean this in a racial way (I feel sad that I even have to preface it with that), but "urban youths" do have a dialect they follow. I know several people that would not be able to understand her. My mom could, because she's a teacher and interacts with children that speak with this dialect most of her workday. I can, because I grew up around it. My dad, however, cannot since he has not been as exposed to it. I can think of a few others that would not be able to because of a lack of exposure.

I don't doubt one bit that some people have issues comprehending what she was saying, yet I do believe she can speak her dialect of English fluently and understand at least basic English fluently.

 

[m00c0w]

I haven't been convicted of them either. Oh wait, I haven't ever been charged with them, either. I think it's entirely reasonable to point out that kind of information -- on both sides.

An act of violence (that was decreased to a non-violent conviction, mind you) over six years prior to the event in question isn't exactly relevant.

:moo:

 

[Sleuth5]

12 years in USA and speak no English.

To whom are you referring? I haven't had to use a translator yet in this trial.

 

[TorisMom003]

The report:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/99022693/George-Zimmerman-Medical-Report

Thank you for posting the link to this report. It really showcases at least one of Zimmerman's lies.

I have transcribed what the report says to showcase this lie here.

Page 1 Plan
1. Scalp Lacerations: No sutures needed given the well-approximated skin margins. Continue to clean with soap and water daily. We discussed the red flag symptoms that would warrant imaging given the type of assault he sustained. Given the type of trauma, we discussed that it is important he be seen with his Psychologist for evaluation.

2. Broken Nose: We discussed that it is likely broken, but does not appear to have septal deviation. The swelling and black eyes are typical of this injury. I recommended that he be evaluated by ENT but he refused.

History of Present Illness:
Presents today complaining of nasal pain. Patient was involved in an altercation on 2/26. During the altercation he was assaulted, punched in the face, and shoved to the ground where his head was hit into the pavement multiple times. During the altercation, he had a weapon as he is authorized to carry a firearm and he fired at the attacker, killing him. He was evaluated by EMS and states his lacerations were cleaned. He was told that he had a broken nose and denies being taken to the hospital. He then returned to work and was told he needed a police report and medical clearance to return to work. He denies HA, change in VA, slurred speech, dizziness or gait abnormality. Admits to occasional nausea when thinking about the violence last night, but denies abdominal pain. Also complaining of left S1 joint tenderness since the event. Denies numbness/tingling or incontinence.

Now in the walk through video Zimmerman is recorded saying that his Dr told him his nose was broken, septam deviated and that he needed one or two stitches in the back of his head. The above proves this to be a lie based on the bolding I did. The blue part, done by me, shows that Zimmerman was apparently not truly concerned with his "broken nose" since he refused to do the visit with the ENT (Ear, Nose and Throat Dr).

Does anyone know of the link to the EMT or EMS report that was done on Zimmerman the night of the shooting? I have not been able to locate it on the internet. Thank you in advance.

 

[m00c0w]

Sorry but I did provide absolute proof in my next post and or Edit
ALL of his TM's accounts were hacked ...and I did provide ALL the links..you can see it all in my posting

The filthy Supremist didn'
tmiss one single account!!
http://gawker.com/5897485/white-sup...n-martins-email-account-leaks-messages-online

The posts to his Twitter were made before his death.

And I addressed this before you had made such edits.

 

[Karmady]

I'm from Atlanta and... and I don't mean this in a racial way (I feel sad that I even have to preface it with that), but "urban youths" do have a dialect they follow. I know several people that would not be able to understand her. My mom could, because she's a teacher and interacts with children that speak with this dialect most of her workday. I can, because I grew up around it. My dad, however, cannot since he has not been as exposed to it. I can think of a few others that would not be able to because of a lack of exposure.

I don't doubt one bit that some people have issues comprehending what she was saying, yet I do believe she can speak her dialect of English fluently and understand at least basic English fluently.

Seriously. It wasn't just her "dialect" if that's what that is. It was her entire manner of speaking. EVERYONE in the courtroom, including the Judge and the court reporter had a lot of trouble understanding her. Honestly, it's the first time I've ever seen video, transcribed and live versions of testimony about exactly the same words have to be submitted into evidence and leave it up to the jury to decide what the witness actually said.

 

[Mollyandme]

Why wouldn't he just get up, then? Being on top is a position of dominance. It's not like he couldn't just... get up and leave...

oh i agree. i personally think he was on top of george i was just throwing out a possible scenario since so many are convinced the screams were trayvons

 

[Mollyandme]

Ok, Why would Trayvon be screaming for help if it is he that has George on the ground and he's beating him on the sidewalk?

JMO

i agree completely. just throwing something out there for all those who are convinced it was trayvon screaming

 

[deelytful1]

Just a thought and forgive me if this has been discussed... has GZ attempted to re-create the screams heard on the 911 tape? I mean if it were me and it meant my freedom, I would do it to prove I was the one in dire distress that night....
I just heard the call after a very long time of staying away from this disturbing case and it once again brought chills to my spine and a tear to my eye....
Would something like this not hold up in court?

 

[LinasK]

Ok, Why would Trayvon be screaming for help if it is he that has George on the ground and he's beating him on the sidewalk?

JMO

You just made the opposite case- Trayvon was screaming, therefore he didn't have George on the ground and beating him on the sidewalk!!

 

[Sleuth5]

Why didn't they interview the other witness in Creole Haitian language ?

You know, that's an excellent point. There is really no reason why we cannot solicit evidence using any translation necessary. There are such things as court certified translators, they're used all the time. Makes no sense for us, in a country founded and populated by immigrants, to be so reluctant to engage other languages or to have discussions about them as though they are some foreign menace. A very large percentage of Americans can trace English as a primary language back only a few generations.

 

[corundogs]

Pulled him back 700ft to the north??

Popsicle...it was not 700 feet from the girlfriend's unit to where this happened.

If I am remembering correctly, it was 70 yards.

That is a HUGE difference. LOL!!

I am not actually responding to your actual post, cause I don't think Trayvon was dragged anywhere.

But I think you have used this 700 feet before, and I just wanted to point that out.

 

[William N]

At this point, there is no other conclusion. TM could have easily gone straight to the apartment. Instead, he doubled back and jumped GZ, starting with a sucker punch. With GZ down, TN began to slam Zimmerman's head against the sidewalk. GZ managed to bring out his gun and shot TM dead.

It was self-defense, which is what the original police and prosecutors examining the evidence decided. The defense case will present further evidence to bolster the known facts.

I wonder if there would have been national coverage if Martin had succeeded in beating Zimmerman to death.

 

[Melanie]

Now I'm all kinds of confused. The neighbor (speaking spanish) mentioned that the guy on top had a decorated jacket. Okay, I'm going to say that's GZ because TM didn't have a decorated red and black jacket.

So if GZ is on top of him, and shoots him -- then how does TM end up on his stomach? I'm going by the testimony of the officer who said he rolled him over.

Wouldn't TM be on top, then GZ shoots, for TM to end up on his stomach?

Thanks, and my apologies if this has been asked and answered. I haven't really posted on this thread much.

MOO

Mel

 

[m00c0w]

Thank you for posting the link to this report. It really showcases at least one of Zimmerman's lies.

I have transcribed what the report says to showcase this lie here.

Page 1 Plan
1. Scalp Lacerations: No sutures needed given the well-approximated skin margins. Continue to clean with soap and water daily. We discussed the red flag symptoms that would warrant imaging given the type of assault he sustained. Given the type of trauma, we discussed that it is important he be seen with his Psychologist for evaluation.

2. Broken Nose: We discussed that it is likely broken, but does not appear to have septal deviation. The swelling and black eyes are typical of this injury. I recommended that he be evaluated by ENT but he refused.

History of Present Illness:
Presents today complaining of nasal pain. Patient was involved in an altercation on 2/26. During the altercation he was assaulted, punched in the face, and shoved to the ground where his head was hit into the pavement multiple times. During the altercation, he had a weapon as he is authorized to carry a firearm and he fired at the attacker, killing him. He was evaluated by EMS and states his lacerations were cleaned. He was told that he had a broken nose and denies being taken to the hospital. He then returned to work and was told he needed a police report and medical clearance to return to work. He denies HA, change in VA, slurred speech, dizziness or gait abnormality. Admits to occasional nausea when thinking about the violence last night, but denies abdominal pain. Also complaining of left S1 joint tenderness since the event. Denies numbness/tingling or incontinence.

Now in the walk through video Zimmerman is recorded saying that his Dr told him his nose was broken, septam deviated and that he needed one or two stitches in the back of his head. The above proves this to be a lie based on the bolding I did. The blue part, done by me, shows that Zimmerman was apparently not truly concerned with his "broken nose" since he refused to do the visit with the ENT (Ear, Nose and Throat Dr).

Does anyone know of the link to the EMT or EMS report that was done on Zimmerman the night of the shooting? I have not been able to locate it on the internet. Thank you in advance.

Emphasis mine.

Investigator: "What did the doctor say as far as injuries?"
Zimmerman: "That I have a broken nose, uh, she said I could use stitches but she'd rather not put them in, um, as long as I didn't mess with my head. Skin was already healing nicely. She said she didn't have to put stitches in right away."
I: "Was this the emergency room or primary care?"
Z: "Primary care."
I: [inaudble]... "or anything?"
Z: "Uh, medicine and she gave me a referral for an ENT because uh, because she said that the swelling wouldn't let them do anything to my nose right now, but once the swelling went down if I had a deviated septum or disfigured septum, they would be able to fix it but there's nothing they could do right now."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_2NeMrGCvg#t=16m30s

That is a mischaracterization of what he said, and what he actually says aligns with the medical report.

 

[faw720]

To whom are you referring? I haven't had to use a translator yet in this trial.

Think they are refering to the woman now on the witness stand who is testifying through a Spanish translator. She lived in the housing complex. She is also a graduate of an university in Columbia but does not feel comfortable testifying in English.

 

[Mollyandme]

didn't rachel testify to the fact that she heard trayvon ask george "why were you following me?" which would imply that he went back to seek out george to ask him that question? someone please correct me if i'm wrong! i've been chasing a 2 year old around all day so i missed parts, trying to catch up on here. sorry in advance if i'm misstating something

 

[iluvmua]

Just a thought and forgive me if this has been discussed... has GZ attempted to re-create the screams heard on the 911 tape? I mean if it were me and it meant my freedom, I would do it to prove I was the one in dire distress that night....
I just heard the call after a very long time of staying away from this disturbing case and it once again brought chills to my spine and a tear to my eye....
Would something like this not hold up in court?

Yes, they gave his a voice stress test and he passed.

The state wants it thrown out of evidence.

http://www.wesh.com/news/central-fl...out/-/14266478/20293856/-/86gvao/-/index.html

 

[TorisMom003]

Emphasis mine.

Investigator: "What did the doctor say as far as injuries?"
Zimmerman: "That I have a broken nose, uh, she said I could use stitches but she'd rather not put them in, um, as long as I didn't mess with my head. Skin was already healing nicely. She said she didn't have to put stitches in right away."
I: "Was this the emergency room or primary care?"
Z: "Primary care."
I: [inaudble]... "or anything?"
Z: "Uh, medicine and she gave me a referral for an ENT because uh, because she said that the swelling wouldn't let them do anything to my nose right now, but once the swelling went down if I had a deviated septum or disfigured septum, they would be able to fix it but there's nothing they could do right now."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_2NeMrGCvg#t=16m30s

That is a mischaracterization of what he said, and what he actually says aligns with the medical report.

Then it must have been in the interview at the police station after the walk through was finished when Zimmerman had the "voice stress test" done. He did in fact say that not only his dr told him that his nose was broken, he needed one or two stitches and that his septum was deviated he also said that the EMTs from the night before told him the same thing. My mistake on which video he actually said this.

His dr said that his nose was LIKELY broken, there was NOT a deviated septum and that he did NOT need stitches.