George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General discussion #5

[jjenny]

Actually, there was a young mom in Oklahoma who did just that and the dispatcher said she couldn't tell her it was okay to shoot him. The dispatcher did tell her to do what was necessary to protect her 3 month old from the intruder and the mom did shoot him.

I am talking about TX specifically. Recently a guy shot an escort in TX because he gave her money yet she didn't have sex with him. He was found not guilty.
Sounds like in TX you can pretty much shoot anything that moves if that anything is trying to take your property or represents any danger to you.

 

[PaperDoll]

This witness is a good one, I believe what he is saying, but as someone pointed out in a previous post, it's funny how some of these witnesses can't testify to all the "screaming" in the 911 call. Calling out for help they heard, but not the screaming.

 

[missmazzy]

I would be scared to death and also would make every effort that I could to get away. If I had access to a cell phone I would call 911. I sure would not be on a cell phone relaying what happened to another person.

JMO

But how many of us are 17 year old boys? Most kids that age have no fear. Ah...the good old days when we all thought we were immortal.

 

[JudyBolton]

Actually his initial deposition is the most damning to the state. At least that's what I thought when I first read it.

According to reports - since he gave that statement he has been harassed and threatened to the point that he moved away.....he is a reluctant witness as has been pointed out.

 

[faw720]

I think the variances (all slight) IMO are easily explained and this goes for GZ's, RJ's, and the witnesses. High stress situations can cause you sometimes to not remember things exactly as they happen but as you perceive them in the moment. Also as time elapses and you process through your trauma you can often remember more as a victim and maybe less as a witness, etc.

This was my own personal experience from being involved in a crime. That night when the police came the only thing I could tell them honestly was the guy had a gun because for a few days that was all I could see and remember when closing my eyes. However within a few days as I processed through the trauma I could certainly remember much more about the event.

I don't see these slight differences as helping or hurting either side honestly because from my own experience I expect it to be slightly different and also evolving.

IMOO

Very good point!

 

[Karmady]

But how many of us are 17 year old boys? Most kids that age have no fear. Ah...the good old days when we all thought we were immortal.

And Trayon was raised in Miami Gardens, not Mayberry. I don't think he was scared of George at all.

 

[Just K]

Actually his initial deposition is the most damning to the state. At least that's what I thought when I first read it.

Yes and that is why I find him to not be credible...story has been embellished, retracted and now embellished here again today. In his first TV interview he was very full of bravado, IMO.

 

[cityslick]

But how many of us are 17 year old boys? Most kids that age have no fear. Ah...the good old days when we all thought we were immortal.

That's fine, but that's is the complete opposite of being scared then. If you are not in fear, how are you scared?

 

[Lovelymountains]

And we can't ask Trayvon the question. However, Rachel said he said GZ was following him.

Would you be afraid if you were walking by yourself in the dark and a stranger kept following and staring at you, both by car then by foot? This is a sincere question. I would.

Yes, I would. We have heard cases where women are kidnapped in just this way and later murdered. I remember that woman near Atlanta being kidnapped like this and her pleading, "Don't take me," which was recorded on her cell phone. I would be deathly frightened. No one should approach another in the dark and demand to know what they are doing. Period.

 

[mom23gr8kids]

But how many of us are 17 year old boys? Most kids that age have no fear. Ah...the good old days when we all thought we were immortal.

And this is EXACTLY why I don't believe that part of RJ's testimony. No 17 year old guy I know would let himself be seen or heard showing fear and most certainly not to a girl. I believe this fearlessness is what led the altercation to happen. JMO

 

[DIBSY]

Thank you Dibsy. I googled for a picture, and she was the one from Colombia with the translator.

You are very welcome. Chester-from-THM ! Now I changed puters and can give the link instead of the IMO etc....

George Zimmerman Witness Put Him on Top of Trayvon Martin Before Fatal Shot

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-witness-put-top-trayvon-martin-fatal/story?id=19517236

Nancy Grace found this to be crucial evidence.
Couldn't agree more. Yes, she is a very succinct witness.:moo:

 

[sacrablue]

No he was not told to stop. You can continue to repeat this misinformation until you are Sacrablue in the face and it STILL won't make it true.

So ignore the 911 recommendations. Just agree with them and continue doing whatever you want. Sounds reasonable to me though I would never do it.

 

[?noanswer]

Unless the State does a recross and discounts some of his testimony, then it appears to me that it was a mistake for the State to put him on the stand. Maybe they wanted to beat the defense to putting him on as their witness.

JMO

 

[cityslick]

Yes and that is why I find him to not be credible...story has been embellished, retracted and now embellished here again today. In his first TV interview he was very full of bravado, IMO.

Well, in that scenario, wouldn't you say the first version is usually the most accurate or as close to what actually happened? What is his motivation to make things up initially?

 

[missmazzy]

That's fine, but that's is the complete opposite of being scared then. If you are not in fear, how are you scared?

I don't think TM was afraid. I said "I " would have been.

 

[Just K]

M O'M is holding another photo not yet in evidence...he makes a habit of this.

 

[jjenny]

Unless the State does a recross and discounts some of his testimony, then it appears to me that it was a mistake for the State to put him on the stand.

JMO

It's a preemptive strike. If state didn't put him on the stand, defense was going to.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

And Trayon was raised in Miami Gardens, not Mayberry. I don't think he was scared of George at all.

Everything points to TM being mad that some creepy cracker dared to follow or question him. jmo

 

[cityslick]

So ignore the 911 recommendations. Just agree with them and continue doing whatever you want. Sounds reasonable to me though I would never do it.

He never called 911. But just to humor, if you call 911 because someone got hurt and the 911 operator tells you don't move the person but yet you still move the person, do you think you are guilty of a crime at that point?

 

[popsicle]

Unless the State does a recross and discounts some of his testimony, then it appears to me that it was a mistake for the State to put him on the stand.

JMO

They really had no choice imo. They defense would have called him.