George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #6

[JeannaT]

I just got here (been trying to speed read to catch up) - why is Zimmerman's name in all red?

Did you "search" websleuths for Zimmerman? That's what happens when I do a search for a thread, rather than just going to the thread and opening it.

 

[gxm]

IMO - Also, he was in fear of a confrontation with TM, but then when TM ran away from him, he get's out of his car and decides to pursue him. Absolutely no common sense at all and an unarmed teenager paid with his life.

Yes. When an unarmed person assaults an armed person, they are likely to pay dearly. Which is why, IMO, it is best to avoid physical confrontations. TM thought he'd sucker punch this "racial epithet" and have the upper hand. He was wrong. Very wrong. And he paid dearly. It is a terrible tragedy. But this, IMO, is where the glamorized violence in our culture has brought us. JMO. OMO. MOO.

 

[missmazzy]

Wow! No way I would be talking to those guys without a lawyer - guilty or not!

 

[mikeysmommom]

Speaking for myself (and who else WOULD I speak on behalf of?) -- I have not yet decided what happened in this case -- whether it was self-defense or an intentional act (2nd degree murder or manslaughter). IMHO I don't have enough information to make that "call" -- and perhaps never will.

One thing that does puzzle me -- let's assume that everything GZ says is true and that from his perspective he feared for his life. Why -- even if TM began to beat him up -- why didn't he then identify himself either a policeman or some other sort of "authority" figure? If GZ had yelled out "Stop! I'm just the security guard!" or some such wouldn't that have motivated TM to stop hitting him?

In other words, GZ actions do seem odd to me. He never identified himself to TM so far as I can tell.

Why not?

lease:

All the time Police are murdered by teens,gang members and robbers just for being Police.He was neither a COP or a security guard nor was he on a neighborhood watch run.He was a private citizen who legally had a gun to protect himself and he feared for his life so he used it.Case closed.If there is a problem with how the police did their investigation go after them and their policies but IMO GZ committed no crime.The media and others jumped on this and twisted facts from the beginning.Seeing how bad GZ looked immediately after IMO he was in fear for his life and luckily for him he had a way to stop the attack.JMO

 

[sacrablue]

It very scary to think a person such as GZ can get a permit to carry a deadly weapon. This Law must change. I would trust this guy about as far as I could throw him. Large ego, save the neighborhood types walking around like Dirty Harry making up stories to help him be a hero. IMO

 

[missmazzy]

Yes. When an unarmed person assaults an armed person, they are likely to pay dearly. Which is why, IMO, it is best to avoid physical confrontations. TM thought he'd sucker punch this "racial epithet" and have the upper hand. He was wrong. Very wrong. And he paid dearly. It is a terrible tragedy. But this, IMO, is where the glamorized violence in our culture has brought us. JMO. OMO. MOO.

It's very possible we share a brain! :seeya:

 

[tpatte021]

Yes. When an unarmed person assaults an armed person, they are likely to pay dearly. Which is why, IMO, it is best to avoid physical confrontations. TM thought he'd sucker punch this "racial epithet" and have the upper hand. He was wrong. Very wrong. And he paid dearly. It is a terrible tragedy. But this, IMO, is where the glamorized violence in our culture has brought us. JMO. OMO. MOO.

IMO - You are assuming this is true from only the words of GZ; nothing proves this at all and is pure speculation

 

[Sleuth5]

Yes. When an unarmed person assaults an armed person, they are likely to pay dearly. Which is why, IMO, it is best to avoid physical confrontations. TM thought he'd sucker punch this "racial epithet" and have the upper hand. He was wrong. Very wrong. And he paid dearly. It is a terrible tragedy. But this, IMO, is where the glamorized violence in our culture has brought us. JMO. OMO. MOO.

If that's what happened.

 

[tpatte021]

It very scary to think a person such as GZ can get a permit to carry a deadly weapon. This Law must change. I would trust this guy about as far as I could throw him. Large ego, save the neighborhood types walking around like Dirty Harry making up stories to help him be a hero.

IMO - This evidence is VERY damning...holes galore in his story as soon as questions are starting to be asked.

 

[AngelWings444]

In the interview, when confronted by the woman officer on what he said to her, he doesn't remember a bunch of stuff. They are playing the 911 call and going over his different stories. He can't remember where he was...

IMO - None of his stories are the same. This interview is different than the 911 call, different story to female officer, different story on walk through.

Lot's of "I don't remember" in this interview.

This is very damaging. JMO

 

[JudyBolton]

Did you "search" websleuths for Zimmerman? That's what happens when I do a search for a thread, rather than just going to the thread and opening it.

No - I just skipped back a couple of pages and several posters had done that - I just wondered why. No big deal - thanks!

 

[Donnareit]

Does anyone know if the jury has to find 2nd degree murder, or can they find a Manslaughter charge, for example. If no 2nd degree murder, is he acquitted?

Also, the witnesses are either not credible or just don't have much to report so I wish I did not feel like Zimmerman embellished his account. I really think he did in fear he had to justify his actions. If he had not, I think he would be more credible. I am really on the fence with this.

I believe GZ was in fear for his life when he stepped out of his car. He was "on the hunt," and I'm sure he was in a very agitated internal state no matter how he appeared on the outside. LE tests for these types of personalities and usually screens them out. What frightens me is that so many of them figure they can just go ahead and be a police force of one. :moo:

 

[mikeysmommom]

Yes. When an unarmed person assaults an armed person, they are likely to pay dearly. Which is why, IMO, it is best to avoid physical confrontations. TM thought he'd sucker punch this "racial epithet" and have the upper hand. He was wrong. Very wrong. And he paid dearly. It is a terrible tragedy. But this, IMO, is where the glamorized violence in our culture has brought us. JMO. OMO. MOO.

I agree 100%!

 

[Moonie]

How did GZ use both hands to reach for his gun, unholster it, like he just did in the interview, if he was getting his butt kicked, head pounded?

He also said that TM was straddling him with his knees on GZ's arms and that is why he couldn't get up. But yet somehow he managed to grab his gun out of the holster. Doesn't sound right to me. IMO.

 

[gxm]

IMO - You are assuming this is true from only the words of GZ; nothing proves this at all and is pure speculation

Yes. Because I was attacked in a similar manner and everything GZ has said jibes with my experience. Also, IMO, RJ's testimony sealed it (for me) that TM attacked GZ. JMO. OMO. MOO.

 

[PaperDoll]

GZ: I wasn't following him I was just going in the same directions as him

Officer: Tha't following him..


LOL :floorlaugh:

 

[AngelWings444]

He also said that TM was straddling him with his knees on GZ's arms and that is why he couldn't get up. But yet somehow he managed to grab his gun out of the holster. Doesn't sound right to me. IMO.

He also stated that Trayvon went for the gun. I don't believe any of it. JMO

 

[JudyBolton]

It very scary to think a person such as GZ can get a permit to carry a deadly weapon. This Law must change. I would trust this guy about as far as I could throw him. Large ego, save the neighborhood types walking around like Dirty Harry making up stories to help him be a hero.

I think you should wait and hear some of the character witnesses when the Defense puts on their case. BTW you forgot to add (imo) after your Dirty Harry comment...I have not seen ANY evidence that he had a personality like that - he seems quite mild mannered and very respectful. IMO

 

[AngelWings444]

In taped interview, they call GZ out on running after Trayvon, or "fast walking".

 

[PaintingAnemone]

In taped interview, they call GZ out on running after Trayvon, or "fast walking".

I caught that, too. They're asking him the same questions I would have, and GZ's responses, imo, are just lousy.