George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #7

[Just K]

The Prosecution IMO should have asked Serrino about the blood on the bridge of GZ's nose. IMO, that was there the whole time. If GZ told the truth that the nose injury occurred first, before the rolling around on the ground, then he is saying, IMO, that he was standing when he first started bleeding from that nose bleed.

 

[nnglas]

If you heard the tape on NBC, MSNBC, CNN then you heard the doctored versions. It's easy to search out the undoctored version or just listen to the 911 tape from the trial. NBC has been busted numerous times doctoring/editing tapes for ratings. It's out there, easy to find.

I didn't hear the doctored tapes. Why would I listen to them? You just said that they were doctored.

Again, what does that have to do with anything I have said about GZ or his actions that night ?


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[Lovelymountains]

GZ was surprised - ambushed - and I think that made a big difference in his reaction.

Does anyone here think it's o.k. to ambush someone and start attacking them immediately, when you have not ascertained their intentions?

IMO GZ was not ambushed. I do not think that a person who just shot an unarmed individual will necessarilly be truthful. His interest will be in protecting himself, not seeing that the dead person receives justice. The only indication of "Ambush" is what Zimmerman says. I discount most of his version of events. He has no incentive to be truthful. IMO

As for TM, IMO being followed by a stranger on a dark rainy night is reason enough to be frightened. I believe the incident was caused by GZ being determined to not let this one, "Get away." IMO TM tried to get away and that caused his murder.

 

[ncgramma]

No. It was just testimony brought forth from Serino..

No positive link that it was from this case but just something to think about.

IMO-

Interesting, yes. But I sure think we have enough to deal with without adding it to our list. LOL

 

[nnglas]

and how was he to know that? There had been robberies and he sees a man, in a hoodie, walking slowly in the rain looking at homes. Any reasonable person would find that suspect, IMO.

A reasonable person would also think that someone following them was suspect also. That is the only point I'm trying to make. Why isn't TM afforded the same rights as GZ? Also since GZ was the one doing the following why didn't he just tell TM who he was?


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[barrysgirl]

How would you know a random stranger was a robber? You'd just assume right?

If a person was proven to be a robber who robbed many houses in your neighborhood they'd be in jail, not walking through your neighborhood so once a again who would you be calling a punk? Are you going to go to the jail and call them a punk? Because unless there's been a conviction and you know for a FACT that person is a robber they're innocent.

So once again, we come back to the point of you assuming INNOCENT people walking through your neighborhood, no matter what the color who fit a certain stereotype to you would be labeled a robber and a punk...sad.

I live in a private, gated community. I KNOW my neighbors. Not by name, but by sight. if there is a strange person walking thru our community that I've never seen before and acting suspiciously, I'm calling the cops. Just as I did on that poor crazy man the other night running back and forth, talking to himself.

We had a robbery a few weeks ago in our neighborhood. You better believe we are all on the lookout. If a strange person is walking thru the community, again as I said..slowly in the rain, looking in homes, in a hoodie, I'm calling the cops AS I watch them. and I would assume they had been doing the robberies too.

 

[Donnareit]

Correct. Permission or probable cause. They can't just go around searching people. Which was my point.

IMO


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In my opinion LE or anyone in an authoratative role can get permission from a kid (especially one who is doing nothing wrong) fairly easy. Sadly, in these times we're in, that's becoming true for adults as well. The Fourth Amendment's protection is disappearing fast as people sort themselves into an "us" vs "them" mentality. And this case is a good example of this.

GZ, and many others living in these gated communities, believe that everone locked inside with them are good; outsiders who get into their little compounds MUST be the cause of whatever bad things happen. In reality these gated-residents have just as much domestic violence, child abuse, and overall fraudulent activity going on within the confines of their homes as do the general population.

George's address on his driver's license did not match up with where he lived so how long did he live there? The law gives limited time to get that change made in the system. An oversight or an attempt to hide his whereabouts? George mosies along looking into his neighbors' windows; he decides whose garage door is left open when no one is home; he knows who keeps their doors locked and who doesn't. A simple invasion of privacy or a peeping Tom? And George goes grocery shopping with a fully loaded 9mm pistol in an unsecured holster with a round in the chamber and the safety off. Just going out for some milk and eggs or a tragedy waiting to happen?

Just thinking out loud to myself and anybody else who can hear me.

 

[?noanswer]

If you heard the tape on NBC, MSNBC, CNN then you heard the doctored versions. It's easy to search out the undoctored version or just listen to the 911 tape from the trial. NBC has been busted numerous times doctoring/editing tapes for ratings. It's out there, easy to find.

I seem to remember a reporter getting in trouble for enhancing a tape. Was it this case?

JMO

 

[Lovelymountains]

What I'm saying is GZ didn't do that because TM was found with his hand under him, not spread out like he said.

Yes. IMO another inconsistency. I, personally, have never seen a person be shot dead, or even shot. I can't say I have seen it "Many times," because I have never seen it. I must live a life somewhat different from those who actually have seen this kind of violence. IMO

 

[Hopeful One]

I live in a private, gated community. I KNOW my neighbors. Not by name, but by sight. if there is a strange person walking thru our community that I've never seen before and acting suspiciously, I'm calling the cops. Just as I did on that poor crazy man the other night running back and forth, talking to himself.

We had a robbery a few weeks ago in our neighborhood. You better believe we are all on the lookout. If a strange person is walking thru the community, again as I said..slowly in the rain, looking in homes, in a hoodie, I'm calling the cops AS I watch them. and I would assume they had been doing the robberies too.

Looking in homes? Do you have a link to that?

 

[PrettyWoman86]

and how was he to know that? There had been robberies and he sees a man, in a hoodie, walking slowly in the rain looking at homes. Any reasonable person would find that suspect, IMO.

If TM was not familiar with the area, a reasonable person might assume that he is lost and not looking to break in, JMO.

 

[tsitra01]

and how was he to know that? There had been robberies and he sees a man, in a hoodie, walking slowly in the rain looking at homes. Any reasonable person would find that suspect, IMO.

So if you are walking home from a friends, or a store and you are wearing a sweat shirt with a hood that you pull up to protect you from the rain and you dare to look around as you walk ....LOOK OUT SOMEONE WHO IS A WANNA BE COP LIKE GZ MIGHT KILL YOU. WARNING.... Take off sweatshirt with hood, keep you head down and arms in the air to show you are not carrying anything suspicious. You might just make it home unless GZ is lurking.

 

[Hopeful One]

There are really doctored versions of the tapes?? What is wrong with the media???? This isn't a reality show!!! This is real life!

IMO

 

[Lovelymountains]

I'm starting to think that may be the point - to get people to SHUT UP and STAND DOWN, no matter what.

I don't think a person is a criminal until convicted. It's that pesky constitution. IMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Well I just put a chocolate cake in the oven and I missed the witnesses name?! Can anyone help me??

Thanks!

 

[ncgramma]

"I'm not gonna hit you" LOL! I know who would win the fight between this prosecutor and that detective!

Oh yeah and that's one scuffle I wouldn't mind seeing. I'm getting the opinion that LE isn't all that pleased to be dragged up on the stand for the prosecution. Too many outside influences forcing this case. Worrisome for all races, colors, creeds. I thought our goal was equality and justice for all. Just because these pressures are "white" (ha!) vs black this time doesn't mean the next time they will be. Very worrisome for me. We're going backwards into reverse discrimination instead or moving forward. Those are my fears anyway.

 

[missmazzy]

I live in a private, gated community. I KNOW my neighbors. Not by name, but by sight. if there is a strange person walking thru our community that I've never seen before and acting suspiciously, I'm calling the cops. Just as I did on that poor crazy man the other night running back and forth, talking to himself.

We had a robbery a few weeks ago in our neighborhood. You better believe we are all on the lookout. If a strange person is walking thru the community, again as I said..slowly in the rain, looking in homes, in a hoodie, I'm calling the cops AS I watch them. and I would assume they had been doing the robberies too.

I live in a 3 story condominium. Everyone knows each other by name, etc. Visitors must be buzzed in. If I see someone I don't recognize wandering around as if they don't know where they're going, I will ask if I can help them. Usually they are delivering something or its their first visit. Fortunately for me, it's in a brightly lit hallway and we can see each other. It is not a rainy dark night. IMO, if GZ were unarmed, he would not have pursued someone in that situation. I sure wouldn't.

 

[Jane Jetson]

Precisely! The detective this morning said in so many words that there was no apparent reason for following and challenging Trayvon Benjamin Martin Because he was unarmed, hadn't done anything wrong or suspicious and was not carrying any sort of weapon. IMO

Respectfully snipped. IMO On HLN tv.

I didn't hear the detective say that Trayvon hadn't done anything suspicious.

I would call standing out in the rain, in people's yards, looking into windows, suspicious. Maybe it's because I'm a homeowner (not that you're not). When you have an investment in the neighborhood, then there's probably more of a tendency to care about what's happening there.

mtc

 

[Chelly]

I know Inves. Serino was demoted because of his handling of the Zimmerman case. But I'm unclear on the exact reason. Could someone enlighten me?
Thanks!

 

[Hopeful One]

Well I just put a chocolate cake in the oven and I missed the witnesses name?! Can anyone help me??

Thanks!

You better be sharing!