George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #7

[Chris_Texas]

Please post a link to proof Trayvon "ambushed" or attacked Zimmerman first.

Do you think it's reasonable for a teenager to not fear their life when being followed by a stranger?

Forget proof, how about just some evidence. ANY evidence will do.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

So this witness thinks the confrontation is evidence that GZ followed TM? Oops, guess he forgot that TM could walk or run as well. Witness then says there's no tabginble evidence that GZ followed TM.

Still waiting for the state to show GZ as a bloodthirsty murderer. imo

 

[Justice4MyPeople]

Why is Omara being allowed to bring up a slim jim found 6 days after Trayvon's murder?? What the heck??? The prosecution sucks! Object to this mess!

 

[Tricia]

WARNING:​

Please no more posts about who uses what word or about who looks suspicious based on race and who doesn't.

It adds Nothing to the conversation and is not being discussed in the trial.

Also let's not get sidetracked from the actual trial be discussing who looks suspicious and who doesn't . It adds nothing to this discussion thread

Thank you.

Tricia

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Where the case sits thus far in my opinion:

The only evidence for self defense is Zimmerman's word and judgement... both of which have been shown to be false and questionable.

Despite Z's claim, Martin was not under the influence of drugs. Despite Z's claim, Martin did noy have anything wrong with him, nor was he up to no good. Despite Z's claim, Martin almost certainly did not return from behind the buildings at the T to circle Z's truck in a threatening manner. Despite Z's claim, Martin almost certainly did not approach Z with his hand in his waistband, then while holding something in his hand.

Despite Z's claim, it is unbelievable that Z's did not remember the street name, and even more unbelievable that he was searching behind the buildings for a house number. Despite Z's claim to the contrary, we know from the location of the fight that Z continued to pursue Martin all the way to the point of the fight. Despite Z's claim we know that Martin did not knock Z down and begin pounding his head on the sidewalk at the T intersection. Despite Z's claim, we know that Martin did not punch him in the face twenty times, or smother him, or muffle his cries, and it is questionable whether his head ever hit the sidewalk at all.

We know that there was a fight of some kind. We don't know who started it, we don't know who was winning, but we do know that neither party was particularly injured prior to the gunshot. We know that Zimmerman apparently never even tried to physically defend himself. We know, based on witness testimony and physical evidence, that Zimmerman plays fast and loose with the facts.

We know that Martin was scared and had tried to avoid the fight altogether. We know, based on physical evidence and witness testimony, that Zimmerman pursued Martin over and over and over again. He pursued him when he entered the property, he pursued at the clubhouse, he pursued down Twin Tree lane, he pursued him between the buildings, he pursued until they met.

At SOME point Zimmerman must advance some kind of evidence to support his claim that this was self-defense. He's the one making this claim, and his team needs to support it in some way. So far they have not done so. So far all we have is the statement of a guy with (at best) terrible judgement and a track record for lying.

A lot of what you state as fact is not. In fact it is your perception of events.. Even starting with it is your opinion, It sounds like you are stating facts in evidence. We don't know many of the things you say in that post. IT is all your OPINION.

 

[nnglas]

Fights are fast and confusing.. I think it is possible it was all going on at the same time at some point. I have seen people really scuffle and it is fast and crazy..

I believe this could in fact be true..
I asked you for LIES as you see them. Not impossibilities.. I think any thing is possible..
I am open to all sides and am willing to be convinced, I just don't see it.
OMO

I find it hard to believe TM could do all these things at the same time. Also if your nose and mouth are being held how you can scream so loud and clearly.

I also find it odd that a teenager without a gun would say "you are going to die to night mfer. How was he going to kill him by punching him?


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[JeannaT]

No one, but GZ, heard TM say "got a problem, homie?" Only GZ said that. RJ heard it differently and reported it as she heard it to be. I believe her over how GZ said it, JMO..

In retrospect, "Got a problem homie?" doesn't sound that different from "why are you following me?" If not spoken clearly they sound quite similar actually.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Reasonable for GZ to call nen-911 according to this witness.

 

[DIBSY]

No one, but GZ, heard TM say "got a problem, homie?" Only GZ said that. RJ heard it differently and reported it as she heard it to be. I believe her over how GZ said it, JMO..

So do I, PaperDoll, in fact in my estimation she has been the most candid , honest witness thus far, among non-experts. IMO When I think of the dialogue she could have placed in the mouths of the two, I think she was VERY conservative.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I find it hard to believe TM could do all these things at the same time. Also if your nose and mouth are being held how you can scream so loud and clearly.

I also find it odd that a teenager without a gun would say "you are going to die to night mfer. How was he going to kill him by punching him?


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I have heard many teens talk like that. Teens feel this impervious thing.. That nothing will really hurt them, that is why they often make poor choices.. .

I do believe it is possible. I am sure it all the things happened quickly and he may not have remembered exactly what happened at what time..

If you are being attacked quickly it is a blur, You are trying to fight for you.. I think the evidence shows that TM was overpowering him based on GZ injuries and the fact that TM had no blows on him.

OMO.

 

[PaperDoll]

In retrospect, "Got a problem homie?" doesn't sound that different from "why are you following me?" If not spoken clearly they sound quite similar actually.

Sounds differently to me. He wants to know why he is being followed since GZ said he was following him. "Got a problem, homie" isn't the same, IMO. homie? to me TM doesn't sound like he would say that. :twocents: This is just my opinion.

 

[gxm]

I never said that. The poster specifically said "those walking through their neighborhood that robbed several homes" and I pointed out you wouldn't know that. You could suspect them but what if you were wrong in your suspicions? What if the person you thought was a "suspect" was really another person? Unless you have PROOF that that person is indeed the perpetrator, which you wouldn't because if they were convicted they'd be in jail, you have no right to profile random people.

Police can't just go up to someone and arrest them because they "look" like a suspect or a criminal, they have to actually have proof that that person committed the crime so why should a civilian be able to just assume someone is a criminal and a "punk" just because of their own biases?

Sorry but the American justice system doesn't work that way.

BBM.

But they can pull them over and search them for no apparent. It has happened to my son. (FTR, my son is not an AA teenager.)

 

[Beyond Belief]

Martin armed with concrete as weapon, per testimony. imo moo

 

[Tricia]

Please Put In Your Posts, "In My Opinion Only" if you are not Stating Obvious Fact.

I will start timing people out if you forget to put this in your posts.

Thank you,

Tricia

 

[Chris_Texas]

We don't know a lot what's in that post. imo

Specifically?

 

[nnglas]

BBM.

But they can pull them over and search them for no apparent. It has happened to my son. (FTR, my son is not an AA teenager.)

No they can't. They have to have probable cause. If they do they are doing something illegal.


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[JeannaT]

Sounds differently to me. He wants to know why he is being followed since GZ said he was following him. "Got a problem, homie" isn't the same, IMO. homie? to me TM doesn't sound like he would say that. :twocents: This is just my opinion.

They sound the same to me, especially if mumbled.

My opinion only.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Sounds differently to me. He wants to know why he is being followed since GZ said he was following him. "Got a problem, homie" isn't the same, IMO. homie? to me TM doesn't sound like he would say that. :twocents: This is just my opinion.

Respectfully, How could you know that? There is no way.. It is just an assumption.

I think the reason some of us are squarely on GZ side is because we see fact that backs it up. It is hard to see the other side without fact and seemingly just emotion as a back up.

I am open to being turned. But there is no fact..
PROSECUTION has to prove MURDER. Prove it not suggest it. There is nothing to their case that proves it.



GZ was ELATED that it could have been video taped... Serino testimony.

that is not someone lying. Sorry. HE is looking for back up of the truth. Im sorry. that speaks volumes to me.. OMO

 

[Just K]

Was it ever determined if GZ turned off his headlights or was the truck found with the headlights still on? Because if the lights were on wouldn't the path to the T from 1211 Twin (whatever it's called) street be lit to some degree.

 

[Jane Jetson]

I get what you are saying. I really do. However why isn't TM given the same courtesy? He didn't know if GZ was a serial killer either. I don't understand why GZ is allowed to afraid for his life, but TM isn't, when someone clearly follows him, and when asked say they don't have a problem.

When was the last time you have heard of someone being followed by someone and there reaction to it? Rarely because usually when someone is followed harm comes to them.

TM was not deprived of any courtesy. He walked/ran away, and was gone from GZ's sight. He could have made his way and never gotten into difficulty. Rather, Trayvon decided to violently confront Zimmerman.

When someone choses to do that, they do not know what the outcome will be, but it may be the opposite of what they're expecting.

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