George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #7

[Jane Jetson]

Just reading this discussion, I'm reminded of a recent incident where, wasn't it a kid who slugged someone just after a sporting event/game, one slug, and the guy died? And then there is always the 'hockey dad' who beat the coach guy at a rink in Boston, was it, while the cops were in route.

I saw that. Excellent point! George said he felt that he might lose consciousness, and that he also felt like his head was going to explode. Who can blame him at that point for defending his life?

:twocents:

 

[PrettyWoman86]

IMO if TM had really tried to "get away" by running he would have reached safely the apartment he started from. As I have previously asked, why couldn't a high school football player easily outrun GZ?

Why couldn't a person who had been practicing for 5 months in MMA over power a kid? See how that goes? Every interaction between GZ and TM can be argued for or against them it just depends on which side you are on.

 

[gracielee]

That's logical, ok. But, naw. As long as we keep serving booze at sporting events and parties, IMO there will continue to be an abundant supply of those folks.
:truce:

Assaults happen a lot at drink free sporting events. Little League games, soccer games, school football games, etc. Both parents & players.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Very informative and reasonable..pure logic! Thanks!
I hope the Jury knows that George Zimmerman's father, Robert Z. is a retired Judge Magistrate in Florida and has already written a book re his son's innocence!!! For in my considered view, it goes a long long way in explaining how respectfully GZ has been handled and why he originally got off Scot Free for this brutal killing. IMO

And TM's family got a huge undeserved imo settlement out of the situation. jmo

 

[Just K]

Why is Osterman being allowed to testify as an expert might?

 

[ncgramma]

Mr Osterman cannot help but add his own speculation and opinion as opposed to recounting what GZ stated to Osterman.

He's answering the questions he's being asked. Just like all the witnesses. The jurors will decide if anything he had to offer helps them decide the legal questions in the case.

 

[nnglas]

I'm not sure how this witness helped the prosecution myself.

I fail to see how most of the witnesses help the prosecution.

I honestly am waiting on all the evidence to prove the opening statement.

You guys say this was overcharged. I think it was over promised.

IMO


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[William N]

I'm not sure how this witness helped the prosecution myself.

This has been true of most prosecution witnesses IMO.

 

[EGirl]

Not meaning to be snarky here either, but if it is okay to shoot someone who punches you in the face or pounds your head on the sidewalk, there are going to be a lot more dead people - and a good deal of them will be intimately related with the shooter. :moo: IMO but also based on crime statistics
<snip>.[/B]

Or maybe people will think twice about attacking someone they perceive as weaker or un armed.


JMO

 

[mom23gr8kids]

That's logical, ok. But, naw. As long as we keep serving booze at sporting events and parties, IMO there will continue to be an abundant supply of those folks.
:truce:

And even without the alcohol there is still an abundance of ignorance. I have coached little league cheerleading for the past 3 years. I've had to remove my whole squad from a practice field because two adults broke into a fight that then turned into to a huge brawl between two groups. I've had parents verbally attack me and threaten physical harm while on the field during a game. All of these things over silly issues. IMO

Until people once again learn to be responsible for their own behavior regardless to what someone else does to "cause" their bad behavior. IMO I tell my own children all the time I do not want to hear but "she made me hit her because she ....." nope No one made you do anything. You and only you can control your behavior.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Don West said that the case needs to stay in the 5 to 7 minutes where the crime took place. IMO it is horrible to denigrate a victim.

If TM started the fight, he's not a victim imo

 

[DIBSY]

If you looked it up you would find it was Virginia and not FL. Also, it has no bearing on this case. imo

Thank you....I did look it up and since Robert Zimmerman's book is all about the bones of this case, I can't see how it does not have a strong bearing...for him to rush to finish it ASAP et al as well. Most who follow true crime are familiar with preferential treatment of family members who are acused of serious crimes, when the defendent has associations with the judicial system or LE...or even a political figure. Albeit I am focusing upon this case right now and don't wish to go off on a tangent about others who prove examples. No offense....IMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Very informative and reasonable..pure logic! Thanks!
I hope the Jury knows that George Zimmerman's father, Robert Z. is a retired Judge Magistrate in Florida and has already written a book re his son's innocence!!! For in my considered view, it goes a long long way in explaining how respectfully GZ has been handled and why he originally got off Scot Free for this brutal killing. IMO

"Robert J. Zimmerman served as a full-time magistrate from 2000-2006. Please be advised that in Virginia magistrates are judicial officers, but they are not considered "judges" and do not possess trial jurisdiction."


http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/crime/zimmerman-dad-worked-as-magistrate

If we want to find the truth we have to stop with posting rumor and stick to the facts.

OMO

 

[MouseTheLuckyDog]

I'm not sure how this witness helped the prosecution myself.

Actually I'm not sure how any witness has helped the prosecution so far.

 

[nnglas]

And TM's family got a huge undeserved imo settlement out of the situation. jmo

Seems there are a lot of people who thing they didn't deserve anything. Not even an investigation.

IMO

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[sacrablue]

TM walked up to car making eye contact.
GZ is on phone with non emergency.
Why did GZ get out of vehicle?
Here is where GZ made a mistake IMO.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Looks like Zimmerman is nodding off to sleep during the non-riveting testimony of his best pal...who knew him four years prior to the killing and seems to have been rehearsed syllable by letter. IMO

That is interesting because people want to say that GZ is lying because he does not cite chapter and verse..

I think it is hard when people are applying some rules to one side and other rules to the other.
If we want this to be a fair process we need to look for fact and evidence.
OMO

 

[William N]

Why couldn't a person who had been practicing for 5 months in MMA over power a kid? See how that goes? Every interaction between GZ and TM can be argued for or against them it just depends on which side you are on.

Again, the "kid" was a high school football player, IMO someone GZ couldn't overpower OR catch in a foot race.

When is somebody going to explain why TM couldn't have run back to the apartment?

 

[EGirl]

IMHO, the trial for M2 hinges on a key factor - that Z killed TM out of fear for his own life.

First, the evidence - injuries were not at all life-threatening or serious enough to require a visit to the hospital, Z was able to walk around unassisted and talked coherently after this "lethal beating".

This shows that physically and in reality, Z was not in any danger that night. <snip>

My own two cents.

At what point do you decide to stop a physical assault on your person? While you're still coherent and physically able to do it? Or do you hope you aren't beaten unconscious/dead before you finally decide to defend yourself?

JMO

 

[DIBSY]

And their opinions are important why?

In all due respect, ncgramma, " Important" is your word not mine.IMO