George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #7

[TexMex]

Seems there are a lot of people who thing they didn't deserve anything. Not even an investigation.


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IMO

We have been hearing from those involved in the investigation for the past two days!

IMO

 

[nnglas]

Again, the "kid" was a high school football player, IMO someone GZ couldn't overpower or catch in a foot race.

When is somebody going to explain why TM couldn't have run back to the apartment?

The answer to your question is because he didn't have to. He has every right to be outside if he wants to.

Also, maybe he didn't want to lead the "creepy" guy to his house where the other child was.

Maybe he hid first.

IMO


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[ScarlettScarpetta]

In all due respect, ncgramma, " Important" is your word not mine.IMO

If you are using them as a basis for your opinion then they are indeed important to you. You find hem credible but there is no proof of what they say.. Only their guess.

OMO

 

[sacrablue]

TM walked up to car making eye contact.
GZ is on phone with non emergency.
Why did GZ get out of vehicle?
Here is where GZ made a mistake IMO.

GZ still in car was aware that TM knew he was being followed.
Nothing good was going to happen by GZ following TM on foot.
This was an accident that should have been avoided.
Non emergency did what they could to stop GZ.
IMO

 

[ncgramma]

FYI/OT -- Casey Anthony gets mixed ruling from bankruptcy judge
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...y-anthony-bankruptcy-20130702,0,2317948.story

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Seems there are a lot of people who thing they didn't deserve anything. Not even an investigation.


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Never heard anyone claim that.

 

[legalmania]

Yes, soccer matches, baseball games, football games, coaches and parents, all in the news. It's unbelievable - inconceivable - to me! What is wrong with people!

If George wanted to be a MMA fighter I don't understand how he didn't learn how to take and give punches. My son is a sparring partner for MMA fighters and even with equipment on, he gets hit in the face, he gets kicked in all kinds of places, he's gotten a broken nose or two, he just laughs if off. IMO even if GZ was a neighborhood watch guy he should have taken defensive fighting courses. IMO if you want to be a fighter you better learn to fight.

 

[qwerty2013]

IMO, If Z's claim he feared for his life = Evidence that Z feared for his life, then there's no need for a trial, in fact for any trial anywhere where a stranger shoots another without eye witnesses.

Thankfully, the laws do not work this way or anyone can bring a gun to any fight and get away with murder.

Therefore the trial is to establish if it was *LIKELY* that Z should have feared for his life to justify shooting an unarmed pedestrian he tussled with.

If he shot without justification, then that's reckless killing/murder 2.

The likelihood of feeling fear for one's life varies according to the person, a 17 yr old girl, a child, an elderly, a disabled person would all feel fear at different degrees from Z.

The clearest evidence is of course serious injuries or bodily harm that indicate there is enough cause to fear for one's life. In the absence of such, psychological fear must be proven, and this fear MUST be reasonably established, eg. prolonged losing fight, isolated place with no possibility of 3rd party assistance or police help, opponent wielding a weapon, physical inferiority, mental weakness, etc.

There must be certain criteria to support the defense of "fear for one's life", otherwise, anyone can bring a gun to any fight and get away with murder.

IMHO.

 

[UdbCrzy2]

And TM's family got a huge undeserved imo settlement out of the situation. jmo

So, I guess there was no court trial for that settlement?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

GZ still in car was aware that TM knew he was being followed.
Nothing good was going to happen by GZ following TM on foot.
This was an accident that should have been avoided.
Non emergency did what they could to stop GZ.
IMO

Actually Non emergency had no power to stop GZ.

As stated on the stand.

 

[Amber29]

The answer to your question is because he didn't have to. He has every right to be outside if he wants to.

Also, maybe he didn't want to lead the "creepy" guy to his house where the other child was.

Maybe he hid first.

IMO


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IMO that goes both ways...
TM didn't have to go straight home even though he was creeped out
And
GZ didn't have to stay in his car
Neither had done anything illegal at that point. It's all about who made physical contact first IMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

IMO, If Z's claim he feared for his life = Evidence that Z feared for his life, then there's no need for a trial, in fact for any trial anywhere where a stranger shoots another without eye witnesses.

Thankfully, the laws do not work this way or anyone can bring a gun to any fight and get away with murder.

Therefore the trial is to establish if it was *LIKELY* that Z should have feared for his life to justify shooting an unarmed pedestrian he tussled with.

If he shot without justification, then that's reckless killing/murder 2.

The likelihood of feeling fear for one's life varies according to the person, a 17 yr old girl, a child, an elderly, a disabled person would all feel fear at different degrees from Z.

The clearest evidence is of course serious injuries or bodily harm that indicate there is enough cause to fear for one's life. In the absence of such, psychological fear must be proven, and this fear MUST be reasonably established, eg. prolonged losing fight, isolated place with no possibility of 3rd party assistance or police help, opponent wielding a weapon, physical inferiority, mental weakness, etc.

There must be certain criteria to support the defense of "fear for one's life", otherwise, anyone can bring a gun to any fight and get away with murder.

IMHO.

Actually this was a unilateral decision by one person. It was never determined by a grand jury that there was enough evidence to bring it to trial.

AS I understand it this is a fact.

 

[nnglas]

IMO

We have been hearing from those involved in the investigation for the past two days!

IMO

We have, then we heard from an investigator who wanted to charge GZ but was overruled. The same investigator somehow was demoted and then he gets on the stand and says there weren't any inconsistencies. This whole case was handled poorly. TM's parents deserved a full investigation from the beginning. Not after the media got involved.

IMO


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[Horace Finklestein]

The answer to your question is because he didn't have to. He has every right to be outside if he wants to.

Also, maybe he didn't want to lead the "creepy" guy to his house where the other child was.

Maybe he hid first.

IMO


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Then I don't see how he was scared/afraid, etc.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

If George wanted to be a MMA fighter I don't understand how he didn't learn how to take and give punches. My son is a sparring partner for MMA fighters and even with equipment on, he gets hit in the face, he gets kicked in all kinds of places, he's gotten a broken nose or two, he just laughs if off. IMO even if GZ was a neighborhood watch guy he should have taken defensive fighting courses. IMO if you want to be a fighter you better learn to fight.

And some people want to be something and can not.. I wanted to do Yoga, tried and failed. So to me, just because someone took a few classes does not mean he is good at it.. OMO

 

[costalpilot]

I am not arguing. I am trying to understand. GZ has made these statements as reasons that be fired his weapon.

Yes I have seen a fight. I've also been in a fight where someone hit me first. At no time did I think to kill them.

I have seen a fight when I was in my teens where someone was getting their head beat into the pavement. Guess what? That guy was asleep when the police got there. And required a lengthy hospital stay.

Edited to add IMO

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in the course of a fight many things can and do happen in fractions of seconds...pointing to these actions as not likely to have happened is misleading. the assertion is baseless. imo.

and easily proved as such. if the prosecution makes the claim in court it will be easily refuted. there is no evidence that GZ thought to kill anyone. NONE.

because one person lost consciousness in a fight one time means literally nothing.

whatever you did in a fight is particular to that fight, nothing else.

IN MY OPINION

 

[DIBSY]

That is interesting because people want to say that GZ is lying because he does not cite chapter and verse..

I think it is hard when people are applying some rules to one side and other rules to the other.
If we want this to be a fair process we need to look for fact and evidence.
OMO

Yet, ScarletScarpetta, my personal reasons for being conviced GZ is dishonest in his recollections is far different. Mine as I have outlined here, such as him standing dirctly in front of a street number ( they showed it visually in court this morning ) and claiming he had to keepon following TM in order to F I N D a street number, simply won't wash...my observation about his pal's testimony is entirely different and not as specific as the dozens of contradicions in Zimmerman's rambling statements. I am merely stating that this witness sounds well rehearsed because his terms are often mimicing the exact vocabulary of his friend.IMO

So I am using actual evidence, ie video of the street number and many other methods, to base my views on. IMO

 

[Nezumi]

If George wanted to be a MMA fighter I don't understand how he didn't learn how to take and give punches. My son is a sparring partner for MMA fighters and even with equipment on, he gets hit in the face, he gets kicked in all kinds of places, he's gotten a broken nose or two, he just laughs if off. IMO even if GZ was a neighborhood watch guy he should have taken defensive fighting courses. IMO if you want to be a fighter you better learn to fight.

Let me suggest that there is a significant difference in ability between an older, overweight man and a young, fit football player in terms of how well (or how quickly) this "training" will be mastered.

In My Opinion

 

[UdbCrzy2]

What I don't understand is that GZ says that he's getting his head pounded on the concrete sidewalk and then shoots TM, but his body is laying over in the grass away from the sidewalk.

Can anyone explain this to me? TIA

 

[Horace Finklestein]

So, I guess there was no court trial for that settlement?

I don't think so. Not sure. I think if it's a settlement, they just got a huge check without having to go to trial. jmo.