George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #7

[ncgramma]

Wow so GZ wanted to be a cop. Therefore he was definitely out to murder TM?

Hmm will we get to see TM's academic performance as well? This is beyond absurd.

beyond absurd describes a lot of the misdirected discussions today

 

[Karmady]

We haven't heard the medical examiner's testimony yet so we don't know anything about the condition of TM body or his hands or whether or not he was under the influence of an illegal substance.

Plus, I think MMA style blows don't necessarily cause the same type of injuries to the aggressor as punches do. I think we'll hear more about that in the defense's case. So, one sucker punch to the nose followed by MMA blows could result in on injury to one hand and maybe other injuries that would not be observed on a dead body (like bruising). All jmo

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Exactly. And the defense hasn't even begun its case.

That is the scary part to me.. That this has been the states case and yet has looking like the defense case.. OMO

 

[PaintingAnemone]

During WW2 my father enlisted in the army at 17. They didn't think he was a boy apparently. JMO

A 17 year old is not allowed to enlist (or do many other things) without parental permission. That's because a 17 year old is still considered a child.

 

[AngelWings444]

And 6'3" tall according to that article...wow, guess the ME got that way wrong.

So, we should believe the media and not the ME? :floorlaugh: The ME is correct, Trayvon was not even 6 feet. There is a link somewhere to the autopsy report somewhere around here. :facepalm: :twocents:

 

[missmazzy]

And he did ride-alongs...convict him!! My daughter has done some ride-alongs and has no interest in becoming a leo. jmo

I thought the ride alongs were part of the NW training?

 

[LambChop]

IMO common sense tells me that IF TM had a weapon of any kind he would have been using it and not his fist!
Also I have endured beatings on carpet that left wounds far surpassing GZ so his wounds have always looked extremely minor too me.
Some think it is significant that TM has no injuries from GZ hitting him.And it is significant in that it tells us that GZ didn't even try to fight back or block his blows because he went straight for his gun!
Like I said IF TM had a weapon he would have been using it so GZ logicly had to know TM had NO WEAPON!

ps.Hey George I got weekly beatings from my momma when I was ten that make your wounds look like "love pats"!

Could it have been that George was trying to hold onto TM and TM was trying to get away and that is why the witnesses could see TM's arms moving? I could see TM hitting George to get him to let go of TM. Has there been any questions asked as to what George was doing with him arms?

From what I can see so far this really appears to be a severe lack of communication because of fear on both their parts. GZ never identified himself and nor apparently did TM. TM felt he was being followed and GZ feeling TM was a suspect. Very sad this had to have happen. jmo

 

[PaperDoll]

And if TM hadn't attacked GZ, he wouldn't have been killed IMO.

No, I don't buy that, as other people have mentioned, GZ KNEW the police were coming so the police would break up the fight. so no, I don't think for one minute TM would have killed GZ.. People get in fights and survive. GZ took training in self defense didn't he? GZ was able to get his gun out and use it, if he were being beaten to death, he would never have been able to do that, IMO..

 

[TXN4LIFE]

Does anyone know of a website that is a discussion just for the trial? I cannot listen at work, and yahoo had a live feed, and a live chat that was JUST about what was happening in the trial at the time. It seems they no longer have the live chat. I try to follow here when I can, but there's too much discussion about things that haven't been brought up yet in the trial and just posts here and there about maybe what someone just said on the stand.

Thanks for your help! I really want to know what is currently happening!!

 

[costalpilot]

Those alleged incidents are not coming into this trial. It's been ruled on. I don't think we should go there here, because people will bring up GZ past history of violence etc..

Until it comes into the trial, I think we should leave it alone. JMO

are they "alleged incidents" or facts?

just because they aren't allowed into evidence doesnt mean we cant factor them into our opinion. (imo) or am I missing something?

 

[missmazzy]

JMO Fox news producer had informed Megan Kelly while Dr Valerie Rao was on the stand about her prior complaints from co-workers,ie: washing feet in autopsy tub, not wearing gloves, unnecessary work to generate revenue etc I remember this article in the newspaper a few years ago. Wonder why they used her? JMO

She owed someone a favor? Just speculating.

 

[gxm]

During WW2 my father enlisted in the army at 17. They didn't think he was a boy apparently. JMO

Yep. During WW2, my father left home and joined the Merchant Marines at 16.

 

[tpatte021]

This is again, JMO. Having volunteered in my kids schools for over 20 years and observing first hand the degree to which parents these days go to condone the actions of their children rather then holding them responsible for their own actions, yes. If I had a troubled kid, one who got suspended from school numerous times, I'd know if my kid had the propensity to get into trouble. On the few occasions issues concerning my kids, brought to my attention, I took care of the problem immediately, so as to not let my kid get to the point where they didn't accept responsibility for their actions. I read someones remark in these threads awhile back today. I'd said the exact same words to my own kid when they were young. "Don't try to tell me so and so MADE you do something!" "Nobody but YOU are responsible for your actions." "Nobody but you can get you into trouble!" "So don't try to tell me otherwise." MOO Me personally finds it telling that when Tracy Martin couldn't locate his son the following day he called the cops to see if he'd been arrested. If one of my kids was *missing*, I never thought of calling to see if they'd been arrested. I called friends parents, hospitals, worried about a plethora of stuff, but not 'gee, has my kid been arrested.' That one never crossed my mind. MOO JMO

IMO - you are again missing the point...injecting what TM's Dad did or didn't do into your opinion is just biasing it. If this was your unarmed kid, and he had no marks on his body to suggest he was beating up the man that shot him, and the only person that says your son started the fight is the person that shot him...I don't think anyone would be OK with that.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

"Beth Karas ‏@BethKaras 2m
The extent of Zimmerman's injuries are irrelevant. The issue is whether he was reasonable in believing he needed to use deadly force."

Man I miss her....

 

[Karmady]

So, we should believe the media and not the ME? :floorlaugh: The ME is correct, Trayvon was not even 6 feet. There is a link somewhere to the autopsy report somewhere around here. :facepalm: :twocents:

That's what I gathered from the OP. That we were to believe what was said in the article posted. I disagree with that proposition, as you will see if you continue reading and come across my second post on the subject. I don't think we can believe any of it. jmo

 

[gxm]

A 17 year old is not allowed to enlist (or do many other things) without parental permission. That's because a 17 year old is still considered a child.

Things were different in WW2. My dad joined the Merchant Marines at 16.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

No, I don't buy that, as other people have mentioned, GZ KNEW the police were coming so the police would break up the fight. so no, I don't think for one minute TM would have killed GZ.. People get in fights and survive. GZ took training in self defense didn't he? GZ was able to get his gun out and use it, if he were being beaten to death, he would never have been able to do that, IMO..

The point is what you believe is irrelevant. What I believe is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what GZ believed in that moment. OMO

 

[William N]

It seems that now, wanting to be a cop is indicative of something nefarious. I hate that so much is being allowed in about GZ and not about TM.

Absolutely. From the start IMO TM has been treated like a defendant. In other words, his past behavior cannot be mentioned. For example, being suspended from school.

Also, the most compelling evidence, the photos of GZ's head injuries, are part of the defense case, about which the state tries to raise doubt. The roles seem reversed.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

That's what I gathered from the OP. That we were to believe what was said in the article posted. I disagree with that proposition, as you will see if you continue reading and come across my second post on the subject. I don't think we can believe any of it. jmo

He was at least 6 ft in shoes. That is what matters It is not like 5"11 made him my height.. 5'6"..

He was still 5'11 in bare feet at least 6 ft in shoes. That is a big guy. OMO

 

[Karmady]

This is a cross examination in a murder trial.

And a mighty genteel one at that, imo.