George's Possible "Suicide" Letter

[TxLady2]

I don't think suicide is a crime..... who would they prosecute? The 'criminal' is dead.
Attempted suicide... maybe. But they generally end up in a psych ward, not jail. And once they are 'cured'... they go home, not to prison.
None of us can know for sure whether George really intended to kill himself at some point, or not. But he certainly had enough reasons to. Try going through what this family has for the past 6 months, and see if it doesn't tear your emotions apart. People kill themselves for a lot less reasons.

 

[Brini]

:laugh:

did your nursing school have a degree program that offered a "nurse of decomposition" certificate?


:crazy:

LOLOLOLOLOL! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[marla]

One more thing...George knows full good and well that his family is under INTENSE scrutiny and that ANYTHING that they do, say OR write has the potential to wind up on national television. KNOWING this he is well aware that IF he did something like this is was going to be blasted across front page news in a matter of hours-whether he was successful or not. He KNEW this and that is why I think it was simply a ploy for attention, or a diversion...I do not believe he was ACTUALLY going to kill himself.

I don't think he was going to kill himself either ..
The man is weak, has no backbone, isn't a productive member of his family ..

The guilt was getting to him ..

 

[marla]

Then just don't read it...simple.



The problem with the attention seekers, they actually MAY make the attempt, ie: take SOME drugs, make non-lethal cuts to themselves, whatever their method, they may engage in suicide-like behaviors without actually INTENDING to die. OR they actually may over-dose, but not until they have made good and sure that someone will find them in time. I have seen nothing to lead me to believe that this was a genuine suicide attempt...as most of THOSE end in death.

4 beers and a few pills do not make a suicide attempt ..
This was just more, "poor me" ..

 

[TxLady2]

The fact is, if George HAD committed suicide, then there would be no question if we would see the note or not: it would become a matter of public record in the due course of time, because suicide is a criminal offense. An ATTEMPTED crime, to me, is still a criminal act, and especially if done by someone who is already in the public eye, then subject to any and all scrutiny that any other attempted or completed crime would be subjected unto. I am not one of those who follows the "oh poor him" philosophy. I see suicide as the ultimate weakness and cowardice, and that the person committing the act does not have a feeling in their heart for the pain that will be left for OTHERS who live on after their act of self destruction. It is a heartless and cruel thing to do to your family and all who care for you, and leaves THEM to suffer while he who dies escapes ALL feeling. It is an unjust way to punish those who remain and do not see suicide as an option. I am sorry, but I have no sympathy for it whatsoever and see it as a HUGE slap in the face to those that love you.

You are right, in theory, but I do have sympathy for someone who does this, because they had to have a reason. People don't commit suicide just for the hell of it, they have to feel that they can't go on living for some reason or other so it makes me sad and angry and yet sympathetic for them at the same time. Cowardly? Well, that's a matter of opinion. I would think it takes a lot of guts to actually go through with it. It might be cowardly to want to leave this earth and everyone you love, knowing they will suffer your loss.... but to actually do the deed and make it successful takes some will power and strength. After all... dying is not easy... it's the living that is the hard part. I wanted to kill myself several times, years ago, when I was going through some terrible times. I never really tried it.... but I did consider the option very seriously. I just could not decide HOW I wanted to go. But, thankfully, I decided that I had more to live for, so I talked about it with people who cared, and they talked me out of it. They made me see that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
IMO, it is fruitless to be angry with someone who contemplates suicide, because we don't know what is in their minds and what drives them to want to end their life. We can all pretty much figure it out with George, so in essence, I think he deserves at least some caring and concern.

 

[colette]

Just more Anthony family drama IMHO. If he really was going to kill himself, why send texts so everyone could find him?

 

[marla]

weak ..
George is a weak man ..

The women in that house probably constantly belittled him ..

Cindy is probably pissed because George made, yet, another feeble attempt at something and couldn't even get that right ..

 

[marla]

Just more Anthony family drama IMHO. If he really was going to kill himself, why send texts so everyone could find him?

Yep ..

~yawn~

Just another snoozer from the Anthony family ..

 

[magnolia]

This is not the first mention of suicide that we have heard in this case is it? We have heard (from Cindy's own mother) that if it were not for Caylee, Cindy had stated she would just kill herself to escape the horror that WAS her life. Early on in the case, we heard that George was having suicidal thoughts. Now, George has actually sent messages that he wanted to be with Caylee and ran away to a motel with medication and alcohol with the potential intention of committing suicide. This is 3 times we have heard suicide from these parents in 6 months. Granted, they are under a tremendous strain, but there has to be some underlying MENTAL issues for a perfectly NORMAL person to become suicidal. Those mental issues should be addressed in them both to determine if they are at risk of trying this in the future.

Personally, and this is just ME and my own personal opinion, born of having a brother and a mother who continually attempted suicide by drug overdoses, suicide is a cowards final solution. It is often used as an attention seeking ploy. And the individual who is doing the "committing suicide" act is no longer in a sound and rational mind, and likely were not sound of mind BEFORE they made the attempt. I hear folks saying attemtping suicide is a cry for help, but MANY MANY MANY times it is purely a PLOY for attention. I have ZERO sympathy for it, and find it to be a cop-out and an excuse.

My burning question in THIS attempt, if that is even what it was, I am leaning toward the "ploy" more than anything, is what was it that was agonizing inside of George that there was nothing in this world that could comfort him? What was SO horrible that his son and his wife and his INNOCENT according to him daughter could not help him through? What was EATING a hole through George so BIG that he wanted to kill himself to stop the hole growing larger? All the lies maybe? Guilt? What DROVE him there, besides the fact that his granddaughter is dead...I mean, she has BEEN dead for 7 months now, so what drove him there NOW is what I am wondering?

You are exactly right MC. I have an inlaw who quite often uses this ploy for attn. or to get his way.

I agree the A's are under a tremendous strain, but I have not heard or read anything that would led me to believe without a doubt that GA was seriously considering taking his life.

Due to his past behavior, I think it is reasonable to question this.

 

[SailorMoon]

there is a thread in the PL about the possibilities of this being staged or not what it appears to be. please take that discussion to the members only area. thank you.

Thanks for letting me know. I didn't know that. I never check the parking lot unless something is pointed out to me. I'll try to check it more often. I really didn't know.

 

[Lexington]

I remember months ago George giving an interview in front of his house and he told the reporter he was thinking about committing suicide. I think it was the same day a limo picked Cindy up for a ride to the station for a TV interview. Did he then go speak to a mental health expert, or did he just want to announce it to the media and the viewing public? Well now he is in a place where he can get help, if he takes it.

 

[jai-yen]

weak ..
George is a weak man ..

The women in that house probably constantly belittled him ..

Cindy is probably pissed because George made, yet, another feeble attempt at something and couldn't even get that right ..

Ugh! Gosh! That's harsh!

This discussion reminds me on some levels of the folks who get out of their cars and chant "jump! jump! jump!" when someone is going to jump off a bridge. It borders on cruelty.

Schadenfruede is extremely unattractive!

I just hope none of us sitting here in our living rooms, sipping coffee and posting to a forum ever have to go through anything like George Anthony has experienced over the past eight months! Weak? I think not!

How about a little compassion?

My two cents...



~Jai-yen


~*

 

[Manny]

Attempting suicide is a crime. As such the documents become public record. That's how it works in my county any way.

And if everything was kept private, then why is there even a WS to begin with? Isn't that why we're all here? To speculate and discuss every aspect of a crime.

Well, I am not a lawyer, but that is the first time I have heard that suicide is a crime. A crime against who>> yourself. Who is the injured party?
I do think it is time for a little human decency. I don't care what he wrote in his suicide note. It is none of my business and adds absolutely nothing to the crime of murder of his grandaughter.
JMHO

 

[marla]

Ugh! Gosh! That's harsh!

This discussion reminds me on some levels of the folks who get out of their cars and chant "jump! jump! jump!" when someone is going to jump off a bridge. It borders on cruelty.

Schadenfruede is extremely unattractive!

I just hope none of us sitting here in our living rooms, sipping coffee and posting to a forum ever have to go through anything like George Anthony has experienced over the past eight months! Weak? I think not!

How about a little compassion?

My two cents...



~Jai-yen


~*

Chanting, jump, jump???
Are you for real???

Compasion is one thing, realism is quite another ..

 

[magic-cat]

It actually is not a crime to commit suicide any longer. It was illegal until the Suicide Act 1961 at which time the law was changed. Until that act a person could be prosecuted if they were not successful, however, now, I imagine they do the involuntary committment to a hospital for evaluation and treatment...so the law must have recognized that it is an unstable mental condition that leads to suicide attempts of any kind, and treatment rather than incarceration is the best choice.

BUT

I still do not believe that George, knowing full well what a media event his attempted or successful suicide would be, should be afforded absolute privacy in this. His ATTORNEY summoned the police. The police were forced to track him through his GPS and text messages. Taxpayer moneys were allotted to these tasks. He was transported by police to the hospital where he was admitted for evaluation and treatment. There was press. He is in the public eye, as this case has dominated media for months on end. Just as a "movie star" is afforded no privacy, neither is George, who has, along with Cindy, placed themselves firmly IN the public eye by their actions, interviews and offers of truth for immunity.

SO

I still do not see why this should be so "private" for George. It stopped being a private affair when the police had to go and find him. At that point it became a public affair and therefore in the public domain of things which can be discussed and debated.

 

[*Hayley*]

weak ..
George is a weak man ..

The women in that house probably constantly belittled him ..

Cindy is probably pissed because George made, yet, another feeble attempt at something and couldn't even get that right ..

Wow, tell us how you really feel.

 

[magic-cat]

I don't think suicide is a crime..... who would they prosecute? The 'criminal' is dead.
Attempted suicide... maybe. But they generally end up in a psych ward, not jail. And once they are 'cured'... they go home, not to prison.
None of us can know for sure whether George really intended to kill himself at some point, or not. But he certainly had enough reasons to. Try going through what this family has for the past 6 months, and see if it doesn't tear your emotions apart. People kill themselves for a lot less reasons.

Hi Txlady...It is no longer a crime...but it used to be. Who they would prosecute is the one who was NOT successful in their bid to take their own life...

As for "reasons" for killing oneself, I do not believe there are ANY reasons, except a terminal illness which is unbearably painful perhaps, but TIME does heal wounds and one who commits suicide does not allow this healing to occur...they are acting on the information of the moment that says to them "It will always feel this way" or "This will never get better" and on and on...But this information is FALSE...Time does heal ALL wounds and makes them less severe, less intense, less sorrowful. There are no reasons to kill oneself, but there are millions of reasons not to:
the sun will still rise and shine on your face tomorrow
someone loves you and will be heartbroken if you are gone
someone is counting on you
there will be singing birds that will give some small amount of peace
there will be another season to plant again
there are memories that will die with you that you need to share
there will be lasagna

ANYTHING is a reason to live...There is only ONE reason to intentionally die: You are too afraid to FACE living with whatever IS your life. Fear is not a good basis for sound decisions.

I have compassion that they have lost their grandchild and that their child did it. But I do not think that George committing suicide would help this situation in the least, and so would not be beneficial for him or his family. He would leave others behind that would be forced to suffer even more because of his choice. It is a vicious cycle and one that should not be begun.

 

[scrabble]

I think it's a shame the way all of this is shown over and over again on Nancy Grace every single night. I wonder how it makes George and Cindy Anthony feel to see Caylee's pictures posted everywhere and have Nancy Grace blasting them repeatedly ever since this sad situation happened.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I haven't seen a thread on this but if there is, roll this on over.

We don't know if the alledged five page "suicide" letter will be released or not but this is what I see available so far:

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/EastVolusia/evlHEAD04EAST012409.htm

The Chief of Police who found George and read the suicide letter left in Georges's car said that he had no doubt that George intended to commit suicide because he wanted to go be with Caylee to make sure that she was protected. I think the Chief of Police would know better then some sources what was in the letter in the car and what George's intentions actually were.

The Chief of Police was talking to Nancy Grace.

 

[Nosey Parker]

I still do not believe that George, knowing full well what a media event his attempted or successful suicide would be, should be afforded absolute privacy in this. His ATTORNEY summoned the police. The police were forced to track him through his GPS and text messages. Taxpayer moneys were allotted to these tasks. He was transported by police to the hospital where he was admitted for evaluation and treatment. There was press. He is in the public eye, as this case has dominated media for months on end. Just as a "movie star" is afforded no privacy, neither is George, who has, along with Cindy, placed themselves firmly IN the public eye by their actions, interviews and offers of truth for immunity.

Respectfully snipped to save space:

Magic-cat, your excellent points actually caused me to change my mind on this. I had felt that George's communications were none of the public's business, but, on reflection, I believe your line of thinking is more appropriate.