Found Deceased Germany - Liam Colgan, 29, Scottish tourist, Hamburg, 10 Feb 2018

[gregjrichards]

I would be very surprised if Liam and the group had travel insurance for this holiday to Europe. Most young people men especially don't bother and take the chance thinking it is unnecessary.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I would be very surprised if Liam and the group had travel insurance for this holiday to Europe. Most young people men especially don't bother and take the chance thinking it is unnecessary.

Agreed. They were only going for a few days so wouldn't need to take many clothes. They'd have used the cameras on their phones if bothering with any sightseeing. I'd guess the only thing of real value they were carrying was cash for booze.

I'm afraid I am of the opinion that British stag and hen parties generally are a blight on European cities.

 

[curiosityscat]

Over here, (✂️SNIP-SNIP✂&#65039Here in the UK many people have basic travel cover included as part of a package of benefits associated with certain bank accounts, though these "bundled" accounts are coming under challenge at present.(✂️SNIP-SNIP✂&#65039

All Good Points, as I was looking at it from a USA perspective...something, which I should have pointed out..as obviously, being in the U.S. I do not purchase UK based Ins coverage...Not surprising that it is somewhat(or as you say, vastly) different...

And just for clarity, my comment about even traveling to Puerto Rico, it wasn’t a knock against P.R.,while not a State in the U.S., it is U.S. territory, and is still considered domestic travel by the U.S. Gov’t..but (dismissing its recent wipeout by hurricane), though it has good medical care, etc, I’d still prefer to ensure I rec’d the same quality of care as found in the U.S., which I’m used to getting.

However, the final points are still valid, which were:
a) that it is unlikely he had such a policy in place, and...
b) no way to know or know what would be involved as it is so specialized per person, w/o actually seeing a Policy Statement of Coverage and/or add’l Ins.Riders..(or as you say c/c bundled documents), whatever documents involved, which that one person has...

***Note:The above is only my own opinions, thoughts, theories; unless otherwise indicated by a website URL and/or reference to an origin source..Thanks!

The TRUTH WILL OUT!, and There will be a Reckoning, in this Life or the Next!

 

[dotr]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/missing-liam-colgans-bandmate-takes-12164945

Missing Liam Colgan's bandmate takes to stage for first time in bid to raise money for search effort

Sean Fleming, who regularly gigged in a duo with Liam, took to the stage in Inverness on Friday for his first gig since his pal disappeared on a stag do in Germany.

Sean Fleming, who played with postman Liam in duo The Old Old Wooden Ship, took to the stage in Inverness on Friday for his first gig since his pal disappeared on a stag do in Germany on February 10.

The concert was part of a weekend of fundraising and tribute events called One For Liam.

Sean, 29, said stand-in Craig Ferguson did a great job but said playing again was tough.

He said: “It’s emotional to take to the stage without Liam but it’s part of the fundraising effort so it’s very worthwhile.

“We hold on to the hope that he is out there somewhere and will be found. All his friends and
family are desperate for news.”

It would be amazing to play a gig with Liam in Hamburg to help all the people who have been so kind there. We are desperate for the breakthrough – we all want him back.” Friends who studied with Liam and Sean at Perth College were on stage at Encore last night as part of the weekend event.

Sean, a drum and guitar tutor from Inverness, said: “Liam’s a very talented musician. We did cover versions and called ourselves The Old Old Wooden Ship, a reference to a joke from the film Anchorman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmj9HnbdhTc
The Old Old Wooden Ship, a reference to a joke from the film Anchorman.

 

[dotr]

Also posted this on another ( formerly missing, found safe ) persons thread.
Stranger things have happened, hoping for a similar outcome for Liam!

http://canoe.com/news/world/man-of-m...nd-weeks-later
March 11 2018.

NEW YORK — For weeks, an Uzbek tourist who had come to the country to visit his daughter was a man of mystery.

Sabirjon Akhmedov spent weeks in a Manhattan hospital after being found unconscious in a park three days after he was supposed to get on a bus to his daughter’s Ohio home, the Daily News reported. He was ultimately reunited with his family after a doctor saw a missing person poster for him, and contacted authorities.

In the meantime, a jogger called authorities on Aug. 6 about a man she saw near 110th Street and Riverside Drive, miles from where Akhmedov had been. He was taken to a nearby hospital with a traumatic brain injury and lacking any form of identification. He had some Uzbek currency with him.

He underwent a tracheotomy, and some weeks later, gave Arif what sounded like a name. An internet search turned up the missing person poster

.

He still has no recollection of what happened to him during the three days he was missing.

 

[cybervampira]

This German article says that police believes an accident happened and that other scenarios can likely be excluded.

Quickly translated, sorry for any mistakes:

Liam‘s brother will return to Hamburg this week to continue with the search. Many outside the family involved with the search believe it would be a wonder finding Liam alive as there so far has only been one sign of life which was on the day of his disappearance.

Police have checked many „sightings“ (20 since 10th February). Police says not all of them were to the best knowledge and belief. The female tipsters from Buxtehude had a history of complaining to the police or giving leads to police exceptionally often. Some leads were vague, some were odd.

Often, possible witnesses accounts came in too late to check surveillance cameras. There has never been a hot lead. Searches with mantrailers, especially in the Buxtehude area, did not provide any reliable information. That one of the dogs picked up a scent in Buxtehude over a small distance may simply have been a mistake made by the dog, investigators said.

Other investigations petered out. In the first days of the search, the police had three theories: The 29-year-old has amnesia, he has deliberately disappeared or he had an accident. Two assumptions are largely off the table. An amnesia, so medical specialists who were called in said, was conceivable, but would not last so long. In addition, as the police are sure, the Scot, who has no contacts in Germany and does not speak German, would have been noticed somewhere.

Police also does not believe the postie from the historic Inverness, a city of about 50,000 inhabitants on the northeast coast of Scotland, just disappeared to start a new life. Not conspicuously much had been withdrawn from the Scot’s private accounts prior to the trip to Germany - although he has the money for it in the bank. Likewise the motive is missing.

„We do not have anything to get going at the moment", says the police, who said the recent distribution of 300,000 leaflets with the help of German Postal Service has not given any leads. The image of the Scot had previously been shown on digital billboards in public transport. The leaflets brought hints - but none of them was really useful. For example, a man had stated that he had recognized Liam Colgan based on the tip of his nose - but he could not see more because of the hood. The incoming tips, according to the police, have become more and more unclear in the course of time.

The only real sign of life is still the recording from a surveillance camera at Gruner & Jahr at the Michelwiese. It shows the Scotsman at 2:20 am on the night of Saturday, February 10th. About 50 minutes earlier, his disappearance from the pub "Hamborger Veermaster" on the Reeperbahn, where he was celebrating his brother's bachelor party with friends, was noticed. The pictures show a completely drunk, almost disoriented man. A witness who reported to the police wants to have helped the 29-year-old nearby to get back on his feet after he fell.

Images taken by another camera near the St. Michael‘s church could also show Liam, but clearly he is not recognizable.

https://www.abendblatt.de/hamburg/a...er-Schotte-Polizei-vermutet-ein-Unglueck.html

 

[Ironside]

"The female tipsters from Buxtehude had a history of complaining to the police or giving leads to police exceptionally often"

How disgustingly cruel to the family. These people are why I don't trust reported sightings.

 

[Hap]

If the worst had happened (and I hope not) ... how long til a body would surface in the cold water? I apologize for even asking this.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

If the worst had happened (and I hope not) ... how long til a body would surface in the cold water? I apologize for even asking this.

This is a useful resource:

http://www.operationtakemehome.org/sar/Fire and Rescue Personnel/Biology of drowning.pdf

When a drowning occurs in a river, the most common mistake is to search for the body too far downstream. Sinking takes place immediately, which results in the victim reaching the bottom close to the point he was last seen on the surface. When the body begins to rise, it will appear on the surface not far from where it disappeared.

and

It is rare that a victim is found downstream more than a few hundred yards from where it disappeared, and more often than not the body is recovered in close proximity to where it disappeared.

So allowing for the water temperature and passage of time his body should surface any time around now if indeed he went into the river.

 

[cybervampira]

If the worst had happened (and I hope not) ... how long til a body would surface in the cold water? I apologize for even asking this.

Here‘s another article offering some details about drowning in water (bear in mind that the Elbe currently has a temperature of approx. 1.5 °C / 34.7 Fahrenheit and it has even been colder previously):
https://www.scienceabc.com/eyeopeners/why-do-corpses-float.html

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Here‘s another article offering some details about drowning in water (bear in mind that the Elbe currently has a temperature of approx. 1.5 °C / 34.7 Fahrenheit and it has even been colder previously):
https://www.scienceabc.com/eyeopeners/why-do-corpses-float.html

I have wondered occasionally whether piercing the abdomen would allow decomposition gases to escape as they are produced and therefore prevent the body rising to the surface. It's not the sort of thing you can test very easily.

 

[RosalindaA]

I have wondered occasionally whether piercing the abdomen would allow decomposition gases to escape as they are produced and therefore prevent the body rising to the surface. It's not the sort of thing you can test very easily.

I remember (whilst trying not to retch) the lovely Jason Autry talking about this when he was testifying about how he and Adams were going to put Holly Bobo's body in a river, there was something he knew to do to stop the gases building up/stop floating, delay/prevent the discovery of a body. I'm guessing he is an expert on this.

I just think the Elbe is so huge, the port has so much traffic of large vessels that it would be highly likely that not all bodies would be found? It's very hard for the families when their loved ones go missing in areas which are so hard to search with any degree of certainty, big stretches of water, large forests, mountainous areas, deserts. There are many missing peple who are probably out there somewhere but finding them is an almost impossible task. It's a grim thing to think about, praying that that is not what's going to happen for Liam and his family.

There's always hope whilst nothing is found, stranger things have happened and if perhaps Liam has had a mental health crisis (head injury, alcohol, etc) he may be very paranoid and actively hiding out somewhere. I know it is unlikely but if he was my brother I would keep believing that until I knew different.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I remember (whilst trying not to retch) the lovely Jason Autry talking about this when he was testifying about how he and Adams were going to put Holly Bobo's body in a river, there was something he knew to do to stop the gases building up/stop floating, delay/prevent the discovery of a body. I'm guessing he is an expert on this.

I just think the Elbe is so huge, the port has so much traffic of large vessels that it would be highly likely that not all bodies would be found? It's very hard for the families when their loved ones go missing in areas which are so hard to search with any degree of certainty, big stretches of water, large forests, mountainous areas, deserts. There are many missing peple who are probably out there somewhere but finding them is an almost impossible task. It's a grim thing to think about, praying that that is not what's going to happen for Liam and his family.

There's always hope whilst nothing is found, stranger things have happened and if perhaps Liam has had a mental health crisis (head injury, alcohol, etc) he may be very paranoid and actively hiding out somewhere. I know it is unlikely but if he was my brother I would keep believing that until I knew different.

And this is the approach I am taking to this case. All the above postings are very logical, and most likely accurate. However, I can't shake the feeling that he is still amongst us. How I hope that is so, despite that logic suggests otherwise.
I'm still holding to the theory that this disappearance is related to a matter of the heart. I have seen weddings bring forth some strong harbored feelings.

Liam, I'm still counting on you being alive. Time to go home now!

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I'm afraid I am of the opinion that British stag and hen parties generally are a blight on European cities.

I rest my case.

Eight Brits are arrested for using train floor as a toilet and starting a mass brawl during stag do in Amsterdam

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5490103/Eight-Brits-arrested-defecating-train-floors.html

 

[rosesfromangels]

I rest my case.

Eight Brits are arrested for using train floor as a toilet and starting a mass brawl during stag do in Amsterdam

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5490103/Eight-Brits-arrested-defecating-train-floors.html

Their mums must be so proud...

 

[silverjug]

Their mums must be so proud...

Quite frankly I hang my head in shame. Tougher action is needed by our Government with these yobs., however there is so much of you cannot do this or that because it might hurt the little treasures feelings. They need stiff sentences with hard labour, no gym, no television just enough to survive.

 

[RosalindaA]

An old friend of Liam's from Perth college has shared a clip of him performing in 2012 when he stepped in to help her out https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/ne...ing-hamburg-stag-do-gig-college-ali-pibworth/

It's good of people to keep contributing things to the media, understandably they can't just keep repeating the same information when sadly at the moment there isn't much progress. The Scottish Sun seems to be really trying to keep his story out there.

 

[altojack]

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And this is the approach I am taking to this case. All the above postings are very logical, and most likely accurate. However, I can't shake the feeling that he is still amongst us. How I hope that is so, despite that logic suggests otherwise.
I'm still holding to the theory that this disappearance is related to a matter of the heart. I have seen weddings bring forth some strong harbored feelings.

Liam, I'm still counting on you being alive. Time to go home now!

oh how I live in hope your feeling is strong enough for the both of us. I’m desperate for him to be found alive but time is ticking on and it worries me now.

 

[rosesfromangels]

oh how I live in hope your feeling is strong enough for the both of us. I’m desperate for him to be found alive but time is ticking on and it worries me now.

As long as no remains have been found, there is a shred of of possibility he is still alive. That’s enough for me. Keep the faith.

 

[scandinavian girl]

he is a great singer, this made sad and a little tearyeyed, please come back and sing for us.