Found Alive Germany - Maria-Brigitte Henselmann, 13, Freiburg, 4 May 2013

  • #161
I really don't like the way there has been so little information released about Haase. I wonder if there could be something in his background or history that's important?
Yes, there doesn't seem to be any information (in the media). He's seems to have had a decent job in long term employment and had a Political association - not much more than that has come out.
I think the focus has been on bringing Maria home - so as not to cause any panic about her disappearance, but it is worrying.

I'm also very worried about the way he has been so reckless - he has thrown away his marriage, his career, his name, his home.......and now he has a 13-year-old girl in his 'care'. She needs to be found soon.
He has also taken from Maria her family and friends, her education, and her lifestyle. All of Marias support mechanisms - she is now been isolated from them. That's the part which yells 'risk' to me. His irresponsibility is criminal.

Here is a link for online TV covering Freiburg news - not sure if it can also be viewed in the US. I think the last news they ran about Maria was about May 15th though. :(
http://www.tv-suedbaden.de/TV/Mediathek/Suedbaden-Aktuell/Seite/
No, I couldn't get it to work here either.

This non-profit for children is highlighting Maria's case, so that's good news.
https://www.facebook.com/ECPATgermany
Thanks for the link to this.

There is a flooding in a lot of areas of areas of Germany at the moment and many emergency services are at full stretch. I am afraid news about Maria may be getting pushed to the back - or maybe there just isn't any further news.
Though something like the floods could surface them - if they're still in Germany. The may have to move. I have wondered if they are still in Germany though.
 
  • #162
I can't link youtube on this ipad, but Deutschland TV has put a very short message about Maria up. They have used a pic where she looks 13, in my opinion, but they have also put in English, 'Wanted!'

The publicity is great, but I do wish they hadn't used the wanted word - English speakers may get the impression she is a criminal.

The youtube can be found under 'Maria Henselmann wird dringend gesucht!!!' If anyone can link it, thank you.

Guten Nacht, Maria. We will not give up searching for you, you know. We will find you.
 
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  • #164
It would be wise to go for english/italian/hungarian/etc with Maria missing ads. They might be outside deutch speaking parts of EU already.

This is only guesswork without any hard data but it would seem Bernhard is smart or very lucky. And emotional. I am leaning towards smart and emotional. And I gotta feeling that Maria is a smart person too.

Putting together 2 different kind of smart persons pulling it together in a situation like this means they have 99% sure fled the deutch speaking countries. Due to the language barrier they don't get much eye witnesses in other areas. So maybe they are now in Italy or maybe some eastern EU country?

Here is some amateur profiling:

Bernhard (and maybe Maria) must be super smart and have it all figured out to make it out of this. But that is not likely for a normal electrician worker.. unless lazyness is the reason for his lack of more education. Seeing his history would tell this.

They would not have been together in Bern publicly looking horses and Bernhard would not most definately have stroked Maria's thigh with others looking if his reason came before his emotions. That was simply stupid (if it really was Bernhard and Maria) or over emotional. Bernhard can still be very smart but also over sensitive and blinded over Maria and was doing what he did because Maria told him to.

I would take this public begavior as a good sign. A psycopath would not have done this. A sensitive, childish-inside-guy would.

Maria's position on this is a mystery because we've got no clue on her personality, relationship with mom and friends, strength of will, how smart she is etc. She may have a great effect on all of this and I truly hope her mom really loved and gave her attention to her when she was around. Otherwise she wants to go away and not be found. She has no home to return to and Bernhard is the only one who cares for him, after all he gave up all he got for Maria.

I would really like to help in profiling if anyone would find it helpful. So if someone involved in this would like some fresh views I am all yours.
 
  • #165
Danke for the link, Schmae!

Lexx, I was thinking as a former political figure, Haase is likely to be confident and possibly be multilingual? Familiar with travelling abroad? Even if he is not highly educated. I seem to remember there was some information that a business Haase worked for is based in Ireland, although I don't think that was confirmed. Maria will have studied english too; maybe french as well.

So anyway, I can understand why Haase might have the confidence to have taken Maria away to another country. But I just cannot think what his plan is for the future. Where he thinks they will live, how he will work and what Maria will do?

Do you have any thoughts on this?
 
  • #166
So far I have no response on the dog and wonder if he dumped the dog in a shelter/ rescue org.They always check the micro chip.
Normally a breed dog doesn't live very long
 
  • #167
I can't link youtube on this ipad, but Deutschland TV has put a very short message about Maria up. They have used a pic where she looks 13, in my opinion, but they have also put in English, 'Wanted!'
:facepalm:
They put that word on the wrong persons picture - Haase *cough

The publicity is great, but I do wish they hadn't used the wanted word - English speakers may get the impression she is a criminal.
Yes, it could do with a better video.

The youtube can be found under 'Maria Henselmann wird dringend gesucht!!!' If anyone can link it, thank you.

I think its the same video as above.
*(I posted the link but the full video keeps appearing so it edited it from my thread)

Guten Nacht, Maria. We will not give up searching for you, you know. We will find you.
Indeed we will.
Be safe Maria.
 
  • #168
It would be wise to go for english/italian/hungarian/etc with Maria missing ads. They might be outside deutch speaking parts of EU already.
They have posted over 19,000 posters in 27 languages world wide, which is not a bad attempt at getting the message out there. :)

In regard to the sightings of Maria and Haase - there was a media report saying that the sighting in Bern had not been confirmed. I think some of the problems with the sightings is that they were 2 weeks old when they were reported.

I wonder how long it will be before authorities start doing some serious repetitive media coverage on this case - It seems to be to be more as an opportunistic abduction of a minor - regardless of how 'voluntary' anything was on Maria's behalf.

I don't think Maria meant or thought that she would be away for this long.
 
  • #169
It seems there is a TV broadcast which includes Maria's case - (the translation into English seems to be wrong - if someone can re-translate the heading I'd be grateful - thanks)

Blomberg / Paderborn
Two cases of unresolved today in OWL "CERTIFICATE XY"

SOURCE LINK
Wednesday 05 June 2013 - 09:45 clock
Paderborn / Blomberg / Freiburg (WB). "Where is my child?" Is the special edition of the program "Mystery still unresolved," which begins tonight at 20.15 clock on ZDF. Two cases related to East Westphalia-Lippe are discussed therein.

Since the 4th May missing from the 13-year-old Maria Henselmann from Freiburg and her 53 years old acquaintances Bernhard Haase from Blomberg (Lippe) each track. After the two is now gefahndet world. On the 53-year-olds an international arrest warrant is issued. The allegation is on child abduction in a very serious case and child sexual abuse. Read more about this.

There is a new Facebook Page for Maria - the other public one seems to have closed - you need to sign in to FB to see the Page.
url Bitte Findet Maria (new - merged)
 
  • #170
Lexx, I was thinking as a former political figure, Haase is likely to be confident and possibly be multilingual? Familiar with travelling abroad? Even if he is not highly educated. I seem to remember there was some information that a business Haase worked for is based in Ireland, although I don't think that was confirmed. Maria will have studied english too; maybe french as well.

Almost forgot his politics career, thanks for pointing that out.

Being a politician must give him confidence, social skills and even a network of people to help him. He must know the system and he's gotta have some understanding to get to that position. He must be very convincing in discussion and he should be able to arrange things better than most of us. At least my common sense tells me this.

Politician might also be in an optimal place to some favors like getting forged IDs? He knew he was going on the dark side so getting the IDs / arranging other stuff would not make a difference anymore. What kind of political party was he in? Some parties might have people with different priorities and higher loyality.

So anyway, I can understand why Haase might have the confidence to have taken Maria away to another country. But I just cannot think what his plan is for the future. Where he thinks they will live, how he will work and what Maria will do?

Do you have any thoughts on this?

If I would have to dissappear the first thing I would try to do is to get new IDs, go 2000km away and board a plane to never-never-land. I don't know if ID's are possible to have like that but I would surely try.

Bernhard Haase has no future in his old life anymore but he is an experienced man and he must have planned this somehow. I cannot see any other way than to go far away with possible new identity and new life, set up a coffee shop and live on. I just cannot see him being so stupid and do this without any planning unless he was ready to commit suicide.

This kind of man doing this kind of act, giving up his life, work, wife, reputation, becoming a fugitive, possibly a sex criminal. That is really hard to explain with other than blind passion and extreme boredom of his current life. And maybe even pleas from Maria to run away? Still it sounds like a nightmare.

Or maybe he's just super bored of his life, work, wife, everything and wanted this last moment of passion not caring about what happens next? But now after the biggest flame has burned out he has started to plan desperately driving somewhere in southern EU trying to find a way to hide and thinking what to do when money runs out.

If only we could know of his and her life more. That would clear up many things.
 
  • #171
They have posted over 19,000 posters in 27 languages world wide, which is not a bad attempt at getting the message out there. :)

In regard to the sightings of Maria and Haase - there was a media report saying that the sighting in Bern had not been confirmed. I think some of the problems with the sightings is that they were 2 weeks old when they were reported.

I wonder how long it will be before authorities start doing some serious repetitive media coverage on this case - It seems to be to be more as an opportunistic abduction of a minor - regardless of how 'voluntary' anything was on Maria's behalf.

I don't think Maria meant or thought that she would be away for this long.

Wow that is very very serious effort. I just reported based on my googling of "Maria Bernhard Haase" which seemed to return german articles. And the primary match of suche maria page is also only german.
 
  • #172
http://fudder.de/artikel/2013/06/05...chen-xy-sucht-nach-13-jaehriger-freiburgerin/

The case has been presented in a TV show. That should speed things up since they got some new leads after that, if I understood correctly.

Also the Bern sightings have been proven to be false.. which reminds us of a sad fact that every crime has symphatizers and some people can actually make false reports to help the criminals.
 
  • #173
Hes' a former politician? Perhaps other pols that worked with him should be making some PLEADINGS to him to give himself up ?
 
  • #174
Yes, That's why I can't understand the lack of info about him. I am not surprised I haven't been able to discover any archive newspapers articles about him, because I don't have the language skills to search.

But the newspapers must know they have them, so I am surprised they haven't mentioned more details of his history. Going from political figure to electrical worker seems a strange step to me. I wonder if something happened? Some similar behaviour to what has happened with Maria?
 
  • #175
Police have released an Updated photo of Berhard Haase (attachment below)

TV show:
SOURCE: NW-NEWS.DE
In the article itself had clearly ailing mother of the girl, Monika Beisler, turned over a video message directly to the alleged hijackers and repeatedly asked him to bring back her daughter.
Their message:
"Mr. Haase, for over four weeks, you are my daughter on the run. Mr. Haase, since over four weeks knows neither her family nor her friends, nor I, as it currently is Maria. Mr. Haase, my daughter is 13 years old and had very definite ideas about how they might make their lives . these ideas you destroy degree. 'Please bring my child home. "

Meanwhile, the Freiburg CID has released an updated picture of the sought an international arrest warrant Blombergers Bernhard Haase. It sees the 53-year-old, who is married and has two grown daughters and lived with his family in Kalletal to early April, significantly younger and neat look as on the previous mugshot. , the 53-year-old, so media report, is to become known took off his relationship with the 40-year younger Maria from home and lived for four weeks with his mother in Blomberg.

During this time he has apparently planned to escape together with Mary.
 

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  • #177
Oh boy she's really looking only 13 in that last pic. I wonder if her ' relationship ' with him is what prompted her to use more makeup. Where can they be ?
 
  • #178
Police have released an Updated photo of Berhard Haase (attachment below)

TV show:
SOURCE: NW-NEWS.DE

That's fantastic, he looks completely different from the other photo. But why on earth has it taken so long to get the picture out there?........Grrrrrr.
 
  • #179
I would not be surprised at all to discover in another month that Haase has strong links with another country, or is very fluent in another language.

The police really should be releasing more information about him now. They must have it. I am certain it's not Maria deciding where they should hide out. The clues will lie in Haase's history somewhere, I'm sure.

And the dog is just a total, total mystery. It must be somewhere.
 
  • #180
That's fantastic, he looks completely different from the other photo. But why on earth has it taken so long to get the picture out there?........Grrrrrr.

There is much I don't understand about the way this has been handled. The family has done an enormous amount of work to spread the word about Maria's disappearance.

I think they (Police) can ask all they want for Maria to 'go home' but I dont think that will be entirely up to her - she is at risk. Asking her to 'run away and go back home' from this man may place her in danger, and she is possibly isolated / and on the run - no phone, no money, no transport, no security, no support system. Who knows what Haase has told her. She may have not had internet access and has been kept away from any of this searching for her. I doubt he would let her see how frantic her family are to find her and how much she is loved and missed by them and others.

The focus should be after Haase and whoever is covering up his whereabouts

... I have no doubt he has help in this - (just my speculation there). They need a reward put out for his capture and Maria's return.

:please:
 

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