Found Alive Germany - Maria-Brigitte Henselmann, 13, Freiburg, 4 May 2013

[Littlegreenlady]

As I read the thread from beginning to end I could not shake the feeling I was reading "Lolita" in real time. Each development seemed sadly unsurprising; Nabokov knew the mind of this sort of predator. I felt ill as I pictured scenes from the novel being described in the articles. it also gave rise to more questions. Did Haase tell Maria that he had contacted her mother and reassured her everything was fine, which lead Maria to believe that her mother was either approving or unconcerned or indifferent to the situation? Reassuring lies about Maria's mother could increase his power over her and alleviate possible guilt she feels. Alternatively, he could feed into feelings of anger and resentment for her mother which would fuel his psychological control.

Oh God, another thought, what if she ends up pregnant?
I take some solace that he left the dog in someone's yard to be found rather than killed or left to die somewhere.
Also, I very much believe he has the help of friends inclined to similar proclivities. He made friends with little girls online, participated in political forums, dog breeding boards, why not fellow pedophiles as well?

Perhaps Nabokov had an unpublished draft of "Lolita" that concluded as swiftly and painlessly as possible and Maria will be home soon.

{All my own humble opinion.}

That's a very good point, flauberry. It would make sense in a way if she has been told that her mum knows where she is.

I wonder what is going through her mind. She obviously was happy to spend the weekend with him - and I would hazard a guess she was happy enough to go away with him. Did she know how it would be? Was she told something else? If she thinks her mum knows where she is, it would perhaps explain why she has not tried to escape or pass a message to her.

I read Lolita many years ago but there are a lot of similarities. I remember it as a very sad book.

 

[FigTree]

Did she know how it would be? Was she told something else? If she thinks her mum knows where she is, it would perhaps explain why she has not tried to escape or pass a message to her.

Respectfully snipped by me...
The writings below are just my :twocents: speculative worth...

The way I see it, Haase has lied to her from the very beginning - under the alias of Charlie in the online chatroom - he did this with great calculation.
I doubt that Maria had access to the internet after she was taken - but I agree with what you say, he could have told her anything regarding her mother, Police, searches - to get her to go with him and to stay on the run. He would have brainwashed her for his own purposes and it started from day one when she became his target.

Maria may have been/maybe experiencing a form of syndrome - something akin to Stockholm Syndrome...

Stockholm syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia -

The differences I see in this case is where a predator has groomed a victim through psychological alignment using empathy, understanding and kindness to gain control and trust and friendship, first - prior to kidnapping them. He has also put himself in the position of saviour, hero and rescuer - and in doing so, the action of him kidnapping Maria has been blurred between a voluntary and willing response on Maria's behalf to go with him.
He did none of this for her sake - only for his own.
He had Maria 'on his side' before he made the move to out himself as a fat bald guy instead of a teenage boy..
For her to meet with him in secret...
And to be seen by her as her knight in shining armour by planning and plotting to take her away from her regular 13 year old life - to kidnap her with out incident and allowing a 2 day window to pass before anyone realized she was Missing.

One commonly used hypothesis to explain the effect of Stockholm syndrome is based on Freudian theory. It suggests that the bonding is the individual's response to trauma in becoming a victim. Identifying with the aggressor is one way that the ego defends itself. When a victim believes the same values as the aggressor, they cease to be a threat.[5]

The difference here maybe that his aggressiveness was mental - and it may not have been apparently aggressive but he was goal focused enough to do what he set out to do - isolate the victim - whatever the means. More like a passive aggressive (and psychopath) approach. He was able also to get Maria to keep 'their secrets' - and get her to deceive her mother.

He was a known Pedophile - he gained trust from those around Maria - he planned this precisely - his depraved instinct gave him an air of authenticity that he could be trusted which he used to deceive everyone - even the Police.
His ugly face deserves to be on an Interpol poster!

If Maria has been groomed to this level and is fearing her captor being captured - this is not her fault - this is how this plays out.
What is more unnerving is if she ever realizes what has happened to her -

She needs to be found.
Im just hoping it will be sooner than later.
I wish it was today.

JMHO

 

[FigTree]

Maria has been missing for one year now.

Bitte Findet Maria Facebook

Source:
Missing teenager Maria: police have no hot track
Freiburg - a year after the disappearance of the then 13 year old Maria from Freiburg is police investigated more than 800 remarks ...
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Source: Read article -
The man and the girl - No trace of the missing Mary
"I give up hope that Mary returns," says Monika Beisler , single mother of now 14-year-olds. Immediately after the disappearance of their daughter on May 4 last year, the mother went to the public. She has the Internet a page titled "Please find Maria" set up, it is blogging, asking among other things, Facebook and Twitter for clues. The case meets with users on the internet since the beginning to a great response. This also makes this case unusual.
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Source: Read More...
BZ-Interview with Lars Bruhn the Board of the "Initiative for Missing Children" about the mysterious disappearance of the Freiburger student, Maria.
BZ: Why can rule out that it is affection between the two? Bruhns: You never. But in this case, the previous findings suggest that the man has decided to forcibly about the determination of free space of the girl. He is the adult. He took money, brought his vehicle to dive with her ​​abroad. This is intolerable.
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With posters and Luftballonen, supporters of the family wanted to draw in summer 2013 on the Vermisstenfall. Photo: Ingo Schneider

Source: Read More... Long article
Case Maria: The student is gone for a year
Maria Henselmann had packed up their school stuff and the mother said she wanted to stay at a friend's House. That was pushed forward. A wrong track. In truth she was dating a man, with which she wanted to flee: Bernhard Haase, then 53 years old. The two knew each other from a chat forum on the Internet, they had long been personally met. A year previously Haase's wife had filed charges against her husband. She had caught him as he has looked at Web pages with child pornographic content.
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Because Maria has definitely not been kidnapped. Eight months ago, she and her companion Haase in a hotel in the Slovakia were seen. The waiter said the television station Sat1 he held the two for father and daughter. Only when she the local left, did he wondered - because they went hands continued to her car. This was dog a few days later in Poland together with Haase's. The police kept the discovery secret, was looking for tracks, but found nothing. To say more would not exist, so police spokeswoman Laura Riske.
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Source: Read More...
Mother hopes for signs of life by Maria
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Video (German) - interview with Monika Beisler
Source - watch video
http://mp4-download.swr.de/swr-fernsehen/landesschau-bw/aktuell-4/20140502-1845-04.m.mp4
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Picture of article - From Maria's Facebook page:

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I hope you are well Maria.
One year is such a long time to be Missing.
Wish there was a sign or a sighting of you.

 

[SCHMAE]

Maria has been missing for one year now.

Bitte Findet Maria Facebook

Source:
Missing teenager Maria: police have no hot track
Freiburg - a year after the disappearance of the then 13 year old Maria from Freiburg is police investigated more than 800 remarks ...
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Source: Read article -
The man and the girl - No trace of the missing Mary
"I give up hope that Mary returns," says Monika Beisler , single mother of now 14-year-olds. Immediately after the disappearance of their daughter on May 4 last year, the mother went to the public. She has the Internet a page titled "Please find Maria" set up, it is blogging, asking among other things, Facebook and Twitter for clues. The case meets with users on the internet since the beginning to a great response. This also makes this case unusual.
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Source: Read More...
BZ-Interview with Lars Bruhn the Board of the "Initiative for Missing Children" about the mysterious disappearance of the Freiburger student, Maria.
BZ: Why can rule out that it is affection between the two? Bruhns: You never. But in this case, the previous findings suggest that the man has decided to forcibly about the determination of free space of the girl. He is the adult. He took money, brought his vehicle to dive with her ​​abroad. This is intolerable.
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With posters and Luftballonen, supporters of the family wanted to draw in summer 2013 on the Vermisstenfall. Photo: Ingo Schneider

Source: Read More... Long article
Case Maria: The student is gone for a year
Maria Henselmann had packed up their school stuff and the mother said she wanted to stay at a friend's House. That was pushed forward. A wrong track. In truth she was dating a man, with which she wanted to flee: Bernhard Haase, then 53 years old. The two knew each other from a chat forum on the Internet, they had long been personally met. A year previously Haase's wife had filed charges against her husband. She had caught him as he has looked at Web pages with child pornographic content.
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Because Maria has definitely not been kidnapped. Eight months ago, she and her companion Haase in a hotel in the Slovakia were seen. The waiter said the television station Sat1 he held the two for father and daughter. Only when she the local left, did he wondered - because they went hands continued to her car. This was dog a few days later in Poland together with Haase's. The police kept the discovery secret, was looking for tracks, but found nothing. To say more would not exist, so police spokeswoman Laura Riske.
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Source: Read More...
Mother hopes for signs of life by Maria
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Video (German) - interview with Monika Beisler
Source - watch video
http://mp4-download.swr.de/swr-fernsehen/landesschau-bw/aktuell-4/20140502-1845-04.m.mp4
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Picture of article - From Maria's Facebook page:

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I hope you are well Maria.
One year is such a long time to be Missing.
Wish there was a sign or a sighting of you.

Why did she have to be ' cursed' with looking so much older than her age ?

 

[Littlegreenlady]

The interview with Lars Bruhn has some very interesting points about their relationship, and what will happen in the future for Maria. He points out that if she is travelling with him of her own accord, what will happen to her if she turns around and says she's had enough and wants to go home.
He also comments on the fact that she is culturally and linguistically isolated, so that even if she did want to seek help, it will be very difficult.

His final comments are in regards to what happens as Maria gets older - will Haase remain interested in her?

 

[Littlegreenlady]

I'm not sure if this has come up before - it certainly was news to me. One of the other articles that Figtree links to says that Haase's wife discovered child on his computer and reported him to the police. Maria was questioned by them as a result of her details being on his computer.

This is the article linked again; http://www.badische-zeitung.de/freiburg/fall-maria-seit-einem-jahr-ist-die-schuelerin-verschwunden

So it begs the question as to whether Maria was taken by force, or chose to go willingly despite knowing he was in trouble with the police. Or maybe he used it as a way of getting her to go away - as in, "they" won't let us continue our friendship, we need to go somewhere else where we can be together?


Further in the article it says "

Die Aktivitäten der diversen Unterstützer im Netz waren der Polizei aus nachvollziehbaren Gründen ein Dorn im Auge. Denn zu diesem Zeitpunkt hoffte die Polizei noch, Maria werde ein Lebenszeichen von sich geben. Doch, so die Befürchtung der Polizei, je mehr sie sich in die Enge gedrängt fühle, je mehr Publizität der Fall erlange, desto schwerer werde ihr ein der Schritt fallen. Zumal sie sich in einem Loyalitätskonflikt sehen könnte"

The activities of the supporters [supporters of Maria and her mother] on the internet are becoming, for various reasons, a thorn in the side of the police. The police are always asking for Maria to show some signs of life, but the police fear that if she feels pushed into a corner, as a result of the publicity of the case, it will be harder for her. She could be caught in a conflict of loyalties.

it might explain why the police have been so reluctant for publicity for the case, if they believe she has gone willingly, they want to just wait and give her a chance to come back of her own accord.

 

[zwiebel]

She is so young though - I guess he'll be interested until she's 20?

I think Haase is calculating on staying on the run until Maria's 16, then he'll return with her to Germany in the hope he will escape prosecution and she'll refuse to testify against him. I don't think authorities will have the right to take her into care then.

I'm afraid he will get away it too....

 

[zwiebel]

My own opinion is that at least part of the reason for police finding publicity a thorn in their side is because they failed to act for so long, when there were the clearest danger signals.

 

[FigTree]

I'm not sure if this has come up before - it certainly was news to me. One of the other articles that Figtree links to says that Haase's wife discovered child on his computer and reported him to the police. Maria was questioned by them as a result of her details being on his computer.
This is the article linked again; http://www.badische-zeitung.de/freiburg/fall-maria-seit-einem-jahr-ist-die-schuelerin-verschwunden

I think there were a few articles in the media about a month or so after they disappeared which mentioned that Maria had been warned prior (by a relative of Haase') that he was a known Pedophile.
I would have to go back over the thread - but I remember something in the words that Haase' daughter had been the contact.

So it begs the question as to whether Maria was taken by force, or chose to go willingly despite knowing he was in trouble with the police. Or maybe he used it as a way of getting her to go away - as in, "they" won't let us continue our friendship, we need to go somewhere else where we can be together?

I don't think it will be known until Maria returns and I would say it would be some time before what actually happened comes to Main Stream Media.

The activities of the supporters [supporters of Maria and her mother] on the internet are becoming, for various reasons, a thorn in the side of the police. The police are always asking for Maria to show some signs of life, but the police fear that if she feels pushed into a corner, as a result of the publicity of the case, it will be harder for her. She could be caught in a conflict of loyalties.

it might explain why the police have been so reluctant for publicity for the case, if they believe she has gone willingly, they want to just wait and give her a chance to come back of her own accord.

I do understand this,
I also think that without knowing the circumstances of why and how Maria left, it would be difficult to plan on the best approach to get Maria to make some kind of contact.

But where are the Polices appeal for Haase and where is Haase' conflict of loyalties? Shouldn't it be Haase that bears the responsibility of doing the right thing? Why hasn't he made contact? Why hasn't he handed himself in now, knowing the grief he has caused others? Because he is a coward, and a pedophile. He is much too frightened too - he knows what the consequences will be, and it makes him more dangerous and a risk taker - to Maria.
Where is the media chomping on his coat tails to make the public aware of who he is and what he has done? He doesn't seem obligated or pressured to do the right thing - because there is not the same insistent pressure on him to make contact or return Maria.

And yet the weight of contacting someone has been put on Maria's shoulders. I doubt she has little more than a very superficial contribution to controling whats happened and is happening now and into the future. A big burden to bare for a young lady in her position.

I cant imagine the pressure Maria is under from Haase to be made feel that it is her responsibility to make sure they do not get caught (his narcissistic manipulation) - and then other pressure from MSM, Police, for Maria to try and work out how to let someone know where she is and if she is OK.
This is not Maria's responsibility - it is Haase's.
If the priority of msm/police/authorities was possibly switched to putting extra focus on him more predominantly, instead of Maria, he will feel the heat. There's no page for him - no family is looking for him - no repeated requests from family to hand himself in - very little in the way of pictures of what he looks like - no naming of his affiliations and very little about his past.


It might be beneficial for msm to remind people that it is Haase that is the one Interpol and the Police are after - he needs to be caught and taken to trial.
Maria is not a criminal, and she is a minor, and needs to be found.

:twocents:

Respectfully snipped by me
...He points out that if she is travelling with him of her own accord, what will happen to her if she turns around and says she's had enough and wants to go home.
He also comments on the fact that she is culturally and linguistically isolated, so that even if she did want to seek help, it will be very difficult.

His final comments are in regards to what happens as Maria gets older - will Haase remain interested in her?

This is why I think Police need to find Haase - he is the loose cannon here.
As I mentioned, I don't think Maria has many options when asking those questions.

:twocents:
:seeya:

 

[Littlegreenlady]

Snipped by me:

I think there were a few articles in the media about a month or so after they disappeared which mentioned that Maria had been warned prior (by a relative of Haase') that he was a known Pedophile.
I would have to go back over the thread - but I remember something in the words that Haase' daughter had been the contact.

Yes, that was in the article I was quoting from as well - Haase's daughter contacted Maria herself and told her that the person she was talking to was her father. Apparantly Maria wasn't interested in what the daughter had to say. I can see a teenage girl not wanting to believe it when someone tries to persuade her otherwise... I suppose in my naivety I find it harder to believe she ignored the police questionning/warning.

And Figtree you are right, the police may have their reasons for not wanting the msm to focus on Maria... but they could be using the msm to highlight Haase and his crimes. Pictures of him as a criminal and focusing on his wrong-doing in the media might have more of an impact on Maria herself, rather than if she is reading in the newspapers about her. Changing the focus of the stories might help her to realise how she has been duped.

She must also be feeling there is nothing to come back to - the comments about her in the media may have made her feel she is better off staying away from it all.

Yes, where are his family demanding his return? They've clearly distanced themselves from him (to be fair, most people wouldn't want to stand up in the press and admit their father or ex husband was a paedophile) and as his wife left him already, there wouldn't be much point in her begging him to come back. However, they could issue a statement asking him to turn himself in. And the police should certainly be offering that as an option.
I wonder why the family haven't interviewed at all. Not that I've seen anyway.

 

[Littlegreenlady]

http://www.lz.de/home/themenseite/vermisstenfall_maria_henselmann/vermisstenfall_maria_henselmann/11043495_Bilderbuchvater_und_treuer_Republikaner-Kamerad.html

Interview with someone who Knew Haase through his political work, Volker Marsch. He talks about how Haase was a true comrade of the Republican party. He was active for 5 years and very committed. He always seemed to care for his family and how they saw the Haase family as a perfect German family. Haase fixed his computer once. He never showed any interest in young girls. Then his granddaughter died in 2007 and his world fell apart.

Marsch talks about the reaction amongst the party to Haase's disappearance. He said some people thought he must have got a tumour in his brain that made him into a paedophile. The article points out that Marsch, who is a doctor, says that they haven't found any other explanation for his behaviour!!! But then he says that Haase is obviously intelligent as "They haven't nabbed him yet"

His neighbours aren't quite so enthusiastic. He kept himself to himself, never really spoke to the neighbours and was just known as the man with the white dog.

The village was naturally shocked, but the topic has died down. They feel sorry for his wife, she is alone in the house as the daughters have moved out.
She can't get divorced just because her husband has gone away

Nobody would have expected this, he was always so nice and helpful and he had two daughters.

 

[FigTree]

Still no word of where they are...


Thinking of you Maria...

 

[FigTree]

Not seeing any new updates currently - looks like my Google translation pages are not translating ...

Thinking of you Maria - you are not forgotten - I hope you are well where ever you are.

.

 

[SCHMAE]

Still no word of where they are...


Thinking of you Maria...

Such a lovely face and eyes full of wonder. Why did she have to be blessed/ cursed with such a mature looking face at such a young age?
Be well, Maria !

 

[FigTree]

From the Please Find Maria Facebook Page:
Bitte Findett Maria
https://de-de.facebook.com/bitte.findet.maria

If you read this Maria -
Contact your mum.
Use you baby nickname so she knows its you.
http://mariasuche.wordpress.com/
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I think about you a lot and hope that you are OK Maria.
Many people care, and hope that one day soon you are home again.

 

[FigTree]

From Bitte Findet Maria Facebook Page:

Main Stream Media Article:
https://www.facebook.com/bitte.find...9137286901496/370119113136645/?type=1&theater

 

[FigTree]

Where in the H*** is Berhard Haase...

I sincerely hope that someone who has seen Berhard Haase or Maria - even if it was months ago - let the Police know about it.
It has been way too long since there has been any news.

I hope Maria is OK.

Thinking of You Maria.

 

[SCHMAE]

From Bitte Findet Maria Facebook Page:

Main Stream Media Article:
https://www.facebook.com/bitte.find...9137286901496/370119113136645/?type=1&theater

" Where is my daughter'' ? Right ?

 

[Elainera]

Yes correct.

 

[zwiebel]

There seems to be very little communication between the police and the public in Germany. Or, police feel very little obligation to keep the public informed. In my opinion.

Where are you Maria? Wo bist du Maria?