Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #4

[Warwick7]

I think there's so much more to it. He (client) claims he's a family man. Really????? She was asking Pak why he was using her real name. Then there's that creepy doc. Then there's the corruption within the jurisdiction. I don't trust the investigation. I think it needs a new more scrutinized look. MOO

As for Pak:
1. While in the house she contacted him several times. (In other words please help, come and get me.)
2. She was upset he was using her real name. It went against how they ran escorting. She knew something was up.
3. Pak never takes the phone to talk to 911, let alone give them the address to where SG was at.
3b. If she made her own appointments, like Pak said, why didn't she know the address to where she was at? She didn't know because Pak booked appointments, particularly this one.
4. Brewer fakes he wants her to leave and go home--Pak plays along.
5. They know she's on a 911 call, they play along like they are the good guys.
6. Pak said Brewer and SG left to go get cards, lube and prescription meds. It's all a set up. If they would have found her sooner and tested her hair and body, I'm sure they would have found they drugged her.
7. About a half a dozen times she says asks if "this" was all a set up. She knew what was going on.
8. She knew he was apart of what was happening to her:
SG: You're being sarcastic.
Pak: About what?
SG: About this.. you were part of this all
along.

I could go on and on...

 

[Warwick7]

If you mean SG I just remembered a couple of things surrounding her disappearance. She was on Oak Beach at the house with MP, and that it's a gated community and would need to be invited in or buzzed in. I don't know how the gate works so I'm not sure if there is security there or if it's being buzzed in. She was a few miles from Gilgo Beach when she had her meltdown that morning.

Respectfully, SG never had a meltdown. She knew her life was in danger and she called 911.

 

[Warwick7]

 

[FromGermany1]

When I googled "human hunting parties LI", I found by chance this article:

Long Island man, foul-mouthed kid confront deer hunter

A cold-hearted bowhunter shrugged off a sobbing boy who confronted him about hunting in his Long Island town, telling the child that death is simply “a part of life,” new video shows. D…

nypost.com

A cold-hearted bowhunter shrugged off a sobbing boy who confronted him about hunting in his Long Island town, telling the child that death is simply “a part of life,” new video shows.

Dominick Lobifaro, 30, was confronted Sunday by an Oakdale man and an animal-loving youngster who weren’t happy to see him scoping out a nearby wooded area of state-owned land apparently too close to their home, according to a clip of the heated encounter.
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I thought of SG and her neck wound, which looked like a drilled hole. (It was SG, right?)
Do you think, the neck wound could have been caused by a shot with bow and arrow perhaps?
(Though I believe, forensics would have found out, if it was that kind of wound.)

 

[otto]

I don't believe for one second that RH mentioned human hunting parties.

That sounds completely made up.

I think he did this alone. Occam's Razor is pretty reliable.

I do too. There are so many bizarre stories coming out about the suspect that the story tellers appear as attention seekers ... in my opinion.

He is like Denis Rader in that it seems like he stalked his victims. He stalked them online before meeting them. He stalked their families after murdering them.

The reason I think he got to know his victims before murdering them is because of Amber Costello. He met her at her house first, or maybe that wasn't the first time me met her. A male roommate pulled a stunt by pretending to be her boyfriend, taking the money and throwing him out before anything happened between Amber and him.

After ripping him off, he contact her again the following day and she trusted him. She was not afraid that he would be angry. Did he offer her $1000 and convince her that she didn't need a phone, or was it by chance that she left the phone with the other escort (roommate)?

He had a separate phone for each victim. I'm curious how many calls or texts he had with each victim before they were murdered. If it's one phone call, it requires a phone booth, not a burner phone.

 

[otto]

Have the two autopsies for Shannan Gilbert been released?

 

[sunshineray]

Ok the last sentence in this paragraph..."Bibles"!? I'm stumped..anyone?


"Authorities seized the vehicle last week. In a search warrant, they said they were looking for other clues in the vehicle or at property the brothers owned in Chester County, South Carolina, such as DNA, fluids, fingerprints, phones and what they described as possible “trophies” that may have belonged to the victims — clothing, jewelry, Bibles or photos."

He came face to face with an alleged serial killer. 12 years later, his tip helped crack the case

As police comb through the home of a man charged in a string of serial killings in New York, one witness is frustrated it took so long to solve the crime.

apnews.com

 

[Kikalina]

I do too. There are so many bizarre stories coming out about the suspect that the story tellers appear as attention seekers ... in my opinion.

He is like Denis Rader in that it seems like he stalked his victims. He stalked them online before meeting them. He stalked their families after murdering them.

The reason I think he got to know his victims before murdering them is because of Amber Costello. He met her at her house first, or maybe that wasn't the first time me met her. A male roommate pulled a stunt by pretending to be her boyfriend, taking the money and throwing him out before anything happened between Amber and him.

After ripping him off, he contact her again the following day and she trusted him. She was not afraid that he would be angry. Did he offer her $1000 and convince her that she didn't need a phone, or was it by chance that she left the phone with the other escort (roommate)?

He had a separate phone for each victim. I'm curious how many calls or texts he had with each victim before they were murdered. If it's one phone call, it requires a phone booth, not a burner phone.

There were numerous calls between RH and each of the victims. The story with Amber is, while they attempted the scam, once the roommate saw his size, they never took RH’s money. RH offered her $1500 the next day but not at her house after what occurred.

 

[otto]

If he used one burner phone for each victim, and stopped using the phone after their murders, then he was rather sophisticated in how to get away with murder.

There must be an instance where he was almost caught because of his phone, so he added a safety detail of one burner phone per victim. He almost got caught because of his SUV, so he moved it to SC. I think he is a meticulous planner and each time he almost got caught, he modified his strategy.

I'm curious how old he was when he committed his first murder. I doubt it was age 18. Given his success of not being arrested until age 59, when his victims were found 12 years ago, it suggests he was more mature than an 18 year old when he started murdering.

 

[FromGermany1]

Why would she lie?

Yes, why would she?
If we think, she has no insider knowledge and is lying only for her own advantage (advertising her salon and so on), we are nothing better than police. Motto: What an ex-SW/escort says, isn't relevant and won't be true. MOO

 

[LongIsland731]

Did Gilgo Beach Killer Use a Boat to Dump Bodies in the Marsh?

Inside Edition’s Les Trent boarded a boat with former FBI investigator Bill Daly to retrace the water route to Gilgo Beach.

www.insideedition.com

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Police say Rex Heuermann was an avid duck hunter who knew these waters well, and a duck hunter out in a boat here would attract little attention, even late at night.

me: did LE say he was an avid hunter?

Read below. I'm still 90/10 that he drove but boating would be feasible. I have boated the area myself.

Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #3

He wouldve been 17 maybe 18 at most So, this tells us he would have had more familiarity with the area than the average person. A place where he felt comfortable?

www.websleuths.com

Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #3

I am so glad there has been an arrest made in this case. I have spent years looking at evidence. Speculating with friends, some of whom are cops. A buddy and I have even taken late night rides in the area years ago hoping to find this monster "dumping bodies". As if he was going to go back to...

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Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #3

Do you think he is likely to end up there? I do. Upstate New York is Siberia for inmates and I hope he's miserable every single day.

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[Kikalina]

Yes, why would she?
If we think, she has no insider knowledge and is lying only for her own advantage (advertising her salon and so on), we are nothing better than police. Motto: What an ex-SW/escort says, isn't relevant and won't be true. MOO

My belief that she is lying has absolutely nothing to do with her being an ex SW. it’s based upon her inconsistencies regarding things that are factual and that she keeps adding more and more to each interview

 

[LongIsland731]

RH's dumping ground not his hunting ground. I'd like think he did his dumping and left as soon as he could. I also say this by taking into account that SG ran very early in the morning not late at night. Gus Coletti was up for the day and shaving his face when SG knocked on his door. The only vehicle/person that Gus saw was Michael Pak driving slowly and asking if he saw SG. No other vehicles were seen by GC. I imagine that community soon started putting security camera's up.

She seems back and fourth between a drunk calm mood to hysterical and back. If she was in real danger inside she would have ran out to her driver. A driver whom she worked with before and had a gun, by his own admission. If brewer was trying to kill her he wouldn't have let her stay on the mind with 911 that long. Nor would he have called pak inside to get her.


Brewer wanted her our she didn't want to leave choas ensued and tragically ended with her accident death. An accident that lead to the discovery of RH'S disgusting crimes.


I doubt RH has anything to do with it. To me it's absurd to think a 6'5 ogre was roaming around oak Beach in the wee hours and happened to run into Shannon. Not his style.


That leaves the Peter Hackett angle. But his wife and kids were home. And he was disabled. Plus why dump her so close to his house.

In the house she was somewhat calm with Pak. Outside she freaked. At Collettis when she saw pak she freaked again. If pak took her there to be murdered why would he stick around and risk be seen by witnesses? If he was part of some murder ring and shannon "got away" why would he go back looking for someone who's now a potential witness. He was deposed and answered a lot of questions. He could have plead the 5th all the way through.

This is all my opinion. I think she was having a drug feuled physcosis that lead to her tragic death. The cops are clearly in these cases to solve them. If they don't see any there there maybe they are right.

 

[Kikalina]

She seems back and fourth between a drunk calm mood to hysterical and back. If she was in real danger inside she would have ran out to her driver. A driver whom she worked with before and had a gun, by his own admission. If brewer was trying to kill her he wouldn't have let her stay on the mind with 911 that long. Nor would he have called pak inside to get her.


Brewer wanted her our she didn't want to leave choas ensued and tragically ended with her accident death. An accident that lead to the discovery of RH'S disgusting crimes.


I doubt RH has anything to do with it. To me it's absurd to think a 6'5 ogre was roaming around oak Beach in the wee hours and happened to run into Shannon. Not his style.


That leaves the Peter Hackett angle. But his wife and kids were home. And he was disabled. Plus why dump her so close to his house.

In the house she was somewhat calm with Pak. Outside she freaked. At Collettis when she saw pak she freaked again. If pak took her there to be murdered why would he stick around and risk be seen by witnesses? If he was part of some murder ring and shannon "got away" why would he go back looking for someone who's now a potential witness. He was deposed and answered a lot of questions. He could have plead the 5th all the way through.

This is all my opinion. I think she was having a drug feuled physcosis that lead to her tragic death. The cops are clearly in these cases to solve them. If they don't see any there there maybe they are right.

I lean towards this as well. Although, Peter Hackett (the phone call) is still bizarre to me.

 

[LongIsland731]

when Valerie Mack remains were found in November 2000, the initial reports said that she was found by “pheasant hunters”, after that I read it reported as just “hunters”

There's very limited deer hunting in the area. If the population gets to high they issue permits and a lot of it is done by bow.

 

[Charlot123]

I've seen a few interviews now with this young woman, she seems like a good advocate for family victims of serial killers. I really wish the press would leave RH family alone

Agree, I think it was difficult enough to raise two kids and live with a disorganized miser, and now these news. I hope they'll all be able to break free from him forever.

 

[otto]

@Kikalina, thank you for Dr. Baden's autopsy opinion.

<modsnip - rumor> That is not mentioned in his report. He mentions the larynx and part of the hyoid is missing - the conclusion seems to be that there was an injury to the neck based on absence of evidence. Was the rest of her skeleton intact with only those to parts missing? Can a conclusion of homicide be based on missing cartilage of a body that was in the marsh for 19 months?

 

[Charlot123]

REX!!

Probably for too-obvious reason, the King.

However, on seeing that belt, I started wondering if Rex was RH's true given name. I wondered if he was baptized William, after grandfather, hence the initials on the belt. (Or else, someone liked visiting thrift stores). Rex is a popular nickname, though.

 

[otto]

She seems back and fourth between a drunk calm mood to hysterical and back. If she was in real danger inside she would have ran out to her driver. A driver whom she worked with before and had a gun, by his own admission. If brewer was trying to kill her he wouldn't have let her stay on the mind with 911 that long. Nor would he have called pak inside to get her.


Brewer wanted her our she didn't want to leave choas ensued and tragically ended with her accident death. An accident that lead to the discovery of RH'S disgusting crimes.


I doubt RH has anything to do with it. To me it's absurd to think a 6'5 ogre was roaming around oak Beach in the wee hours and happened to run into Shannon. Not his style.


That leaves the Peter Hackett angle. But his wife and kids were home. And he was disabled. Plus why dump her so close to his house.

In the house she was somewhat calm with Pak. Outside she freaked. At Collettis when she saw pak she freaked again. If pak took her there to be murdered why would he stick around and risk be seen by witnesses? If he was part of some murder ring and shannon "got away" why would he go back looking for someone who's now a potential witness. He was deposed and answered a lot of questions. He could have plead the 5th all the way through.

This is all my opinion. I think she was having a drug feuled psychosis that lead to her tragic death. The cops are clearly in these cases to solve them. If they don't see any there there maybe they are right.

Possibly drugged, but possibly a psychological episode that caused her to be paranoid with loss of reasoning.

 

[LongIsland731]

Possibly drugged, but possibly a psychological episode that caused her to be paranoid with loss of reasoning.

I believe that to be the case. My friends cousin did so much coke one night he called the 911 tell them his house was being stormed by armed intruders. They arrested him for coke possession. Saw nothing on his cameras. The conclusion = a coke induced physcosis. Many people have called 911 while on drugs and described things that didn't exist.
Pak was her armed security. He begged her to go outside. I believe I read He passed a polygraph. I also believe brewer let the police inside and Hacketts whole Family was home.

1 small missing bone after 19 months in the elements. Snow, heat, rainstorms, high tides. Hell 3 months before SG body was found we got hit with the remnants of hurricane irene. 400k ppl lost power from wind and rain. The area where SG was found got clobbered during the storm.