Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #5

[Inthedetails]

RH was an architect and knew about building codes.
Was there a local building code that he would have had to deal with to do this construction/addition to his older home?
Would there be zoning requirements or paperwork to be filed?
I am wondering if there is a paper trail with the local government.
Surely LE would know to check this aspect.
In my area all building additions/ construction has to be approved locally - Permits, especially major digging.

Or, would this not be considered an addition? Not something local zoning would be concerned with overseeing?

I guess my point is LE , through local government, should have some idea as to what alterations he made to his property.
But it doesn’t seem as though they do have this info.

That was my first thought. But maybe Mr. Building Code Expert didn't get a permit. Maybe some code from 1899 allows him to build a room without telling the township....or maybe he just ignored codes all together. This is the same man that stuck up a couple of wood blocks to hold his porch roof.

jmo

 

[Emilie D]

RH was an architect and knew about building codes.
Was there a local building code that he would have had to deal with to do this construction/addition to his older home?
Would there be zoning requirements or paperwork to be filed?
I am wondering if there is a paper trail with the local government.
Surely LE would know to check this aspect.
In my area all building additions/ construction has to be approved locally - Permits, especially major digging.

Or, would this not be considered an addition? Not something local zoning would be concerned with overseeing?

I guess my point is LE , through local government, should have some idea as to what alterations he made to his property.
But it doesn’t seem as though they do have this info.

Construction like this would require a permit and if one was obtained, records would be available through the city. If there is no record, it's likely that he did the work himself or had someone do it under the table so to speak.

 

[Momoffourboys]

RH was an architect and knew about building codes.
Was there a local building code that he would have had to deal with to do this construction/addition to his older home?
Would there be zoning requirements or paperwork to be filed?
I am wondering if there is a paper trail with the local government.
Surely LE would know to check this aspect.
In my area all building additions/ construction has to be approved locally - Permits, especially major digging.

Or, would this not be considered an addition? Not something local zoning would be concerned with overseeing?

I guess my point is LE , through local government, should have some idea as to what alterations he made to his property.
But it doesn’t seem as though they do have this info.

Here is the website for building codes for MP. I would think any major alteration would require a permit.

Village of Massapequa Park, NY: General Use Regulations

Ch 345 Art III In any residence district, no building or premises shall be used and no building shall be erected or structurally altered which is arranged, intended or designed to be used for other than one or more of the following uses: Single-family dwelling. Chu

ecode360.com

also, correction to my previous post. It appears the home does have central AC. I suppose it doesn’t work well and they needed window/wall unit. Also, the home has a fireplace.

105 1st Ave, Massapequa Park, NY - 1 bath

1 bath, 1323 sq. ft. house located at 105 1st Ave, Massapequa Park, NY 11762 sold for $195,000 on Mar 24, 1998. View sales history, tax history, home value estimates, and overhead views. APN 48205 ...

www.redfin.com

 

[Friday13]

I suspect it already has. Instead of buying new tape to use on the victims and keeping it clean and bagged, he seems to have used tape from around the house that had hairs from his wife and maybe other "stuff" lint, etc. stuck to it. It'll be interesting what they discover from the house actually on the victims.

I’m very curious to know how old the cat is and how long they’ve had it, cat hair gets EVERYWHERE. That kitty could possibly be a key piece of evidence as well.

 

[Friday13]

I have no idea, but I do know of buildings in the city that used to be banks (or another entity with big vaults) and the vault doors are so heavy that the new business in the building just kept them in place.

Of course, I have no idea if RH does have a vault door and if he does, I have no idea what the size is. But, if he salvaged a door from a building site, I can imagine it would be super heavy.

jmo

Could it possibly have been made block by block and cemented together? Do we even know what it was made of, has that been divulged?

 

[Friday13]

That was my first thought. But maybe Mr. Building Code Expert didn't get a permit. Maybe some code from 1899 allows him to build a room without telling the township....or maybe he just ignored codes all together. This is the same man that stuck up a couple of wood blocks to hold his porch roof.

jmo

If I had to take a guess, if we are talking about an underground structure that was not visible to prying eyes, I would think he didn’t bother with permits. And a lot of people won’t question it if it’s not a visible eye sore or a long, noisy disruptive project.

 

[iamshadow21]

Could it possibly have been made block by block and cemented together? Do we even know what it was made of, has that been divulged?

I don't think we know anything ...concrete... yet.



(I'll get my coat.)

 

[Inthedetails]

Could it possibly have been made block by block and cemented together? Do we even know what it was made of, has that been divulged?

I'm guessing in the dark. No fact are known, but I still speculate.

jmo

 

[Friday13]

I don't think we know anything...concrete... yet.



(I'll get my coat.)

Lol that is a fantastic response !!!

 

[iamshadow21]

Lol that is a fantastic response !!!

I have reached the peak dad joke level of tiredness. I should probably go to bed. (Eventually.)

 

[Dotta]

If I had to take a guess, if we are talking about an underground structure that was not visible to prying eyes, I would think he didn’t bother with permits. And a lot of people won’t question it if it’s not a visible eye sore or a long, noisy disruptive project.

I also think so.
After all it was INSIDE the house.
Do ppl need permit to do changes inside?
IDK.

 

[iamshadow21]

I also think so.
After all it was INSIDE the house.
Do ppl need permit to do changes inside?
IDK.

If it's structural, I can't imagine they wouldn't.

But I am not an architect or someone with any kind of knowledge of the relevant laws. If only we could ask RH, he'd know. I'm sure he'd be completely truthful with us.

MOO

 

[dotr]

Very lengthy, lots of interesting info.

What causes someone to become a serial killer? It’s a malignant combination of factors, experts say

(CNN) — For decades, criminologists and true crime documentaries have attempted to understand what causes serial killers to commit the atrocities they do.

www.kxly.com

''What causes someone to become a serial killer? It’s a malignant combination of factors, experts say​

• By Alaa Elassar, CNN
• 30 min ago''

• ''What factors influence a person to become a serial killer?​

  Katherine Ramsland: There is a great deal of variation in this population, from a range of motives, backgrounds, ages and behaviors, to differences in physiology, sex, mental state and perceptions that influence reasoning and decisions. Each person uniquely processes a given situation in their lives, and some gravitate toward violence. This can be defensive violence or aggressive, psychotic or psychopathic, reactive or predatory, to name some possibilities.
  Any factor – abuse, neglect, deviance, bullying – might have different influences on different people, and new experiences can modify perceptions positively or negatively.
  

  Do all serial killers suffer some sort of trauma?​

  Scott Bonn: There can be a correlation between childhood trauma, but it’s not enough to turn somebody into a serial killer. It’s numerous factors that become a perfect storm that turn a person into a serial killer.
  Louis Schlesinger: Most people want to search for a watershed event in somebody’s life that will explain this behavior. “It’s human nature, it’s a natural tendency, he did it because his mother abused them. He did it because this traumatic event happened.” But you’re not going to find it. Poor parenting and childhood trauma, that never helps. But those, in and of themselves, are not dispositive for creating somebody who’s going out and killing for sexual gratification in a series. Thousands of people have had horrible childhoods. They don’t go around killing people in a series.''
• 
  
• ''Louis Schlesinger: I have 10 ominous signs, when seen in combination, that indicate a risk for a potential sex murderer:
  • Childhood abuse is number one that has very low predictive ability, but it’s in the background of almost all serial sexual murders to one degree or another.
  • Inappropriate maternal sexual conduct. Boys need to see their mothers as asexual. When an adolescent boy sees his mother behaving sexually, it’s very, very destabilizing.
  • Pathological lying and manipulation.
  • Sadistic fantasy with a compulsion to act.
  • Animal cruelty, particularly toward cats, because cat is a female symbol.
  • The need to control and dominate others is another one.
  • Repetitive fire setting.
  • Voyeurism, fetishes and sexual burglaries, sexually motivated burglary.
  • Unprovoked attacks on females, associated with generalized misogynist emotions.
  • Evidence of ritualistic or signature behavior.''

 

[Inthedetails]

I’m very curious to know how old the cat is and how long they’ve had it, cat hair gets EVERYWHERE. That kitty could possibly be a key piece of evidence as well.

So true. I've always had pets and I keep my packing tape in a plastic baggie Otherwise anything I tape will have pet hair sticking to it because animal hair somehow gets on the roll of tape if not stored in baggie.

I've never noticed my own hair (shoulder length) on the rolls of tape, fwiw, but I can imagine it, if I kept the tape out in the open.

jmo

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I suspect it already has. Instead of buying new tape to use on the victims and keeping it clean and bagged, he seems to have used tape from around the house that had hairs from his wife and maybe other "stuff" lint, etc. stuck to it. It'll be interesting what they discover from the house actually on the victims.

Maybe even hairs from the cat.

I wrote this not having looked at the previous couple of pages

 

[Vpq]

Can't decide what it is I'm seeing in that excavated area ?! (2nd video in the link) ETA: I'm likely looking at a rock and mentally making it into something it's not. I don't know.

It looks to me like they found some thing the cop is taking notes they have a sifter and buckets the person digging hand something to another one of the team. They have a photographer there, and it looks like they have another junior member taking notes.

 

[Vpq]

WHOA! They just showed the dug up yard on the news. They dug up the entire area that was dirt. Looks like where the deck was and the sides of the deck area.

They need to dig under the garden. Hi house in the green shed at the back.

 

[Friday13]

I also think so.
After all it was INSIDE the house.
Do ppl need permit to do changes inside?
IDK.

Full disclosure: I am not a homeowner, but most townships have a myriad of rules and regulations and from what I hear from friends and relatives, technically you need a permit to practically breathe, especially in Long Island communities (a friend recently told me that she was told by a realtor that within a certain town here you “technically” need a permit for a tile backsplash which is ridiculous) BUT I think a vast majority of people bypass these rules, especially on inside/indoor projects. I believe it could become an issue down the road if you ever put the house up for sale.

If anyone, especially from LI can chime in on this, I’d greatly appreciate it, because like I said, this is what I’ve heard from other people, not my personal experience.

 

[LadyL]

Definitely two, that area in the pic you linked with the railings? That's where all the pot plants are stacked, now. We can just see the air conditioning unit sticking out from under the roof line above it, with all the plywood stacked above and in front of it.

Two green sheds, one attached to the back corner of the house, one diagonally across the yard from it against the back fence, hidden in most shots by the tree canopy.

pot plants? what? how did I miss that I've been reading every post

 

[Kikalina]

This is what I'm thinking too. He dumps MBB in the plastic but realizes it doesn't look how he wants it to look. It probably looked like garbage, with the bag never disintegrating, and maybe that seemed risky.

Sort of curious why he didn't drape burlap over the plastic later, if he indeed didn't like the plastic.

Now I wonder if he had PREVIOUS victims....in plastic. And maybe in those dump sites, plastic was a good option. Maybe burlap was a later development in his killing career. idk

He likes problems to solve. Was burlap a solution to a previous problem?

It could be as simple as burlap being cheaper. (I don't know if it is.) Or maybe plastic rips too easily. Maybe he had plastic onhand from construction jobs and then he ran out. Or maybe he switched to burlap for a visual reason. Or a combo of many reasons. He likely thought it a clever move.

jmo

You know who else were found wrapped or on plastic??? Valerie Mack and Jessica Taylor!

So now I’m back to considering RH for the other bodies. I told you, I flip flop every day