Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #5

[FromGermany1]

Every time I see these photos and videos of LE removing items from the house, dismantling stuff, digging, etc ~ and they have to do it, I think of his wife and children who’s home this was and how devastating it is for them. If they are ever able to step foot in that place again, maybe to get belongings or whatever, I can’t imagine the state they’ll find it in and how invaded they might feel. The whole world is watching their private lives unfold. I sincerely hope they are ok.

I don't know, why LE have transported their furniture like couch and ottomane and so on back to the home. Who will live there again?

 

[Friday13]

Just a theory but, I think they are going to find that he had multiple killing sites. Some he did at home while his family was away, and some at other locations. I'm not sure his family was away often enough to keep up with is appetite. That may have been when he went on business trips out of town. =(

I agree with you on this

 

[Emilie D]

I don't know, why LE have transported their furniture like couch and ottomane and so on back to the home. Who will live there again?

If the rent or price is cheap enough, you'd be surprised how fast it will be inhabited.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I don't know, why LE have transported their furniture like couch and ottomane and so on back to the home. Who will live there again?

The house and furniture and contents still belongs to the family.

 

[iamshadow21]

In addition to the line of a brand of paper towels, I found the leather-stamping equipment oddly specific. Were bodies stamped or something?

MOO

Perhaps one of the belts we don't know much about (there were three with Maureen) was handmade or had some kind of personalisation that was added after it was made and sold.

Or it could be related to some grave good or goods that aren't public knowledge.

I don't think it could have been related to the bodies of the GB4, because as far as I know, they were skeletal or mostly so when found. Any stamp or brand on the skin would have long decomposed with the rest of the soft tissue. Though, looking at the timeline, it's possible that the last two victims still had some soft tissues left. Megan had been out there for roughly six months, Amber for three. It's a harsh environment, though, and complete skeletonisation can take as little as a couple of weeks in the right circumstances.

MOO

 

[Inthedetails]

The house and furniture and contents still belongs to the family.

Right. And LE isn't a garbage-removal or moving company. Man, I feel for the wife having to deal with this literal mess.

jmo

 

[iamshadow21]

The belt had a monogram, was that stamped or was it painted on?

Looked painted to me.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

I can't keep up with this thread!

A thought about hunting -- in keeping with his outrageous collection of guns and a perception that he's a hunter, and presumably a hunter of 4 legged animals which is what people would assume, perhaps he took many opportunities to "hunt". Suited up, gathered some camo and a fitting hunting arsenal and said he was going "hunting", Hunting indeed. Simply stayed at the office or a hotel or another property, and while others thought he was off being an avid hunter of wildlife, he was nearby, avidly hunting vulnerable women to victimize.

JMO

 

[SonsOfCain]

Does anyone have a clue if most married serial killer's start killing before or after they get married. If most start before there a chance he could have pre 1990 victims.

According to serial killer historian Peter Vronsky (along with various other statistics and findings by LE, the FBI, and criminal psychologists), male serial killers typically commit their first murder by the age of 27-28 years old. Some are married by then and some are not. I went back and looked at all of the serial killers who were or had been married and the common thing that I noticed was that a good many of them had started killing after marriage. This was just my own personal observation. It does make sense though because one of the many stressors that is thought to push a serial killer into killing is marriage (along with divorce, birth of a child, death of a child, etc). This is not to say that marriage is the sole facilitator/common denominator however. There are a multitude of factors that are at play, all of which seem to create a “perfect storm” in the making of a serial killer.

I hope that made sense. My coffee hasn’t kicked in just yet so I might have sounded a little too rambley in my reply lol.

 

[Yemelyan]

Hi, MBB was missing from July 2007 to December 2010. I don't know about an autopsy report, but probably. My info is taken from the bail application for Heuermann.

What looks "first timer" to me is the killer using belts - at the head, the chest/waist area and feet / ankles. At least one belt had a monogram! Plus MBB was wrapped in plastic, NOT in a camo burlap (bag).

The fact that the other three were restrained with tape at the same three locations, then wrapped or bagged in camo burlap makes me question the experience of the killer. Once he knew the need for restraint material, he decided on what would work best, then provided it at the kill site and used the same material three times. Once he knew where the bodies would be hidden he provided not just burlap, but camo burlap specifically to blend with the background.

There were hairs caught in the belt(s) on MBB, but there were also hairs in the tape on the others, so that appears to be about the same.

I think the four were killed by the same man. But for the first in the series -- does he appear to be an experienced killer?

You see, from his age, I would have expected Heuermann to have been very experienced at 43, the age he was when MBB was killed. I've thought this was a grouping from a prolific career of killing. Joel Rifkin, when interviewed about Heuermann said to look for groups of four that he himself had groups of three.

Now, though, after considering this, I'm completely unsure about when Heuermann may have started killing.

You wrote: "One burner phone per victim strikes me as reacting to almost getting caught by cell data. Heuermann had one burner phone for each Gilgo Beach victim. That alone seems sophisticated in the task of torture murder."

It does, doesn't it. But Heuermann is sloppy. When arrested he had a burner phone on him with some very incriminating searches and had even done selfies for his "dating" profiles on the burner phone. At one point, early on, he checked messages for either one of the victims' voicemail accounts or something equally incriminating from his personal cell phone and not the burner.

I'm just really, really curious why MBB was wrapped with belts and plastic, seemingly whatever was on hand, IF her killer had any experience at all? And why come up with tape and camo burlap for the next 3?

I can't make it make sense.

When we look at the question of belts for MBB vs tape for later victims, and what that means as to his experience killing, one thing that is important to know is if the belts and tape served the utilitarian purpose of actually restraining the victims or were they used just as part of his fantasy? We know from his searches that "tied up" is part of what he enjoys. The bindings may have even be applied to the victims post-mortem (thinking of some of BTK's behaviors here). Given the searches I could see the belts, especially the one stamped with initials, being part of his plan instead of "whatever was on hand." We don't have enough information to figure this out at this point but I'm sure LE has a pretty good idea.

 

[x_files]

It could be that his wife thinks he was hunting while he was stalking. Apparently, she was out of the area when the 3 murders he was charged with were likely committed.

But it could be he was doing other creepy things while she was in town, and calling it "hunting."

Then the wife would think avid hunter. Say so to attorney. Attorney repeats to press.

That wouldn't be a lie. At least not on the wife or attorney's part.

MOO

Absolutely "stalking future prey" aka "duck hunting."
stalk=hunt. He said that because it was only partially a lie. A grain of truth.

 

[Inthedetails]

According to serial killer historian Peter Vronsky (along with various other statistics and findings by LE, the FBI, and criminal psychologists), male serial killers typically commit their first murder by the age of 27-28 years old. Some are married by then and some are not. I went back and looked at all of the serial killers who were or had been married and the common thing that I noticed was that a good many of them had started killing after marriage. This was just my own personal observation. It does make sense though because one of the many stressors that is thought to push a serial killer into killing is marriage (along with divorce, birth of a child, death of a child, etc). This is not to say that marriage is the sole facilitator/common denominator however. There are a multitude of factors that are at play, all of which seem to create a “perfect storm” in the making of a serial killer.

I hope that made sense. My coffee hasn’t kicked in just yet so I might have sounded a little too rambley in my reply lol.

Then there are serial killers who stop killing when married.

jmo

 

[x_files]

The Daily Mail (I know, I know) was showing footage of the radar scan(?) They were VERY focused on the area they are using the backhoe

DM has the best photos, why can't other news sites up their photo/video game?

 

[Kikalina]

DM has the best photos, why can't other news sites up their photo/video game?

They really do! They are always on top of everything. I appreciate the DM for that. I just tend to not read the articles

 

[Inthedetails]

DM has the best photos, why can't other news sites up their photo/video game?

Amen.

DM has the worst reporting (I don't bother reading because they are consistently wrong), but their photos are always the best.

jmo

 

[citizen_sleuth]

The backhoe was out there again this morning. I noticed what appears to be orange construction marking paint on the ground outside of the basement entrance.

 

[Kikalina]

They really dug up the whole yard!

If I were the neighbor in the back, I’d have a live stream and a comfy chair, right at that fence line, every day

 

[Yemelyan]

Perhaps one of the belts we don't know much about (there were three with Maureen) was handmade or had some kind of personalisation that was added after it was made and sold.

Or it could be related to some grave good or goods that aren't public knowledge.

I don't think it could have been related to the bodies of the GB4, because as far as I know, they were skeletal or mostly so when found. Any stamp or brand on the skin would have long decomposed with the rest of the soft tissue. Though, looking at the timeline, it's possible that the last two victims still had some soft tissues left. Megan had been out there for roughly six months, Amber for three. It's a harsh environment, though, and complete skeletonisation can take as little as a couple of weeks in the right circumstances.

MOO

Since LE are still looking for distal ends of belts (if I remember correctly), I think that you are right - they are hoping he kept part of the belts that he used and the ends can be matched forensically. Perhaps he kept them because they reminded him of the event or perhaps just because the house seems to be a huge hoard.

 

[SonsOfCain]

Then there are serial killers who stop killing when married.

jmo

You are absolutely correct and sometimes this explains why it can be difficult for some serial killers to be apprehended.

 

[Momoffourboys]

They really dug up the whole yard!

If I were the neighbor in the back, I’d have a live stream and a comfy chair, right at that fence line, every day View attachment 436789

If he’s the one sharing info, I won’t be surprised if he’s back there recording and snapping photos.