Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #6

[LNL]

But there was a problem: The homicide detectives chasing the lead were bordering on mutiny.

Prosecutors believed the detectives refused to follow orders and clashed with federal partners, multiple high-level law enforcement officials familiar with the case said. Detectives, meanwhile, felt that the district attorney at the time, Tim Sini, was forcing them to investigate leads they had already ruled out while ratcheting up pressure to solve the case before his 2021 reelection bid. The tension grew so high that, at Sini’s urging, the case’s longtime lead detective was removed.

I am gifting this article, it's important enough.

https://wapo.st/47fzglV

Thank you for sharing this article. It was a very interesting read about all the dysfunction.

 

[Mandalas]

No mention of footage from the storage container in this NBC report as we have seen mentioned in other reports.

Evidence against Gilgo Beach suspect includes surveillance videos and 2,500 pages of documents, prosecution says​

The evidence against Rex Heuermann, the 59-year-old architect charged in the Gilgo Beach serial killings, includes 2,500 pages of documents, crime scene photographs, autopsy reports and hundreds of hours of video footage taken at Heuermann's home and office, prosecutors said Tuesday.

 

[CuriousCricket]

I just don't understand how even with the little evidence we have seen that is so compelling what possible case his lawyer would have to prove his innocence at this stage?

Is it possible there as an accomplice who was with him during all those calls / tower pings that tallied between the burner/victim phones and RH's mobile?

I agree with you that the phone evidence is about enough to convict him. Just as it's been reported.

Now, if I were on the jury, I would need to know EXACTLY what is meant when it had a victim's phone traveling with his phone. I mean they would have to describe exactly how that appears on their screen or however it is displayed. I would have to have very precise maps for all the pinging and locations. ALL locations. Every single one. It would be long, but vital.

The DNA was so degraded it was unreadable at first. So, I'd hit with that and the fact that it's just mitochondrial dna so not specific to either Rex or his wife and could be applied to other people. And caught in the tape for the victims. Had the Heuermanns had any work done in their home before the killing of MBB? If so, a workman could have had the roll of tape in the house, picked up the hairs and carried it to the kill sites. So, any workers in the house about the time MBB was killed? A worker could even have stolen tape from the Heuermann home.

I think they will discover strong DNA that is indisputable, but right now the badly degraded mitochondrial should be torn apart by the defense. It's those phones and their locations that are most damaging -- could be someone else, but really, logically when taken with the DNA? I wonder what type jurors they will want for this trial.

As the defense attorney Michael Brown said, he can't address the questions because he's not seen anything yet. We've not seen enough to have any real idea.

 

[Inthedetails]

I just don't understand how even with the little evidence we have seen that is so compelling what possible case his lawyer would have to prove his innocence at this stage?

Snipped and bolded.

A defendant in a U.S. court never has to prove innocence. It is the burden of the government (the prosecutors) to prove guilt.

And in this case, I think the prosecutors have enough for a jury to convict. The only defense, from what I can tell, would be to poke holes in the investigation and try to dismiss evidence from being presented in court. I don't think that tactic will work. He's toast, imo.

jmo

 

[arielilane]

1 hr ago

#RexHeuermann towered over everyone else in the courtroom today. He whispered to his defense attorney as he stood feet away from the judge.

Before #RexHeuermann left the courtroom today... he paused, looked over at myself and other members of the media in the gallery and then walked out slowly.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1686463681666727936

https://twitter.com/MattJohnsonNEWS

5 hr ago

Media line forming outside the courtroom ahead of the 2pm pre-trial hearing for Long Island Serial Killer suspect #RexHeuermann.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1686397286673256448

 

[HecatesDaughter]

He actually looks like he’s lost some weight in the couple of weeks he’s been behind bars. Stress will do that to ya!

Stress and a narcissist who wants what food he wants and not prison food. Or the commissary junk you can get. Who knows what's going on in there but I doubt it's stress making him thin. It might not be helping but IMHO it isn't stress that is slimming his waistline. And for all we know his lawyer got him a waist trainer or something. There's plenty of ways to look better for cameras etc.

EDIT: Actually on closer examination, he looks more weathered, older, droopier in the face not really thinner. His waistline looks the same. And given that people would be losing from your waistline first (more or less) than your face, for him to look that way. Maybe you're right and it is a bit of stress though, if you drink the proper amount of water your face will slim down so maybe he's drinking more in prison than eating which could account for his 'thinner' face. That's one thing that is abundant in lockup, water. Yeah, if you do commissary there's plenty of sugar and salt to go around but if you mostly stick to the 3 meals instead you're filling the gap with water.

This is very much based off my watching 60 days in (I don't take it as an absolute it's still very much a reality show to me and I don't trust reality shows to not be somewhat scripted) I've never been in the prison system or known anyone who was to the degree that we discussed how it was on the inside, and things have changed very much since then any way especially since COVID.

I just get this image of him sitting with his arms folded at a table all alone just being either testy about everything or being treated like some king because he's accused of being an accused serial killer. I don't remember the entire hierarchy of prisons/jail and if I deep dive into a google search right now I feel like my eyes will fall out. I've had a lot more screen time lately and my eyes have been blurry for two days and I think I need a break but I'm desperate to stay caught up with all of you. But...Self care first! Amiright?!

 

[arielilane]

2 hr ago

Rules for cameras in New York for state proceedings (not federal) is that it is up to the judge if cameras are allowed but NEVER for witness testimony. Sometimes we've been allowed openings/closings/verdict/sentencing.

https://twitter.com/cathyrusson

 

[Mandalas]

Snipped and bolded.

A defendant in a U.S. court never has to prove innocence. It is the burden of the government (the prosecutors) to prove guilt.

And in this case, I think the prosecutors have enough for a jury to convict. The only defense, from what I can tell, would be to poke holes in the investigation and try to dismiss evidence from being presented in court. I don't think that tactic will work. He's toast, imo.

jmo

Sorry, of course you're right. Innocent until proven guilty. I was lazy in my use of language. It is the lawyer's job to do his job in terms of representing his client as the defense.

It's just hard knowing what we do know how that could be pulled apart. But I get that we don't have the full picture, and aren't likely by the sounds of things to get a huge amount of insight.

Will the process be public then, in the usual way? Do we have a sense of when they will come together again in court?

Sorry, I'm lacking knowledge about the court process.

 

[amaraya]

The spotlight on the family has attracted onlookers who show up at the home “just to get a glimpse of what’s going on at the house,” Macedonio said.

Ellerup has been in touch with Heuermann since his arrest, the attorney said, though he did not provide further details.

The wife and children have also received support, Macedonio said, including from the daughter of serial killer Keith Hunter Jesperson, the so-called “Happy Face Killer.”

“It’s been extremely overwhelming for her and the children trying to piece life back together to what it was two and a half weeks ago,” Macedonio said. “I don’t know if they’re ever going to return to normalcy, but day by day she’s getting better.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/01/us/rex-heuermann-wife-gilgo-beach-killings-home/index.html

i feel horrible for the family. to go through all of the shock and trauma of finding out who he is and who knows whatever they dealt with prior to this, and the gawkers on top of it. ridiculous. that being said, i am a new yorker and the first thing people do is run to the corner or the next town over to see whatever's going on. chismosos, gossips.add tiktokers to the mix.ug. it is, however, very touching to see the support for the family from the neighbors, esp given how irrate they must feel at the disruption and chaos it's created. but i do hope they have the means and opportunity to leave all of this behind.

 

[Lyanna]

If I see Iris Eytan chiming in on this case I am going to be really p'd off.
Just putting it out there in advance of all the experts/top lawyers etc who are going to offer up insights in the coming weeks and months.

Moo

 

[Mandalas]

This article, for comparison, mentions 2 x 4TB drives (doesn't mean they are full, could be just the size), vs 8GB mentioned earlier by others.

Gilgo beach killer suspect Rex Heuermann makes second court appearance as lawyer insists he's innocent​

Speaking outside the court afterwards, his attorney, Michael Brown, sparred with the media and insisted on his innocence.

'He told me he didn't do this,' he said, before bemoaning the size of the evidence file and how long it will take to go through it.

'The DA has a whole office... I'm just one guy.

'Just to pore through the discovery is an enormous task but we're going to do it, we're prepared to do it.

'Whether it's one year or a year and a half, whenever that day comes we're looking forward to defending this case,' he said, adding that he would try to have the trial moved out of Suffolk County.

'This case is one we are going to try in the courtroom.

The press has convicted my client without a shred of evidence, he doesn't stand a chance,' he said.

 

[Lyanna]

Case Details - Motions

Why would they have buccal swab under motions?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

It's like a large rubbish container, people use them when moving home or doing a mega clear out etc

I've never heard of anyone using them for moving home.

You just throw rubbish in them.
Yes the big clean out.
You hire them for a day or two, or a week and the company comes and takes them away.

 

[DS2021]

Why would they have buccal swab under motions?

Interesting. Did we ever get a definite answer about when they would be allowed to enter his dna into codis?

 

[CuriousCricket]

Case Details - Motions

Why would they have buccal swab under motions?

Has the DA presented a motion to the court to allow a buccal swab for a better, more controlled DNA test of Heuermann?

 

[Mirabel091]

But there was a problem: The homicide detectives chasing the lead were bordering on mutiny.

Prosecutors believed the detectives refused to follow orders and clashed with federal partners, multiple high-level law enforcement officials familiar with the case said. Detectives, meanwhile, felt that the district attorney at the time, Tim Sini, was forcing them to investigate leads they had already ruled out while ratcheting up pressure to solve the case before his 2021 reelection bid. The tension grew so high that, at Sini’s urging, the case’s longtime lead detective was removed.

I am gifting this article, it's important enough.

https://wapo.st/47fzglV

Thank you. Very interesting, and so frustrating.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

But there was a problem: The homicide detectives chasing the lead were bordering on mutiny.

Prosecutors believed the detectives refused to follow orders and clashed with federal partners, multiple high-level law enforcement officials familiar with the case said. Detectives, meanwhile, felt that the district attorney at the time, Tim Sini, was forcing them to investigate leads they had already ruled out while ratcheting up pressure to solve the case before his 2021 reelection bid. The tension grew so high that, at Sini’s urging, the case’s longtime lead detective was removed.

I am gifting this article, it's important enough.

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a big thanks to you.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Interesting. Did we ever get a definite answer about when they would be allowed to enter his dna into codis?

I believe it was discussed that his DNA will be entered only if he's convicted. However, a work around is that if other LE in various locations have DNA from some of their cases they want to check against Heuermann's they can contact Suffolk County LE for a comparison. As I understood the discussion.

 

[Lyanna]

Interesting. Did we ever get a definite answer about when they would be allowed to enter his dna into codis?

Read that they couldn't enter it to link to other unsolved cases until/unless he's convicted of these ones.
But I can't remember where I read it to link so will say MOO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

He actually looks like he’s lost some weight in the couple of weeks he’s been behind bars. Stress will do that to ya!

I agree he looks thinner. But sometimes, all it takes is a casual suit jacket and striped shirt.

Also, if he is a drinker........... the sudden drop in liquor, takes off pounds immediately.
Have no idea if this is the case, but I have seen sudden weight loss in some good friends who decided to go cold turkey on the cocktails!!!