Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #6

[b_lab7410]

his defense will have to be that he just picked SWs who all happened to be killed by some one else- of course he called them....and he left hairs- of course he did. Not sure about the harassing calls to relatives. that's a tough one to explain away, but those will have to have been done by the other killer. wonder if he has any alibis for the days the victims disappeared. so long ago it would be unusual if he has calendars from those dates, but LE is saying it was when his family was away. He can have other SWs testify that he was always nice and polite to them; would not hurt a fly.

i don't think so.. I believe they will have found tons of trophies. He can't explain that away.

 

[kittythehare]

The time difference between burner phones attaching to cell towers and Heuermann's own phone connecting to cell towers.

which text are you citing?
If you put a link on your posts I'll be able to understand what you are saying. Does NY have 2 time zones, then? I know some states have.. but I'm over here in Iceland and often get mixed up

 

[b_lab7410]

Right. NY has two time zones, then?

no

 

[Pavor Nocturnus]

which text are you citing?
If you put a link on your posts I'll be able to understand what you are saying. Does NY have 2 time zones, then? I know some states have.. but I'm over here in Iceland and often get mixed up

07142023_Bail Application Form_Heuermann

www.documentcloud.org

 

[kittythehare]

07142023_Bail Application Form_Heuermann

www.documentcloud.org

yeah but that's a large document, which part precisely? Context is everything.

 

[iamshadow21]

The result was not "Icelandic hair" but "mitochondrial haplogroup K1c2". That could mean German hair too.

K1c2 mtDNA Haplogroup

Wiki page on K1c2 mtDNA Haplogroup.

www.wikitree.com

That female person, with that profile who would have to be in close proximity to a male with a profile that matches RH (hairs from both left on Megan), the male whose profile cannot be excluded from RH (pizza box, then buccal swab).

The numbers on the probability of that occurring in two other random LI residents who also have connections to Massapequa Park and Midtown, where the female is known to be out of the region when the killings happened, where the male is out of the country when Melissa's phone is off, but her phone is back on the day after he is back home... the numbers on that are going to be far, far lower.

It isn't one piece of evidence he's been arrested on the weight of, it's the totality of what they have gathered, and we're only seeing a fraction of it so far. Wait until trial, and we're going to see exactly how much they have and how it connects. The CAST evidence from Gannon's trial was particularly compelling. I think this trial is going to hinge just as hard on the data.

MOO

 

[b_lab7410]

bbm
I agree so far, as in my eyes he is not looking scary or ugly. To name him ie. "Frankenstein", I find completely exaggerated. Nevertheless he is a killer; we will learn, how many victims he left behind.

I am going to take a leap here that white males are having a problem identifying Rex as odd, leery, intimidating, or hulking. As a petite framed, short POC female, he is ALL those things. And males that have oddball behaviors, seem secretive, and/or have solitude attitudes should give someone red flags. You're not going to see where I'm coming from and I'm a bit sleep deprived at the moment to take this any further than that but I believe this will resonate with men and women that have survived certain experiences. MOST serial killers are profiled as white and male in the USA for obvious population volume alone. So sex workers, associates, his next-door neighbor, they have all said this guy made them think he was narcissistic, dangerous, and pulling a fast one on them (including a woman in Massapequa Park shortly before his actual arrest.

The guy, essentially has resting <modsnip: profanity> face. That's what you fail to identify and see due to society's blindsights.

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[Warwick7]

"Rex Heuermann’s attorney has said that the suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer is “traumatised” by his sudden arrest – as he claims that the 59-year-old married father-of-two has already been “convicted by the media”.

I wonder if his victims felt traumatized?!!!

Rex Heuermann is ‘traumatised’ by Gilgo Beach murders arrest, attorney says

Attorney claims the case against the accused serial killer consists of only ‘circumstantial evidence’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Pavor Nocturnus]

yeah but that's a large document, which part precisely? Context is everything.

Page 10 and 11 for instance.

 

[Pinkizzy]

So I've been doing some research on missing and women murdered in Las Vegas ... Since RH has/had a timeshare there and it Vegas is a mecca for prostitution.Is there a thread for those cases being connected to RH somewhere ...or is it appropriate to bring up sleuthing the possible connection to RH in those individual threads for each woman? Also some interesting things in Reno... I hope I'm making sense. I got little sleep last night because insomnia! That's probably how I got into sleuthing to begin with... Sigh.

There's a thread about Victoria Camara, you could group the Las Vegas girls together - Las Vegas Serial Killer

 

[iamshadow21]

Page 10 and 11 for instance.

I'm confused as to what you're trying to prove; everything in those pages suggests the phones were in the vicinity of each other, without any kind of delay or timezone difference.

The phones were contacting the towers presumably when in use, so he was making a call with one, sending a text from another, or using the internet. I wouldn't expect any two phones to be connecting to exactly the same tower at exactly the same moment all the time - the phone system doesn't work like that.

MOO

 

[TravelingBug]

Page 10 and 11 for instance.

Assuming you mean instances like this?

Following Ms. Barthelemy’s disappearance, on July 17, 2009, at approximately 12:40 pm., a male caller used the Barthelemy Phone to contact Ms. Barthelemy’s family. The Barthelemy Phone was located in New York City at this time, specifically attached to a cellular tower located at 4 Penn Plaza, which is approximately 2,372 feet or .45 miles from Heuermann’s then-office space, which at the time was located at 19 West 36" Street, New York,NY(see illustration below). On this same date, at approximately 1:45 pm., billing records from Heuermann’s phone also show a call location in New York City.

It's showing the times calls were made from each phone and that they were in basically the same general location.

A call was made from the victim phone an hour before a call from Heuermann's phone.

It's purely showing IN USE call times from phones and that his phone and a victim phone (and his phone and a burner phone on pages 12 & 13) were in close proximity to one another AND known locations of RH.

It's not purporting to show non-stop ping locations of phones, just parallels specific to USE of the phones (as far as location/time).

 

[Pavor Nocturnus]

Assuming you mean instances like this?



It's showing the times calls were made from each phone and that they were in basically the same location.

A call was made from the victim phone an hour before a call from Heuermann's phone.

It's purely showing IN USE call times from phones and that his phone and a victim phone (and his phone and a burner phone on pages 12 & 13) were in close proximity to one another AND known locations of RH.

It's not purporting to show non-stop ping locations of phones, just parallels specific to USE of the phones (as far as location/time)

How do you know that Heuermann's phone was in close proximity to 4 Penn Plaza an hour later? It doesn't say that at all.

 

[Jurisprudence]

That's what I understand the term to mean anyway - a motion is a request to the court to decide on something. Could be completely way off as IANAL, but it seemed a little odd to me. What is it about the buccal swab that needs a decision? Would expect a swab to be taken when someone is arrested on murder charges (again, possibly wrong in my expectation here!) so is the swab is from something else and before he was charged so the defence doesn't want it used?
Just seemed a little strange to me

Moo

Yes on what it means. jmo. And, it seems strange to me too. (Very, actually)

jmo

 

[Just K]

I wasn’t able to keep up and had to read 45 pages over the last few days. I still have 37 pages to go. But I really want to get some thoughts out, here.

1. <modsnip: off topic>

2. <modsnip: sleuthing family is off limits>

3.I keep thinking that in his line of work, RH might very well have met real estate guy, J. Brewer and construction worker J. Bittrolf.

4. Who went with him on his “hunting” trips?

5. Did he know James Burke or Thomas Spota?

6. Re: Atlantic City, I keep remembering an interview with a SW who recalled a client, in a room with a group of men and something about a white van. This worker was very spooked by one of the men and gave a good description of the guy she suspected was the killer. Iirc, she knew at least one of the victims. Does anyone else remember this woman’s story and where it might be in our archives?

That’s it for now- it’s time to get to page 38, here.

 

[Just K]

A couple mo more things:
In his early does before he opened his own businesses, RH spent quite a lot of time on jobs in Brooklyn and the Bronx. It is not unreasonable to think that he was well aware of vacant, abandoned and dilapidated buildings either due to be destroyed or sold or being repaired, updated and reconditioned. The thought that Jessica Taylor and later Sugar Bear both lived with Khalil White and near the sight of so many rundown structures where several brutally murdered people were found, just makes me wonder if RH knew about those specific buildings.

1994 was a very significant year for RH- who would have been about 30 or 31 years old. He married AE, his daughter was born, he bought his mother’s house and iirc he started his business.

 

[Soulmagent]

snipped for my response

This is (another) great article providing info on evidence, thank you

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Haha your probably right ,a lawyer! Just joking. I used to hear great lawyer jokes ,then the 80's ended.

 

[iamshadow21]

A couple mo more things:
In his early does before he opened his own businesses, RH spent quite a lot of time on jobs in Brooklyn and the Bronx. It is not unreasonable to think that he was well aware of vacant, abandoned and dilapidated buildings either due to be destroyed or sold or being repaired, updated and reconditioned. The thought that Jessica Taylor and later Sugar Bear both lived with Khalil White and near the sight of so many rundown structures where several brutally murdered people were found, just makes me wonder if RH knew about those specific buildings.

1994 was a very significant year for RH- who would have been about 30 or 31 years old. He married AE, his daughter was born, he bought his mother’s house and iirc he started his business.

I hadn't heard that Jessica Taylor and Sugar Bear both lived with Khalil White. Do you have a source so I can read about it? Thanks in advance.

 

[Just K]

More women coming forward claiming connections with Gilgo Beach murders suspect, sheriff says

Rex Heuermann is charged with killing three women and is the prime suspect in a fourth death, authorities say.

www.cbsnews.com

There are a few mistakes in this report. First the writer says “a storage unit” - not two and said RH lived there with his “two” daughters- it should say with his daughter and step son.

 

[Inthedetails]

How about in 2010? And if the burner phones and Heuermann's own phone were connecting to the same towers why didn't they mention that? As I said, for Heuernann's own phone it's always unnamed call locations in New York City.

The document that has been released is not all the evidence that they have. It's not realistic to expect the prosecutors to present their entire case publicly until they are in court in front of a jury. This is how it works for every case, not just this one. Each document has a purpose and you're asking the document that has been released to do more than its purpose.

Welcome to WS.

jmo