Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Barbie619]

The night terror was correct that DS was inconsistent. But that was because of many factors, including fear of revenge on him by the killer, and advice by LE to stop talking. LE says it had the vehicle description for a decade. They also don't name the witness, although DS seems logical.

Maybe the witness was someone else in that dense suburb.

Maybe the witness was DS and he did not with to give a specific car discription to the public, being that the owner could have been a killer, and surely knew where DS lived.

MOO

It was DS interview on the Killing Season where he mentioned seeing the vehicle Amber Costello got into the last time he saw her. He didn't mention any further details that have since been released to the public.

 

[Warwick7]

The night terror was correct that DS was inconsistent. But that was because of many factors, including fear of revenge on him by the killer, and advice by LE to stop talking. LE says it had the vehicle description for a decade. They also don't name the witness, although DS seems logical.

Maybe the witness was someone else in that dense suburb.

Maybe the witness was DS and he did not with to give a specific car discription to the public, being that the owner could have been a killer, and surely knew where DS lived.

MOO

BBM
I also want to add fear or revenge from LE that was crooked and since then had been arrested.

I am only 1/2 way thru the depositions, but it really seems to me DS really cared for SG. That said, I am only 1/2 way done. If he did become inconsistent, there are plenty reading why.

I'm thinking of Diaz

 

[Barbie619]

He looks like anyone else that has been accused of being a serial killer. I have read all the pages in the Heuermann threads where people comment what an ogre he is, how scary he looks, how he would look killing the women, etc. He doesn't look scary. He's just tall and heavy set. He doesn't walk weirdly. There was nothing odd about him in the interview with the WEIRDO French guy. There was nothing odd about him in the recorded phone call to whatever her name is.

And Costello's pimp who claimed to have seen his car is lying. Watch the old documentaries, read the old articles about LISK. Not once did he mention a car. Then all of a sudden, 13 years later, a pickup truck appears. Hell, they didn't even report Costello missing back when she was murdered.
8TB might seem like much, but it isn't really. Michael Brown will crush

I'm surprised to see a pro RH comment. When DS was interviewed for the killing season, he actually talked about the vehicle AC got into and the last time he saw her. He didn't give details about the car or the previous nights encountered when AC rolled him and kept his money. DS must have been that person because it was his home and Amber was staying with him and was using his phone for her business.

 

[NyxNY]

I think that the one thing against the hotel bibles theory, is that as far as I know, all four girls (including Maureen) were doing 'out calls' at the time they went missing. They were going to the client (or with him to a location), which from phone data would suggest would be at his home. I've seen no suggestion that the dates were at hotels, or that he came to them at a location, with the exception of the 'scam' with Amber the day before she disappeared, and even that wasn't a hotel but a home. Megan was living at a Holiday Inn, but she left the premises for her date rather than her client meeting her in her room.

Of course, he could have rented a room for the date, but then he would have been leaving a paper trail, and would have had to get their bodies out of the establishment and to his car without being observed or recorded. Not impossible, but if his wife was away, and the house was empty? Not to mention his house kind of seems to hold a weird status for him? I think it more likely he took them there, to an environment he knew intimately and could control completely.

MOO

My theory is far-fetched, I know. Yes, out calls when they went missing. However, they were not only doing out calls. For example, while Megan went missing on an out call, she was leaving the Holiday Inn in Hauppauge, NY where she regularly conducted business. We do not know how many times prior to them going missing that they had appointments withy RH or where. I would also bet my life on it that there are more victims that we currently aren't aware of.

 

[ArianeEmory]

The lovely thought is that while it's horrible he wasn't caught earlier, he had to live with the knowledge, every day and every moment, that he was sitting on a powder keg that could blow him sky high any moment.

I’m not a terribly vindictive person by nature, but since forensic genealogy has exploded, I’ve enjoyed imagining how many murderers and rapists are sweating it out and waiting for the knock on the door. Tick tock, guys. Careful with those pizza crusts. (But it won’t help. You won’t be able to be careful enough.)

Ok, I guess I have a tiny vindictive spark.

 

[iamshadow21]

I first heard this term with Gabby Petito and how she was murdered by Brian Laundry. Terrifying way to die.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Tammy Daybell was burked, though I have nothing definitive to point to except the fact that she had body bruising but no facial bruising or marks of manual strangulation.

I'm pretty sure all four of the GB4 were strangled, though. Doesn't mean he couldn't have used his size to overpower them, though. In fact, I'm sure it was an important part of the ritual of killing for him. Size difference seems to have been a key interest for him, if the build of his victims and his search history are to be relied upon.

MOO

 

[Barbie619]

BBM
I also want to add fear or revenge from LE that was crooked and since then had been arrested.

I am only 1/2 way thru the depositions, but it really seems to me DS really cared for SG. That said, I am only 1/2 way done. If he did become inconsistent, there are plenty reading why.

I'm thinking of Diaz

DS was a friend of Amber Costello and she was staying at his home the night she disappeared. Excellent point about the fear not realizing it was crooked department. So many factors that came together during that time period that lead to botching the case and all the years it took to bring it back together and finally arresting the suspect.

 

[iamshadow21]

My theory is far-fetched, I know. Yes, out calls when they went missing. However, they were not only doing out calls. For example, while Megan went missing on an out call, she was leaving the Holiday Inn in Hauppauge, NY where she regularly conducted business. We do not know how many times prior to them going missing that they had appointments withy RH or where. I would also bet my life on it that there are more victims that we currently aren't aware of.

Oh, I agree with you 100%. I'm not saying it isn't plausible, it could have happened exactly as you say! Just because I think the home is a more likely place is not a fact, it's just my opinion, pay it no mind!

I am in complete agreement on the death toll. I think there are so many we don't know about. I hope we learn their names and get justice for them, too.

MOO

 

[Barbie619]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Tammy Daybell was burked, though I have nothing definitive to point to except the fact that she had body bruising but no facial bruising or marks of manual strangulation.

I'm pretty sure all four of the GB4 were strangled, though. Doesn't mean he couldn't have used his size to overpower them, though. In fact, I'm sure it was an important part of the ritual of killing for him. Size difference seems to have been a key interest for him, if the build of his victims and his search history are to be relied upon.

MOO

Yes, it does seem he wanted a particular type of woman to use for his crimes against them.

 

[Charlot123]

The result was not "Icelandic hair" but "mitochondrial haplogroup K1c2". That could mean German hair too.

K1c2 mtDNA Haplogroup

Wiki page on K1c2 mtDNA Haplogroup.

www.wikitree.com

In fact, they can’t say “ethnicity” based on mito DNA. You maternal line’s very remote ethnicity might be told but might be not what you think you are.

MitoDNA mutates. The whole issue with identification of the Romanov’s remains stalled because of heteroplasmy (a point mutation that might reverse back).

This is why we have so many haplogroups starting from “mitochondrial Eve”. She had L, I think. Mitochondrial Eve - Wikipedia

And full mitochondrial sequencing might be very individual within a haplogroup as it includes private mutations.

(And god forbid criminologists can now extract parts of nuclear of DNA from human hair although with imputations…that will probably be on case by case basis.)

Mitochondrial DNA - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(Now: this is about the Romanovs DNA identification because it shows the progress of science. If we have “historical criminology” section I am thinking to contribute. The whole story with the search for the slain tzar’s family starts in the Soviet time when the greedy bureaucracy hoped to find diamonds buried with their bodies.)) )

The identification of the Romanovs: Can we (finally) put the controversies to rest? - Investigative Genetics

For much of the 20th century the fate of the last Imperial family of Russia, the Romanovs, was a mystery after their execution in 1918. In the mid 1970s the mass grave of the Romanov family (minus two of the children) was discovered and officially exhumed after the fall of the Soviet Union...

investigativegenetics.biomedcentral.com

 

[Soulmagent]

But think how much technology has changed in 20 years and will in the next 20. He recognized the possibilities . . . The lovely thought is that while it's horrible he wasn't caught earlier, he had to live with the knowledge, every day and every moment, that he was sitting on a powder keg that could blow him sky high any moment.

Hey cCricket , your post made me think about something different .

The progression of crime. Some of the knowledge today was not even thought about a decade ago, so no way to plan.

''Like the Golden State Killer, a cop who the minute DNA was introduced appears to have realized what it meant in the investigation of crimes and appears to have stopped killing.''

Suspect in Gilgo Beach Killings Hears Catalog of Evidence Against Him

My paraphrasing of this article, as I don't want to infringe on copyright TOS on Websleuths, the assistant district attorney told the court that prosecutors had turned over only the first portion of evidence to the defense.

Which was 8 tera bits? First dump. wow. 6 months ... worth of watching where he be,recording where he has been . documenting his footpath ..I can not wait for the state of NY to proves to me , and shows me all the evidence.

 

[CuriousCricket]

I'm surprised to see a pro RH comment.

When DS was interviewed for the killing season, he actually talked about the vehicle AC got into and the last time he saw her. He didn't give details about the car or the previous nights encountered when AC rolled him and kept his money. DS must have been that person because it was his home and Amber was staying with him and was using his phone for her business.

Don't we need balance to really examine any case? and DS? don't get me started. He didn't even report AC missing. He's essential to the case, but I don't have to like or trust him.

Pavor Nocturnus has made no secret of believing the wrong person has been arrested. I'll bet there are others who think the same thing.

It's difficult for me to see that having seen the phone info combined with the DNA. The mtDNA I would discount if it stood alone since I know it's not person-specific. So RH's mtDNA is shared with all his siblings and their daughters, as well as any descendants of his mother's sisters and his grandmother's sisters, and on back.

The mtDNA of RH's wife is passed on to both her children and shared also with her sister and any other siblings. Don't they all live in the area?

I am personally a perfect mtDNA match with a descendant of my great-grandmother's half-sister. So, our mtDNA has passed without mutation since the 1840s. It is not person-specific.

It is the total weight of the evidence presented so far that make me think they have the right person.

However, there's enough swirling about with the Costello case to make me suspect this is deeper and to wonder if it will be searched to the bottom or skimmed on the top for the low-lying fruit.

I'm also with Pavor Nocturnus as I don't see the photos of RH as intimidating or threatening. He's a big man, but without the charges I would not find him threatening.

At the hearing, his "icy" glare was an interpretation of the media, selling the audience on a serial killer monster. RH has been completely alone for 2 weeks now. Apparently he'll get no support from his family. His world is gone and he's facing the horrible knowledge that you can only be a famous serial killer IF YOU GET CAUGHT.

If he's lucky, when other men are arrested in the future, he may be trotted out, put in nice clothing and allowed to give interviews like Dennis Rader and Joel Rifkin were following his arrest. But RH may not have done enough to become really infamous. We'll have to wait and see. And he'll have to wade through this horrifying mess he's created before he gets there and to deal with all the emotional reactions I doubt he ever considered.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Hey cCricket , your post made me think about something different .

The progression of crime. Some of the knowledge today was not even thought about a decade ago, so no way to plan.

''Like the Golden State Killer, a cop who the minute DNA was introduced appears to have realized what it meant in the investigation of crimes and appears to have stopped killing.''

Which was 8 tera bits? First dump. wow. 6 months ... worth of watching where he be,recording where he has been . documenting his footpath ..I can not wait for the state of NY to proves to me , and shows me all the evidence.

I agree. and another aspect of this is that RH was being tailed and filmed, but appears to have no idea.

Doesn't that re-enforce the idea that it IS possible for his wife and family to have had no idea what he was doing?

 

[Warwick7]

Don't we need balance to really examine any case? and DS? don't get me started. He didn't even report AC missing. He's essential to the case, but I don't have to like or trust him.

Pavor Nocturnus has made no secret of believing the wrong person has been arrested. I'll bet there are others who think the same thing.

It's difficult for me to see that having seen the phone info combined with the DNA. The mtDNA I would discount if it stood alone since I know it's not person-specific. So RH's mtDNA is shared with all his siblings and their daughters, as well as any descendants of his mother's sisters and his grandmother's sisters, and on back.

The mtDNA of RH's wife is passed on to both her children and shared also with her sister and any other siblings. Don't they all live in the area?

I am personally a perfect mtDNA match with a descendant of my great-grandmother's half-sister. So, our mtDNA has passed without mutation since the 1840s. It is not person-specific.

It is the total weight of the evidence presented so far that make me think they have the right person.

However, there's enough swirling about with the Costello case to make me suspect this is deeper and to wonder if it will be searched to the bottom or skimmed on the top for the low-lying fruit.

I'm also with Pavor Nocturnus as I don't see the photos of RH as intimidating or threatening. He's a big man, but without the charges I would not find him threatening.

At the hearing, his "icy" glare was an interpretation of the media, selling the audience on a serial killer monster. RH has been completely alone for 2 weeks now. Apparently he'll get no support from his family. His world is gone and he's facing the horrible knowledge that you can only be a famous serial killer IF YOU GET CAUGHT.

If he's lucky, when other men are arrested in the future, he may be trotted out, put in nice clothing and allowed to give interviews like Dennis Rader and Joel Rifkin were following his arrest. But RH may not have done enough to become really infamous. We'll have to wait and see. And he'll have to wade through this horrifying mess he's created before he gets there and to deal with all the emotional reactions I doubt he ever considered.

BMM

MOO is his icy hateful glare was picked up on by SO many of us in the public. I didn't need to have the media tell me his eyes looked heinous.

You're right he is going to have wade through this horrifying mess he's created.

 

[Charlot123]

Don't we need balance to really examine any case? and DS? don't get me started. He didn't even report AC missing. He's essential to the case, but I don't have to like or trust him.

Pavor Nocturnus has made no secret of believing the wrong person has been arrested. I'll bet there are others who think the same thing.

It's difficult for me to see that having seen the phone info combined with the DNA. The mtDNA I would discount if it stood alone since I know it's not person-specific. So RH's mtDNA is shared with all his siblings and their daughters, as well as any descendants of his mother's sisters and his grandmother's sisters, and on back.

The mtDNA of RH's wife is passed on to both her children and shared also with her sister and any other siblings. Don't they all live in the area?

I am personally a perfect mtDNA match with a descendant of my great-grandmother's half-sister. So, our mtDNA has passed without mutation since the 1840s. It is not person-specific.

It is the total weight of the evidence presented so far that make me think they have the right person.

However, there's enough swirling about with the Costello case to make me suspect this is deeper and to wonder if it will be searched to the bottom or skimmed on the top for the low-lying fruit.

I'm also with Pavor Nocturnus as I don't see the photos of RH as intimidating or threatening. He's a big man, but without the charges I would not find him threatening.

At the hearing, his "icy" glare was an interpretation of the media, selling the audience on a serial killer monster. RH has been completely alone for 2 weeks now. Apparently he'll get no support from his family. His world is gone and he's facing the horrible knowledge that you can only be a famous serial killer IF YOU GET CAUGHT.

If he's lucky, when other men are arrested in the future, he may be trotted out, put in nice clothing and allowed to give interviews like Dennis Rader and Joel Rifkin were following his arrest. But RH may not have done enough to become really infamous. We'll have to wait and see. And he'll have to wade through this horrifying mess he's created before he gets there and to deal with all the emotional reactions I doubt he ever considered.

Well, here is an issue. I collected a lot of DNAs from different older relatives and ran them via different commercial systems. For myself, my dad, my maternal uncle and some other people I did full mitochondrial sequences via FTDNA.

Full mito checks for private mutations. And while there seemed to be no additional ones between me and my maternal uncle (vice versa), it moved us from the commonest mito group to our own. One mutation. So it you look at our mito the way 23@me defines it, it will be “like everyone else”. If you look at FTDNA, it will be “your mitos are forming their own group, we just need more people”.

Same probably applies to everyone else. Just a mitochondrial haplogroup may not fully describe yours. If it is “common in Iceland” group, it will come to “how many women of Icelandic descent live in Long Island?” All Iceland is 360000 people, good luck… And it is not the only mito in Iceland, either.
And then, “how many women with Icelandic mito of this type pair with men who have (XYZ) mito and live in LI?”

I doubt it is common.

 

[Charlot123]

I agree. and another aspect of this is that RH was being tailed and filmed, but appears to have no idea.

Doesn't that re-enforce the idea that it IS possible for his wife and family to have had no idea what he was doing?

His wife comes across as a reasonable woman, able to pull herself together in these difficult circumstances.

I doubt that she knew and kept silent because no one would, and the odds of two nutters of this type knowingly living under the same roof is slim. Like lots of people, she was probably in denial.

 

[iamshadow21]

Actually, the same thought had occurred to me -- would all three phones be shown traveling together? However, what if RH simply shut one phone off, when he switched to using the other? SO, he's planning activities that go on the burner phone. He shuts off his personal phone. When he gets thru the "burner activities" he shuts down the burner phone and turns his personal phone back on ---- NOW, that would have to show up, in the pings, wouldn't it? hmmmm wonder if it does? Or would he shut down a phone, travel to where he needed to use a phone, then turn the correct one on? In the bail application, there are a couple of times he appears to have cross used the phones. I thought sloppy. But once he had done that a time or two, don't you think he'd have devised a work-around -- such as shutting off the phone he would not be using?

I think that, simply, like a lot of us before the bail documentation hit the public, he assumed that burner phones weren't able to be traced to him. Why be elusive if you think LE has no way of knowing it's you?

MOO

 

[Sundog]

A couple mo more things:
In his early does before he opened his own businesses, RH spent quite a lot of time on jobs in Brooklyn and the Bronx. It is not unreasonable to think that he was well aware of vacant, abandoned and dilapidated buildings either due to be destroyed or sold or being repaired, updated and reconditioned. The thought that Jessica Taylor and later Sugar Bear both lived with Khalil White and near the sight of so many rundown structures where several brutally murdered people were found, just makes me wonder if RH knew about those specific buildings.

1994 was a very significant year for RH- who would have been about 30 or 31 years old. He married AE, his daughter was born, he bought his mother’s house and iirc he started his business.

IIRC, he bought his mother's home in 1994 and opened up his own business in 1994. Got married two years later.

 

[passionflower]

His wife comes across as a reasonable woman, able to pull herself together in these difficult circumstances.

I doubt that she knew and kept silent because no one would, and the odds of two nutters of this type knowingly living under the same roof is slim. Like lots of people, she was probably in denial.

I read she was in her own world of comic books and conventions so pre occupied away from him probably

 

[Sundog]

We only have details for a few of these woman but how lucky for the dismemberment crew that Rex happened to be murdering woman and sticking them in his back yard.

<snippef for focus>

I hadn't heard that it was confirmed that there was evidence of bodies being buried in RH's backyard. Is there a link with LE saying otherwise? I thought the search of the backyard did not result in finding any evidence of burial of victims, IIRC.