Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #7

[Dhighsmith]

Hence why it's important that everything is documented at every stage - collection, processing, interpretation. What they did, how they did it, how they arrived at the result they did. They're going to be asked on the stand to show their work, so they'd better be able to.

She's behind bars for fraud because the idea she had was never viable, they never made it work, they fabricated evidence to support their claim it did work, and they took money from a lot of people including the government to 'build' it when they never built anything. I don't think you can compare Elizabeth Holmes and her smoke and mirrors with almost forty years of forensic science using DNA, when what Holmes did was essentially just a modern version of a classic scam that has fleeced many a person of their cash in the last few centuries. Silver mine, anyone? I can get you in on the ground floor.

Don't get me wrong, ANY science can be misused or held up as proof of something it isn't. But there are few things so closely examined as DNA in forensic science right now, except perhaps electronic data interpretation. I don't see DNA falling from grace as hard and fast as Theranos in my lifetime, if ever.

MOO

Absolutely agree with your statements. I’m hopeful even more advances in DNA testing will help solve many more cold cases that’s been awaiting justice.
I’m often too gullible, I want to believe that initially Theranos, maybe not necessarily Holmes herself, started out with good intentions. When research results failed almost from the beginning so did she, all the attention and financial success in excess from the fraudulent concept of a miracle test pulled her deeper into the black hole of evil deception and corruption. To me she shows no remorse or responsibility, continuing to mislead during her testimony- she was never Steve Jobs’ equal more like Kenneth Lay of Enron. JMO.

 

[Warwick7]

I might be misunderstanding (on multiple levels), but they can’t compel her to testify against him. She also might be willing to help them but not have any viable information (being out of town during his crimes).

True...

 

[Warwick7]

I too was going to comment on that I thought it was odd she had not been interviewed.

I was thinking she might be able to “remember” something, like maybe a time period when he came home with scratches per say, or blood, etc, etc., etc.

The show on ID “Evil Lives Here” comes to mind, when they have the partners recount their experiences and life living with a SK, and the theme of the show “But there had been signs...”

I wasn’t going to bring it up because I didn’t want it to be misconstrued that maybe she should have noticed things, because sometimes these killers are good at hiding things, etc. And in no way must this lady be blamed for anything.

But from the standpoint of hindsight being 20/20, I would think she might be able to provide useful information to investigators. It seems at this point she was out of town on the charged crimes, but that does not mean she might have always been out of town.

Again, this is not to point blame towards her in any way because she is also an innocent victim. But again, maybe she even knows something she doesn’t think she might now.

As mentioned she can’t be compelled to testify against her husband, but perhaps she can point them in a direction, like hypothetically, “One time he took a work trip to so-and-so”, or whatever it might be.

Great post!

 

[Warwick7]

If I had NOT murdered these women or anyone else I would be hollering to give me a dna buccal swab!!
Holla!!!
He better hope he doesn't ever need to be tested for covid. Lol!!

 

[Sundog]

When exactly did RH’s work website go down, do you guys know? Just curious. Tia.

https://rh-architecture.com/about

RH was arrested on a Thursday and by Friday the "Meet the Team" page on the website was taken down. The rest of the website stayed up for awhile, IIRC, because I went to the website later and it was still up, without the "Meet the Team" section.

This article has info about the web page for RH's company.

What we know about Rex Heuermann, suspect in Gilgo Beach murders that shook Long Island more than a decade ago

Rex Heuermann is an architect who founded the New York City firm RH Consultants and Associates in 1994, according to the company's website.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[margarita25]

Great post!

Thanks Warwick!

Continuing from above, I just remembered something from the show “Evil Lives Here”, and I think this could possibly be very important:

I recall an episode where the wife/family member was given gifts, specifically jewelry, and one time even a hand held tape recorder.

These were items that belonged to victims.

IMO the investigators should be asking the wife and family what gifts they have been given. There’s a chance imo they could have come from a victim.

I recall another episode of “Evil Lives Here” (GREAT show btw, you can watch it on Discovery+ which is only 6.99 a month and has a ton of crime shows) where the wife found underwear in her husband’s vehicle...sure that could mean just cheating, but you get my drift. She could hold an arsenal of potentially significant information.

Maybe at some point after she has had some time to process and get away from the media frenzy she might decide to talk to investigators about things she has deemed to be suspicious in hindsight.

 

[Sundog]

I’m not on LinkedIn so unable to view this, can someone please copy over the info within TOS, thank you.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/rex-heuermann-465701ab

Not much there, I had difficulties with trying to copy and paste it.

Just says name of his company and address in NY City, NY.

Still shows some "friends" or whatever they are called on LinkedIn.

Mainly the page says:

"Rex has not posted lately."

 

[x_files]

Accused Long Island Serial Killer’s Family Living in ‘Surreal’ Horror Show, Lawyer Says

Lawyers for the family of accused Long Island serial killer Rex Heuermann say his adult children are in a “surreal, waking horror show,” according to Fox News Digital. Heuermann’s two adult children, 26-year-old Victoria Heuermann, and Christopher Sheridan, 33, are reportedly trying to put their...

www.crimeonline.com

August 7, 2023

They look really happy in that photo. I'm sad to see their life ripped apart.

 

[kittythehare]

I’m not on LinkedIn so unable to view this, can someone please copy over the info within TOS, thank you.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/rex-heuermann-465701ab

Rex Heuermann​

owner​

New York, New York, United States
13 followers​

Experience​

• 
  
  

  owner​

  RH Consultants & Associates Inc.​

 

[investigatefred]

Just started a thread for this murdered girl, wondering if RH has ever been known to sport a beard, real or otherwise?
speculation, imo, fwiw..

NY - NY- Quin-Rong Wu, 11, went missing near her school, sex. assaulted & strangled, body found in the East River, N. of Manhattan Bridge, 13 May 1997

https://lizjin.medium.com/who-killed-11-year-old-quin-rong-wu-22d400ad7b3 ''It was the American Dream gone horribly wrong. A Chinese couple immigrated to Manhattan in 1996 to make a better life for themselves and their children. A year later, they would bury their youngest daughter after her...

www.websleuths.com

I read about her last night looking at old cases. So many young women and children were strangled, raped, murdered and/or missing around there in the 90's. I came across multiple 11 & 12 year olds. It was eye-opening, sad and disturbing. With the known search history we have from Rex's Google, it certainly makes one wonder!

 

[Ruminations]

I too was going to comment on that I thought it was odd she had not been interviewed.

I was thinking she might be able to “remember” something, like maybe a time period when he came home with scratches per say, or blood, etc, etc., etc.

The show on ID “Evil Lives Here” comes to mind, when they have the partners recount their experiences and life living with a SK, and the theme of the show “But there had been signs...”.

I wasn’t going to bring it up because I didn’t want it to be misconstrued that maybe she should have noticed things, because sometimes these killers are good at hiding things, etc. And in no way must this lady be blamed for anything.

But from the standpoint of hindsight being 20/20, I would think she might be able to provide useful information to investigators. It seems at this point she was out of town on the charged crimes, but that does not mean she might have always been out of town.

Again, this is not to point blame towards her in any way because she is also an innocent victim. But again, maybe she even knows something she doesn’t think she might know.

As mentioned she can’t be compelled to testify against her husband, but perhaps she can point them in a direction, like hypothetically, “One time he took a work trip to so-and-so”, or whatever it might be.

1) we don't really know what went down. Maybe the lawyer thinks it is in AE best interest not to talk, but to appear fully cooperative. The lawyer could be giving legal advice to wait before talking, and could be managing public perception by making it appear she would gladly talk. The reason for the advice to be quiet for now (and her wearing her wedding bands) could be related to divorce strategy.

2) it is hardly unusual for people to train themselves not to see what is right in front of their faces: a loved one's addiction, or a spouses affair, for examples. They are not stupid, they are only letting the information they are ready to deal with in. I would not be surprised at all if AE trained herself to ignore what would be signs of an affair, or something like that. I could see her thinking, "I guess I should have known about the sex workers and massages, but I never could have seen killing them coming!"

MOO

 

[fred&edna]

DBM... meant to post on a different thread

 

[margarita25]

IMO, Rex didn't kill Shannan, however I do feel someone within the confines of Oak Beach did. It is a gated community, so unless Rex was an invited guest of someone living there, he couldn't have gotten past the gate to drive in to stalk her.

I tend to agree, but I back go and forth and change my opinion about every couple hours lol. . My theory at this particular hour is two people that live in the neighborhood are related to her death. I was listening to her 911 call again, and again turned away from MP, considering things he was saying, but he could have been acting a certain way on the phone bc she was talking to police, and also knowing 911 calls are recorded.

One thought I did have is maaaaaaybe RH was in the area visiting the bodies, or something else like removing evidence, etc., etc., and came across her.

Actually, anything interesting RH timeline wise around Shannan’s visit to Oak Beach? I forgot to look duh. I know a lot has been talked about in these threads, unfortunately I can’t read everything due to real life constrictions.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Court filings show new details on how defense team plans to fight charges in Gilgo case

The defense team argues that prosecutors have not shown probable cause that Rex Heuermann committed the murders of three women, according to the documents.

longisland.news12.com

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“In paragraph 32 of the People’s Affirmation in Support the People acknowledge that presently they can state nothing more than Rex A. Heuermann is purported to have used or touched those items,” stated Coysh. “Thus, by the People’s own admission, the nexus between the partially eaten pizza crust and used napkin and the defendant Rex A. Heuermann is at best a matter of conjecture and assumption, not fact.”

The defense team also attacked the argument that Heuermann matches a witness description of the suspected killer. A witness described a man around 6 feet 4 inches, largely built with dark bushy hair and glasses, as believed to be the last person to see Gilgo Beach victim Amber Costello alive.

Coysh wrote that there is no claim Heuermann was ever identified in-person or through photos as that person.

 

[margarita25]

I read about her last night looking at old cases. So many young women and children were strangled, raped, murdered and/or missing around there in the 90's. I came across multiple 11 & 12 year olds. It was eye-opening, sad and disturbing. With the known search history we have from Rex's Google, it certainly makes one wonder!

This is where it gets really tricky, imo, as far as MO.

IMO RH targeted the G4 victims because they were easy, vulnerable targets, and perhaps he thought they were less likely to be reported missing, cared about, etc. We have troves of reference on SKs that target sex workers.

We also have troves of examples on child killers who abduct, say while walking to school, or at a playground, etc.

So, how do these two MOs mix?

If it were not for his known Google searches and CSAM, it might prove difficult to know whether or not he harmed kids.

BUT WE KNOW HE IS A KILLER AND HAD INTEREST IN CHILDREN, so imo there is a low probability he did not act out these fantasies.

The question is how and when, and of course who.

I’ve got some notes going I’ll post later, but I did notice his client list included the Catholic charities that work with children. This has likely been mentioned so sorry for rehash, but perhaps that is an avenue.

The sex workers originally went with him willingly, presumably, but kids, is he the type to “abduct” from the street? Come see this puppy? Maybe, but maybe not. Maybe it falls more along the MO of them going with him willingly, and targeting ones in vulnerable situations, like his MO with the sex workers. And more specifically children he has direct access to.

Another thing I noticed in his client list is he worked on individual apartments. I’m sure investigators are looking at whether any crimes occurred at these clients’ locations. Did he come back to any properties he worked on?

There’s also the sewer client. Maybe this is related to a disposal method. I don’t think he stopped killing after the G4, so what other dumping grounds does he have. There has to be more out there, jmo. It will be interesting to see how the park search pans out.

Then of course the access to vacant/abandoned buildings, properties under construction...my guess is this is where he might have taken and killed his victims. Maybe there are some in the walls, concrete, etc.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Here is why I don't believe that the dismembered bodies are the work of Heuermann.

1. If you get your rocks off by dismembering bodies, you pull a Black Dahlia. There is absolutely no need to take a body apart and scatter it in several different places...other than to try to hamper LE from identifying the victim.

2. Heuermann didn't know these women. There was nothing to connect him to them other than their clandestine business meetings. No real names are used, no real phones are used, no addresses are shared on the customer's end. John's are ghosts, even if they are regulars (which I believe Heuermann was ).

3. Jessica Taylor's tattoo was cut up in an effort to make it unrecognizable. Tattoo's are often used by pimps as a branding technique. Remi is a real person. Heuermann wouldn't go to the bother of trying to remove a tattoo with another man's name on it, imo.

4. Peaches. Ever wonder why her child was located to far away from Peaches mutilated body ? For the exact same reason you cut off a head, or hands, or feet and scatter them to the four corners. All these things can lead to the identity of the victim.

5. Heuermann lived in a home with 3 other family members. He had neighbors close by. Dismemberment is a messy business...I don't care how long your wife is on vacation, you don't create that kind of mess in a home where anyone might see something you missed. Hotel ? Highly unlikey ? Vehicle ? Definitely not.

Could I be wrong ? Sure. But I am also reminded of the dead dogs and dead chickens found nearby in Manorville. What do gang members make money on ? Dog fighting, rooster fighting, prostitutes and drugs.

MOO, of course.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Yeah, no it's ok for prosecution to do this. The defense is just going through the motions, hoping to establish some pretense for later appeal, JMO/IANAL.

Yes, surely both sides are aware of the magnitude of this case. It will be studied and debated for years with every action examined under a microscope. Naturally, they want to do exemplary jobs.

 

[margarita25]

Here is why I don't believe that the dismembered bodies are the work of Heuermann.

1. If you get your rocks off by dismembering bodies, you pull a Black Dahlia. There is absolutely no need to take a body apart and scatter it in several different places...other than to try to hamper LE from identifying the victim.

2. Heuermann didn't know these women. There was nothing to connect him to them other than their clandestine business meetings. No real names are used, no real phones are used, no addresses are shared on the customer's end. John's are ghosts, even if they are regulars (which I believe Heuermann was ).

3. Jessica Taylor's tattoo was cut up in an effort to make it unrecognizable. Tattoo's are often used by pimps as a branding technique. Remi is a real person. Heuermann wouldn't go to the bother of trying to remove a tattoo with another man's name on it, imo.

4. Peaches. Ever wonder why her child was located to far away from Peaches mutilated body ? For the exact same reason you cut off a head, or hands, or feet and scatter them to the four corners. All these things can lead to the identity of the victim.

5. Heuermann lived in a home with 3 other family members. He had neighbors close by. Dismemberment is a messy business...I don't care how long your wife is on vacation, you don't create that kind of mess in a home where anyone might see something you missed. Hotel ? Highly unlikey ? Vehicle ? Definitely not.

Could I be wrong ? Sure. But I am also reminded of the dead dogs and dead chickens found nearby in Manorville. What do gang members make money on ? Dog fighting, rooster fighting, prostitutes and drugs.

MOO, of course.

Hey MK!

I just wanted to say I was watching The Killing Season again and was stoked when I kept seeing your name on the WS footage which I kept hitting pause on to see the posts.

Which reminds me, on Ep 1 of TKS... there was some discussion in here a while back about Amber’s roommate and the vehicle description. Just noting he said he wished he had gotten a better look, gone an extra “ten feet” iirc, and seen the “license plate”. I was a little confused because I recalled him saying he wished he had gotten a better look, so was wondering exactly how that went along with the vehicle description he had given. There was also a post upstream mentioning that there were two nights in question.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Agree. It’s almost impossible to argue against DNA results except to claim failure to comply with proper procedures. Silly thought I know but hope we don’t discover sometime in the future DNA is not reliable as the woman who claimed development of a single blood test for medical diagnosis in illnesses- she’s now behind bars for her fraud.

DNA is in its infancy. Who knows how everything will shake out. People now like to say "DNA doesn't lie." My thought on this is that DNA doesn't lie. However, DNA can be misinterpreted. We need to be careful with what the evidence is really saying.

 

[margarita25]

IMO, Rex didn't kill Shannan, however I do feel someone within the confines of Oak Beach did. It is a gated community, so unless Rex was an invited guest of someone living there, he couldn't have gotten past the gate to drive in to stalk her.

For discussion purposes, he could have gone along the water right? Not saying I think this is the case, just sayin...the whole duck hunting thing, duck hunting camouflage burlap, AND didn’t he ask/tell one of this escorts (or coworker) while talking about LISK, that going along the water would be a likely method of the killer?

Which reminds me, also on The Killing Season, (which have Josh and Rachel been in here yet? Would love to hear from them, note to find their handles and tag in here if not), they show them looking at a forum showing something about duck hunting. I was curious about this, note to go back and watch again. Interesting that was in there, and the burlap turned out to be duck hunting burlap. That poor nursery owner, he really got hammered over the burlap.