Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

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Amber's eyes are light, perhaps green? I will keep looking.

MOO

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(Photo from this article: Inside the Gilgo Beach murders investigation: The years-long search to catch a Long Island serial killer )

In a few photos they look BLUE others almost dark brown. Maybe hazel/greenish?

 

[Sundog]

I loved that the presser was strictly about Karen.

And I noticed that all of the task force members were dressed in their best formal attire. They always dress professionally, but I think they took extra care today, in respect of Karen and her family members.

 

[adbou00]

So thankful Karen Vergata got her name back today!!! Does anyone know what her middle name is? I've been doing some research on her and sadly her dad passed away this past Dec

 

[sceawian]

Karen fits to me. My new theory is that RH learned in the late 90's that water disposal doesn't work. Parts float to shore. Then he switched to all ground. Then not dismembered.

MOO

I need to refresh myself on the timeline so this could be way off... do you think he realised that no one was finding the parts he left on Gilgo Beach (when the torsos etc were found quickly), and decided to switch to dumping whole bodies there eventually?

I'm wondering if he oscillated between wanting to shock people with finding the remains, vs. realising he could have the thrill of an undiscovered "trophy case" at Gilgo.

 

[iamshadow21]

She looks like she could be Irish-Italian. They both look Italian to me just from the photo. hazel eyes right?

Okay, scratch what I said about Costello, I had completely forgotten that it was a married name. How could I have forgotten Amber was married at one point? Her maiden name is Overstreet, like her sister, which is English/Flemish in origin.

MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

In a few photos they look BLUE others almost dark brown. Maybe hazel/greenish?

My partner has eyes that are incredibly similar. Depending on lighting, mood, etc. her eyes can look blue, green, hazel... They're a mix of all three, really.

MOO

 

[adbou00]

I need to refresh myself on the timeline so this could be way off... do you think he realised that no one was finding the parts he left on Gilgo Beach (when the torsos etc were found quickly), and decided to switch to dumping whole bodies there eventually?

I'm wondering if he oscillated between wanting to shock people with finding the remains, vs. realising he could have the thrill of an undiscovered "trophy case" at Gilgo.

My theory is he dumped the bodies to throw off jurisdictions some parts found in Nassau county some found in Suffolk county and I also think he did this to also make it harder to ID the victims. Karen's torso has never been found. To my knowledge only her skull and legs were found.

 

[arielilane]

RECAP: -Fire Island Jane Doe has been linked to the #GilgoBeach investigation -She has been identified as Karen Vergata who was 34 at the time of her disappearance -Missing approx. Feb 14th 1996 & lived in Manhattan and worked as an escort -DNA profile was developed from remains -Family has been notified of the information -No charges at this time

We have noticed that the police photo that was shown at the press conference of the victim has the correct spelling as KAREN VERGATA. I apologize about inconsistent spelling as we are all learning about this news and her name for the first time right now.

https://twitter.com/alcaprari23

 

[x_files]

My partner has eyes that are incredibly similar. Depending on lighting, mood, etc. her eyes can look blue, green, hazel... They're a mix of all three, really.

MOO

Does he call his eyes hazel?
I do think all the women are petite, and kinda an Italian-Irish look to them but it is NY State so it's common but he does have a type.

 

[acutename]

seems NY collects DNA on felony conviction not arrest but this is a secondary source

https://apps.rainn.org/policy/lawfully-owed-dna-export.cfm?state=New%20York&group=10

would like to find the NY law text

 

[acutename]

It was even worse than paraphrased. I want to touch base, and if you do, too, call. Very thinly veiled as a colleague call.

MOO

I really think that if we did not know what we know now, this might have just seemed like "networking." Some people, esp. those with their own businesses are really good about keeping contacts for future clients, referrals, hiring temps, etc. Now the public and anyone who knew RH is looking back and freaking out IMO.

Would like to know how the "ordinary"(still alive) SWs and the victim SWs were sorted out. Opportunity? Or something else? Also, no evidence that he did anything to coworkers, friends, etc.,... right?

 

[fred&edna]

seems NY collects DNA on felony conviction not arrest but this is a secondary source

https://apps.rainn.org/policy/lawfully-owed-dna-export.cfm?state=New%20York&group=10

would like to find the NY law text

I posted it previously (another thread)


Also, there's this info regarding DNA/CODIS

 

[iamshadow21]

Does he call his eyes hazel?
I do think all the women are petite, and kinda an Italian-Irish look to them but it is NY State so it's common but he does have a type.

SHE says 'if I have to click on a form, I say hazel, but when people ask me, I say, "it depends!"'

As someone who's been with her as friend and then partner since we were seventeen, it really does depend. Lighting, mood, what colour shirt she's wearing. All of it affects the perception of what colour they seem.

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But yeah, to bring this back around, Amber's eyes could possibly broadly be called hazel, but from the available photos, they sometimes look blue, green, or hazel, like my partner's, so it's possible they were just as hard to pin down.

MOO

 

[windrower]

There IS a Springfield in every state! The only town name that IS in every state.

Even in "Simpsons" land.
I think RH's Springfield, is the gun.

I, too, think maybe RH’s Springfield relates to a firearm.

Off topic: Wyoming, my home state, does not have a town named Springfield.

And one website states that only 30-some states do have a Springfield.

 

[fred&edna]

This is what I posted previously regarding NY DNA laws:

NYS DNA Databank and Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) - NY DCJS

Research the Databank law and qualifying Offenses. DNA Databank Statistics updated frequently. Learn how the DNA Databank came to be and how it is organized.

www.criminaljustice.ny.gov

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I, too, think maybe RH’s Springfield relates to a firearm.

Off topic: Wyoming, my home state, does not have a town named Springfield.

And one website states that only 30-some states do have a Springfield.

Someone posted about this serial killer from Springfield MA, and was called "springfield 9".
I favor this now, rather than the gun.

Springfield serial killer Alfred Gaynor admits killing total of 9 women

Gaynor's nephew, Paul Fickling, pleaded guilty to reduced charges of manslaughter for the deaths of Amy Smith and her daughter.

www.masslive.com

I've always stated that there is a Springfield in every state, so I stand corrected!
My article indicates 34:

Does Every U.S. State Really Have a Springfield?

In this week's Maphead column, Ken Jennings looks into the Springfield of The Simpsons lore, and where it ranks among the most common place names in the United States.

www.cntraveler.com

 

[Simply Southern]

seems NY collects DNA on felony conviction not arrest but this is a secondary source

https://apps.rainn.org/policy/lawfully-owed-dna-export.cfm?state=New%20York&group=10

would like to find the NY law text

DNA | NY CourtHelp

Since 2012, any defendant convicted of a misdemeanor or felony must give a DNA sample to be added to the New York State DNA Databank. The defendant will also be required to pay a fee. The court requires the defendant to pay the Databank fee even if the defendant does not need to provide a new DNA sample. See Surcharges and Fees. The police use this database to look for matches to DNA collected from crimes. The DNA Databank is not open to the public.

 

[LaineyJ]

Is the term LISK meant to directly identify RH (basically anyone who was the perp in the GB4), or does LISK encompass the entirety of the murders on LI, including peaches, cherries, Karen, etc?

I ask because I know there’s debate about whether RH is responsible for just the gb4, a few more, or all of them. Othram wrote that Karen was the earliest known victim of LISK, so I am a little confused.

Or are we all unsure because we don’t know enough about RH and his possible crimes.

 

[iamshadow21]

Is the term LISK meant to directly identify RH (basically anyone who was the perp in the GB4), or does LISK encompass the entirety of the murders on LI, including peaches, cherries, Karen, etc?

I ask because I know there’s debate about whether RH is responsible for just the gb4, a few more, or all of them. Othram wrote that Karen was the earliest known victim of LISK, so I am a little confused.

Or are we all unsure because we don’t know enough about RH and his possible crimes.

I think at this point, LISK is used like the Redhead Murders... Whether it's one offender or several, it's grouping a series of crimes together by location, date, victim appearance and lifestyle, the signatures of the crime and disposal of victims, and so on in a way to try to make sense of it.

RH is definitely A LISK... but the ONLY LISK? We don't know yet.

MOO

 

[LaineyJ]

I think at this point, LISK is used like the Redhead Murders... Whether it's one offender or several, it's grouping a series of crimes together by location, date, victim appearance and lifestyle, the crime and disposal of victims, and so on in a way to try to make sense of it.

RH is definitely A LISK... but the ONLY LISK? We don't know yet.

MOO

Thanks. This is definitely confusing at times - and odd knowing so many murders and possibly multiple offenders in that relatively small area.