Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Simply Southern]

seems NY collects DNA on felony conviction not arrest but this is a secondary source

https://apps.rainn.org/policy/lawfully-owed-dna-export.cfm?state=New%20York&group=10

would like to find the NY law text

DNA | NY CourtHelp

Since 2012, any defendant convicted of a misdemeanor or felony must give a DNA sample to be added to the New York State DNA Databank. The defendant will also be required to pay a fee. The court requires the defendant to pay the Databank fee even if the defendant does not need to provide a new DNA sample. See Surcharges and Fees. The police use this database to look for matches to DNA collected from crimes. The DNA Databank is not open to the public.

 

[LaineyJ]

Is the term LISK meant to directly identify RH (basically anyone who was the perp in the GB4), or does LISK encompass the entirety of the murders on LI, including peaches, cherries, Karen, etc?

I ask because I know there’s debate about whether RH is responsible for just the gb4, a few more, or all of them. Othram wrote that Karen was the earliest known victim of LISK, so I am a little confused.

Or are we all unsure because we don’t know enough about RH and his possible crimes.

 

[iamshadow21]

Is the term LISK meant to directly identify RH (basically anyone who was the perp in the GB4), or does LISK encompass the entirety of the murders on LI, including peaches, cherries, Karen, etc?

I ask because I know there’s debate about whether RH is responsible for just the gb4, a few more, or all of them. Othram wrote that Karen was the earliest known victim of LISK, so I am a little confused.

Or are we all unsure because we don’t know enough about RH and his possible crimes.

I think at this point, LISK is used like the Redhead Murders... Whether it's one offender or several, it's grouping a series of crimes together by location, date, victim appearance and lifestyle, the signatures of the crime and disposal of victims, and so on in a way to try to make sense of it.

RH is definitely A LISK... but the ONLY LISK? We don't know yet.

MOO

 

[LaineyJ]

I think at this point, LISK is used like the Redhead Murders... Whether it's one offender or several, it's grouping a series of crimes together by location, date, victim appearance and lifestyle, the crime and disposal of victims, and so on in a way to try to make sense of it.

RH is definitely A LISK... but the ONLY LISK? We don't know yet.

MOO

Thanks. This is definitely confusing at times - and odd knowing so many murders and possibly multiple offenders in that relatively small area.

 

[Ursamajr]

It's interesting that SCPD and NYSP haven't addressed if Karen Vergata is a victim of Heuermanns yet Othrams posts here about the identification give the impression that she is indeed.

So happy Karen got her name back. We both attended the same school a few years apart (the whole LISK case always felt so personal to me, this detail today making it feel even more so).

 

[DS2021]

Is the term LISK meant to directly identify RH (basically anyone who was the perp in the GB4), or does LISK encompass the entirety of the murders on LI, including peaches, cherries, Karen, etc?

I ask because I know there’s debate about whether RH is responsible for just the gb4, a few more, or all of them. Othram wrote that Karen was the earliest known victim of LISK, so I am a little confused.

Or are we all unsure because we don’t know enough about RH and his possible crimes.

I personally use LISK to encompass all of the victims, and use "Gilgo beach 4" to refer to the 4 murders Rex is either charged in or is a suspect in

 

[helpfulcharlie]

I personally use LISK to encompass all of the victims, and use "Gilgo beach 4" to refer to the 4 murders Rex is either charged in or is a suspect in

The cool thing about LISK is that it's the same whether it's singular or plural. Long Island Serial Killer(s)

 

[Jurisprudence]

ITA.

I always take"Never reported missing," to mean, "No agency would accept a missing person report."

It's really sad.

MOO

Very good point. SG is a good example of this. Mari had to basically scream, carry on, run back-and-forth between 3 different precincts and get in their faces each time just to get a MP report filed.

Nicole Schmidt faced the same issue with Gabby. She was thanking one particular LE Detective profusely on camera (don't remember who) just for taking the time to speak with her and actually act because no one else was.

jmo

 

[margarita25]

There are also serial killers associated with various Springfields:
the top one could be Springfieldman9 as he killed 9 women the others I've found - 3.

Springfield serial killer Alfred Gaynor admits killing total ... - MassLive​

6,240 shares By Buffy Spencer | [email protected] The Republican file photo Alfred Gaynor, shown in a Worcester court appearance, has admitted to killing a total of nine Springfield women from...

Gary Schaefer - Wikipedia Gary Lee Schaefer (born 1951) is an American murderer, kidnapper, rapist and suspected serial killer thought to be responsible for the murders of three girls in Springfield, Vermont between 1979 and 1983.

Who is Springfield 'serial killer' Stewart Weldon, who ... - The Sun​

Who is Springfield 'serial killer' Stewart Weldon? Weldon, 40, was born in Jamaica Queens, New York, and has a long criminal history in New Jersey and Massachusetts, reports CNN. His previous...

Wow

"....this case is by no means open and shut. There will be more prosecutions to follow, and more questions to answer. One of the big ones: Are there more victims? Among the list of other potential LISK victims are Tina Foglia, whose dismembered remains were found in Gilgo Beach in 1986; Judith Ramona Veloz, who went missing from New York City in 1993; and Natasha Jugo, whose car was found abandoned in Gilgo Beach in 2013."

The Long Island serial killer case may finally be solved — but many questions remain
A surprise arrest after a 13-year investigation shocked the true crime community — and relieved New Yorkers.

By Aja Romano on July 14, 2023 6:10 pm

Tina Foglia’s thread:

NY - NY - Tina Foglia, 19, West Islip, 1 Feb 1982

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/crime/police-ask-for-help-in-cold-case-murder-of-brentwood-woman-1.13750287 Police ask for help in cold-case murder of Brentwood woman Updated June 20, 2017...

www.websleuths.com

Judith Veloz’ thread:

NY - NY - Judith Ramona Veloz, 19, Manhattan, March 3, 1993

NAMUS: https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/96589 --- Missing Age - 19 Years Current Age - 49 Years First Name - Judith Middle Name - Ramona Last Name - Veloz Nickname/Alias - Aries Jones Sex - Female Height - 5' 4" (64 Inches) Weight - 110 lbs Race / Ethnicity - Hispanic / Latino Date...

www.websleuths.com

Natasha’s thread:

Possible Victim: Natasha Jugo, 31, Queens, Body Washed Ashore and belongings found on Gilgo Beach Mar 2013 *car fnd Ocean Pkwy*

"Authorities were searching Sunday for a missing person at Gilgo Beach. Suffolk County police said they received a call at 11:20 a.m. reporting that the person was from New York City and had been seen on Ocean Walk, a residential street in Gilgo Beach. A Nassau police spokeswoman said the...

www.websleuths.com

 

[citizen_sleuth]

Exclusive | Sons of newly-ID’d Gilgo victim Karen Vergata not notified about death until after presser

“He just thought [Vergata] was missing,” Eric Doherty’s girlfriend, Michelle Nolan, told The Post.

nypost.com

<snipped & BBM>
The sons of Karen Vergata, who was identified as a Gilgo Beach killings victim found dead on Fire Island more than two decades ago, were not notified about her gruesome death before the official press conference announcing the discovery Friday.

Eric Doherty, 32, was distraught when reached by phone Friday afternoon after authorities confirmed his mother, Vergata, was the previously-unidentified woman whose remains were found on separate occasions in 1996 and 2011.

[...]

“We just…we didn’t have any information,” Nolan said. “Their [adoptive mother] just called to let them know.”

[...]

Gary, 34, now lives in a care home for adults with special needs, and is not yet aware of his mother’s death, she said.

 

[SonsOfCain]

Does make me wonder what the hold up is with MBB. They seemed so confident he was linked to MBB that I was expecting news in a matter of days.

jmo

Wasn’t Melissa the first of the G4 girls that they determined had been murdered first? If so, they could be withholding more details if there was something different about the method of killing that was not present with the other three (this is just my thinking). If this is the case, then LE may be withholding that information from the public in order to make sure everything is even more airtight.

 

[Glimma0927]

Is the term LISK meant to directly identify RH (basically anyone who was the perp in the GB4), or does LISK encompass the entirety of the murders on LI, including peaches, cherries, Karen, etc?

I ask because I know there’s debate about whether RH is responsible for just the gb4, a few more, or all of them. Othram wrote that Karen was the earliest known victim of LISK, so I am a little confused.

Or are we all unsure because we don’t know enough about RH and his possible crimes.

It IS getting confusing. Until we know whether were dealing with one killer or more than one, I think it ought to be pluralized (LISKs). But that's just mo...it's wishful thinking to hope that this is just one person doing all this. Long Island has already proven to harbor more than one serial killer.

 

[iamshadow21]

Wasn’t Melissa the first of the G4 girls that they determined had been murdered first? If so, they could be withholding more details if there was something different about the method of killing that was not present with the other three (this is just my thinking). If this is the case, then LE may be withholding that information from the public in order to make sure everything is even more airtight.

Maureen was killed two years earlier than Melissa.

 

[SonsOfCain]

ITA, I think the killer (accused killer, RH) was tweaking his disposal methods in order to or as a means of preventing the remains from ever being found or linked to him.

Agreed. Maybe he was almost caught dumping a body, lucked out, and then decided “time to find a new spot”.

 

[SonsOfCain]

Maureen was killed two years earlier than Melissa.

Aha! Thank you. I couldn’t remember if it was her or Maureen.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Has it been reported or made known (yes I might have missed it) - whether or not the separate sets of remains attributed to Jane Doe #7 / Karen Vergata were believed to have been deposited in those locations about the same time period? Or was there a known time lapse when they are believed to have been placed in those locations.

As I write this I realize to post this in the other thread for this. MOO

 

[margarita25]

Thank you from the bottom of our hearts to our very own special member. @othram

https://twitter.com/x/status/1687496910720880640

Dang @othram , You rock!!! Wow!!!

 

[margarita25]

Google Search

At the right age

Our late great @Foxfire said they can start killing as young as 14-15.

I’ve seen some pretty young budding SKs here over the years.

 

[othram]

Dang @othram , You rock!!! Wow!!!

Appreciate the support!

 

[x_files]

SHE says 'if I have to click on a form, I say hazel, but when people ask me, I say, "it depends!"'

As someone who's been with her as friend and then partner since we were seventeen, it really does depend. Lighting, mood, what colour shirt she's wearing. All of it affects the perception of what colour they seem.

Funny thing. Her brother, who is a whole foot taller than her and a completely different body type, has exactly the same chameleon eyes, and I can think of ONCE when they looked exactly the same colour at the same time. Christmas Day, 2000. And I remember because I remarked on it at the time, because it felt like a once in a lifetime thing, like a planetary alignment.

But yeah, to bring this back around, Amber's eyes could possibly broadly be called hazel, but from the available photos, they sometimes look blue, green, or hazel, like my partner's, so it's possible they were just as hard to pin down.

MOO

oh sorry, I wrote HE not SHE!
yes, Hazel makes sense.