Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Podstan]

Respectfully, does it matter? Either way, this was his opportunity to tell the truth, yet tells terrible inconsistencies.

And he almost certainly perjured himself when he said he was not paid to drive these escorts?

 

[arielilane]

City Scapes - this is what I was explaining on Nancy Grace today! Placed along or near a roadway, spaced apart but lined up next to each other like buildings.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1688634115262713857

https://twitter.com/149Zone7

 

[iamshadow21]

City Scapes - this is what I was explaining on Nancy Grace today! Placed along or near a roadway, spaced apart but lined up next to each other like buildings.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1688634115262713857

https://twitter.com/149Zone7

On such a narrow strip of land along the edge of a roadway, how else would he place them? There's literally nowhere else that isn't beach or marsh.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

Two questions: is Harvard Lawyer Lee an approved source?

And, even if the answer is "no," has the point she brought up been discussed, specifically that the SC search warrant specifically states that LE wishes to search for evidence related to murder 1, murder 2, some patronizing a prostitute charge, and - conspiracy- to commit the above crimes.

She pointed out that conspiracy means another person is involved.

She satisfied herself that the document was likely genuine. She thought it possible but unlikely it was there by accident. She also considered that LE could have put it in just in case there is another working with him that they discover in the future.

She noticed that "crimes" was plural, so it didn't simply mean that another person was involved in the patronizing a prostitute and no other crime.

It is intriguing.

MOO

 

[Friday13]

Wonder if that spot needs to be pointed out to LE? He may just have enjoyed watching you scramble or he may have just been stating fact.

My gut told me he was innocently making a joke…..it is an area many people have joked around about as being the perfect place to dump a body being it’s so secluded, desolate and heavily wooded, but it scared the you-know-what out of me! He probably didn’t even think how it could be perceived.

 

[Ursamajr]

His expertise was in expediting projects through arcane city building codes rather than in architectural design. Ginia Bellafante, writing for The New York Times, examined how Heuermann exerted influence in the tonier townhouses of Brooklyn, where architects of more visible prestige would need his help shepherding through their wealthy clients’ renovations. “As a journeyman who held bureaucratic authority, he could veto the plans of architects with degrees from Yale and projects in Nantucket.” Mary Shell, an employee of his around the time of the murders, wrote in New York that “his office was mostly staffed by women like myself, young and petite, the girl-next-door type” and that “whether or not he had any real political clout, he believed he did and tried to convince others that he did, too.”

Niv Miyasato, a designer who worked with Heuermann starting in the ’90s and shared office space with him in the early 2000s, described to me a similar picture of his workaday life. “He did what he needed to do,” Miyasoto said, referring to Heuermann’s work as a building code compliance consultant. “He certainly communicated with all of us on a regular basis that he was an expert at that.” He found Heuermann a bit awkward but didn’t think much of it at the time. More striking, Miyasoto said, was that Heuermann seemed to him like a doomsday prepper: “He talked about his hunting, and would maybe occasionally drop things like, Well, you never know what’s going to happen. ‘You gotta be prepared’ kind of stuff.”

We’re Only Just Starting to Unpack Rex Heuermann’s New York

In the weeks since the Gilgo Beach murder suspect was arrested, his alleged double life has cast new light on an otherwise mundane professional life in the city and its suburbs.

www.vanityfair.com

BBM... I knew it! I previously thought the land down in SC needed a look through and now I REALLY hope it gets one.

 

[kittythehare]

BBM... I knew it! I previously thought the land down in SC needed a look through and now I REALLY hope it gets one.

and it was you that first mentioned the prepping, I never caught it.. well spotted!

 

[Barbie619]

Is the term LISK meant to directly identify RH (basically anyone who was the perp in the GB4), or does LISK encompass the entirety of the murders on LI, including peaches, cherries, Karen, etc?

I ask because I know there’s debate about whether RH is responsible for just the gb4, a few more, or all of them. Othram wrote that Karen was the earliest known victim of LISK, so I am a little confused.

Or are we all unsure because we don’t know enough about RH and his possible crimes.

My son and I had a conversation about this when RH was arrested. It's not funny but it was funny that if there are multiple killers attributed to Gilgo, how dangerous that must be for all to never bump into each other? It must have made some people very nervous back in 2010 when all the bodies were initially recovered from the beach.

 

[Teche]

Wikipedia, then go from there? There was a documentary made about her some years ago, Crazy Not Insane. She's basically been a witness for hire for over forty years. She doesn't believe in the death penalty or in sociopathy. She is the person you get on the stand if you are a defense attorney and you have a brutal offender or serial killer who you want to portray as a sad abused child who wasn't responsible for their actions. It very rarely works, and in certain cases, especially in Gannon's trial, her performance on the stand probably just made the trial outcome more certain rather than providing a mitigating factor in the eyes of the jury. She is in her late eighties now, and I would hope that her appearance in Gannon's trial would be her last. I would hope that by the time RH comes to trial, there is absolutely no possibility for her to speak for him even if they want her to.

In terms of her validity, her views have always been fringe, she hasn't published anything peer reviewed since the eighties, and even then, the methods she used to support her assertions were questioned. In Gannon's trial, the contrast between the state psych witnesses and Lewis was stark. The state witnesses laid out the testing that was done, the specific ways they handle a patient who has reason to be deceptive with them and how they safeguard against that. Lewis, it was completely the opposite. They had video excerpts of her interviews with the defendant, LS, that they played for the jury... the video spoke for itself.

MOO

It’s eye-opening to watch her on the expert opinion for Leticia Stauch’s trial. DL was horrid. Her interaction with the judge was unbelievably unprofessional. After seeing her testimony, I bet lawyers are reviewing cases where she provided testimony.

 

[kittythehare]

The latest victim to be named was identified last November.
This required a press conference this week.
Call me cynical but I'm starting to get really edgy.

 

[LadyL]

This MSM article says that AE and her two adult children were forced to spend multiple nights in a rental car while LE were searching their home and property, while they "bounced" between relatives' homes and the rental car.

Prosecutors in Gilgo Beach killings are giving Rex Heuermann's defense a vast trove of evidence

Weeks after charging Long Island architect Rex Heuermann in a string of killings known as the Gilgo Beach murders, prosecutors say they’ve begun providing his lawyer with reams of evidence

abcnews.go.com

Ellerup filed for divorce after her husband was arrested.

She and her two adult children, who also live at the house, returned last week after bouncing between relatives’ homes and a rental car, where they were forced to spend multiple nights, according to the lawyer.

“These people are also innocent victims in this,” Macedonio added. “They’re the unknown victims because no one cares about them.”

An attorney for the adult children, Vess Mitev, said his clients were considering legal action against police for the “deplorable and roughshod handling of the investigation.”

Thank you! I'm surprised more articles haven't mentioned it.

 

[kittythehare]

Retired Detective Pat Portela

New York police refusing to release 911 tapes in serial killer case

The call was made by escort Shannan Gilbert, whose disappearance led to the discovery of 10 bodies near Long Island's Gilgo Beach.

www.nbcnews.com

2022

https://twitter.com/x/status/1504562800521355274

Sini said in a statement that he sought to remove the lead detective, Patrick Portela, because “it became increasingly clear that [he] was not willing to effectively collaborate,” including by refusing to share information with the FBI. Sini said that he was met with “fierce resistance” from within the police department when he initially advocated for the detective’s removal, and noted that investigators under his successor “solved the case in eighteen months without [Portela’s] involvement.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/08/01/gilgo-beach-serial-killer-rex-heuermann/

Patrick Portela, the lead detective investigating the Gilgo Four, was ultimately removed from the case, prior to the creation of the Gilgo Beach Homicide Investigation Task Force in February 2022. Under that force, leadership turned attention to a tip from a witness about a pickup trip that later connected them to the suspect. Authorities officially arrested Heuermann in midtown Manhattan on July 13.

What We Know About the Gilgo Beach Murders Case

The evidence against Rex Heuermann, a 59-year-old architect, includes 2,500 documents and hundreds of hours of video footage.

time.com

@Warwick7

alive okay.

 

[Ursamajr]

The latest victim to be named was identified last November.
This required a press conference this week.
Call me cynical but I'm starting to get really edgy.

Me too.

My apologies if this has already been discussed (I am exhausted and I figure I'm late on this): after listening to the Joshua Zeman /Joe Giacalone interview from the other day, it sounds like Karen Vergata's name was floating around with journalists and bloggers for a few days(?)/weeks(?). Perhaps LE wanted to get ahead of the news leaking to the general public. LE did know her name back in November of 2022 and it makes sense they would wait to release *IF* they do believe Heuermann is involved. I suppose it's possible thats not the case and they waited maybe because of the link to the Gilgo Beach location? Announcing FIJD's name back in November could have set Heuermann off?

I don't know why I'm edgy. I don't believe Heuermann only killed 4. I don't think all of his victims have been found but I don't want there to be more. Thinking about the undeveloped land down in SC makes me edgy. Thinking about the Suffolk County PD corruption makes me super edgy. I still think there are ways that mess can bungle up this entire case. Maybe. Why are you edgy?

 

[fred&edna]

Thanks again. It’s interesting that the 59th Street Bridge is coming up in Pak’s depo as where he picked up Shannon and then a couple of days later, he was told to pick up another escort there. 59th Street Bridge was also mentioned a few times in the RH bail doc relating to cell pings, if I’m remembering right. I suppose this is a popular spot for escorts to be picked up from. Another ”coincidence“ between Shannon and the G4. I apologize if what’s new info to me is redundant to others.

also interesting that Pak says he was convicted in 2003/4 of “misusing a passport“ to help an Asian male illegally enter the country. I’m having a hard time not letting my imagination jump to conclusions. I do hope someone is looking into any connections to RH.

I wonder if there were any arrests involving significant prostitution businesses near the 59th St bridge back in those days. If so, what business name/s was being used. It used to be easy to search for news reports of busts years ago but not so now. (imo)

 

[fred&edna]

Retired Detective Pat Portela

New York police refusing to release 911 tapes in serial killer case

The call was made by escort Shannan Gilbert, whose disappearance led to the discovery of 10 bodies near Long Island's Gilgo Beach.

www.nbcnews.com

2022

https://twitter.com/x/status/1504562800521355274

Sini said in a statement that he sought to remove the lead detective, Patrick Portela, because “it became increasingly clear that [he] was not willing to effectively collaborate,” including by refusing to share information with the FBI. Sini said that he was met with “fierce resistance” from within the police department when he initially advocated for the detective’s removal, and noted that investigators under his successor “solved the case in eighteen months without [Portela’s] involvement.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/08/01/gilgo-beach-serial-killer-rex-heuermann/

Patrick Portela, the lead detective investigating the Gilgo Four, was ultimately removed from the case, prior to the creation of the Gilgo Beach Homicide Investigation Task Force in February 2022. Under that force, leadership turned attention to a tip from a witness about a pickup trip that later connected them to the suspect. Authorities officially arrested Heuermann in midtown Manhattan on July 13.

What We Know About the Gilgo Beach Murders Case

The evidence against Rex Heuermann, a 59-year-old architect, includes 2,500 documents and hundreds of hours of video footage.

time.com

@Warwick7

alive okay.

I don't think mention of his death was meant "literally". jmo

 

[fred&edna]

I disagree with some viewpoints but that's just my opinion.

 

[arielilane]

Accused Long Island Serial Killer’s Family Living in ‘Surreal’ Horror Show, Lawyer Says

Lawyers for the family of accused Long Island serial killer Rex Heuermann say his adult children are in a “surreal, waking horror show,” according to Fox News Digital. Heuermann’s two adult children, 26-year-old Victoria Heuermann, and Christopher Sheridan, 33, are reportedly trying to put their...

www.crimeonline.com

August 7, 2023

 

[LadyL]

Accused Long Island Serial Killer’s Family Living in ‘Surreal’ Horror Show, Lawyer Says

Lawyers for the family of accused Long Island serial killer Rex Heuermann say his adult children are in a “surreal, waking horror show,” according to Fox News Digital. Heuermann’s two adult children, 26-year-old Victoria Heuermann, and Christopher Sheridan, 33, are reportedly trying to put their...

www.crimeonline.com

August 7, 2023

glad to see a nice picture of them

 

[Sundog]

glad to see a nice picture of them

I wonder if this is a picture of them that was taken before all this happened or if it is a current photo.

 

[sds71]

'Sweetest of People': Classmate Remembers Karen Vergata, Jane Doe 7

The North Shore High School alumnus recalled his friend as a "creative" and "empathetic" person.

patch.com