Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Ruminations]

The latest victim to be named was identified last November.
This required a press conference this week.
Call me cynical but I'm starting to get really edgy.

Lol, this case hasn't been a showcase for LE, especially SCPD.

Frankly, they earned cynicism.

But I'm still hanging on to optimism and cautious faith for the new task force. I believe they may have had to keep her name to themselves or risk tipping off Rex Heuermann. Perhaps he googled her family, etc., or otherwise left a clue to her ID that Rex would have realized meant they were watching him.

MOO

Edited to add: a little bird reminded me how inappropriately the DA is STILL behaving, peacocking, or maybe just cocking, his campaign in the court room.

 

[twall]

AE's attorney on last night's Banfield.
Says phone and cable were lines were cut when police dug up yard, family has 1 pp cell phone since police confiscated their phones, client donated 5 men and dumpster to help clean up, traps from bathroom sink and tub were cut out during search so trying to get people to assist to fix them, no immediate plans to leave home at this time, AE has not been interviewed by police and has not been asked to speak to them.

 

[kittythehare]

Lol, this case hasn't been a showcase for LE, especially SCPD.

Frankly, they earned cynicism.

But I'm still hanging on to optimism and cautious faith for the new task force. I believe they may have had to keep her name to themselves or risk tipping off Rex Heuermann. Perhaps he googled her family, etc., or otherwise left a clue to her ID that Rex would have realized meant they were watching him.

MOO

True but there is no indication that she is one of his victims yet.. she may well be but 9 months later they should know..

 

[Ruminations]

I haven’t been able to keep up this week. Am I losing my mind or is there info floating around that Peaches and the toddler have been identified and it will be announced soon? I can’t remember where I saw it now, but I swear I did.

Yeah- it's out there. I forgot where, but very credible. I think Josh Z (forgot his exact name).

MOO

 

[ArianeEmory]

Here: Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #7

Hope it's solid information.

Thank you. I am also crossing my fingers for Asian* Doe, especially due to proximity to the Gilgo four.

(*I can’t remember where I heard it, might have been the LISK podcast or another podcast, but someone was speculating that they might have the phenotype wrong and that this Doe may be Hispanic. I suppose either way forensic genealogy becomes more difficult in your standard American databases.)

 

[Ruminations]

AE's attorney on last night's Banfield.
Says phone and cable were lines were cut when police dug up yard, family has 1 pp cell phone since police confiscated their phones, client donated 5 men and dumpster to help clean up, traps from bathroom sink and tub were cut out during search so trying to get people to assist to fix them, no immediate plans to leave home at this time, AE has not been interviewed by police and has not been asked to speak to them.

I can't watch---among other triggers, dudes forehead looks like Chris Cuomo.

MOO

 

[Sundog]

I can't watch---among other triggers, dudes forehead looks like Chris Cuomo.

MOO

Robert Macedonia is AE's attorney and from all appearances so far, IMO he is doing a great job, beyond just being her attorney. He continues to show great concern for her, even went to her home this week and is working with others to try and get it fixed up so it is more liveable for the family as long as they are living there. One of his cients has donated some of those industrial bins to help with the clean up (which is badly needed), and they (including Macedonia) are trying to find some volunteers to help fix the drains to the bathtub and sinks so that AE and her children can use them. AE's attorney strikes me as a person with great empathy for her and her children.

The frown on his forehead shows his deep worry and concern for Asa and her children, IMO, and I applaud him for going well beyond his duty regarding representation of his client.


Edited to add: The client of RM who donated the bins for clean up also donated labor to help with the clean up.

 

[minazoe]

I wish the community could put a new house there...or someone would volunteer to help. I feel like she has to stay there because legally she might be forced to give up the property in the divorce...and then Rex can use proceeds for his defense. She is in a legal pickle right now I think. I am suspicious of her in a way just because she was married to Rex..the reality though is she had no idea. I wonder if he never gave her any access to money? It's absurd that they were on food stamps...but we don't know their reason..


at least for now..I think she is still in shock and later on things may start to pop out and she will see signs where she didn't see them before..mOO

 

[Ruminations]

I wish the community could put a new house there...or someone would volunteer to help. I feel like she has to stay there because legally she might be forced to give up the property in the divorce...and then Rex can use proceeds for his defense. She is in a legal pickle right now I think. I am suspicious of her in a way just because she was married to Rex..the reality though is she had no idea. I wonder if he never gave her any access to money? It's absurd that they were on food stamps...but we don't know there reason..


at least for now..I think she is still in shock and later on things may start to pop out and she will see signs where she didn't see them before..mOO

Well, the house belongs to AE. I think before the community does anything, they should check with her.

But I agree that she deserves support however she wants it. Maybe she wants the house more or less as it was- but with a roof that looks more water tight and the porch screened again. I bet she wants her impressive vegetable garden back. Maybe she wants the funds to relocate somewhere rural or urban, or move to Iceland. Whatever- on her terms.

MOO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"They're constantly … having to reevaluate what is happening to them, almost in real-time," said Mitev. "Obviously, the deplorable conditions that their house was left in — torn apart from the floorboards to the shingles, basically, is their paramount concern."

Mitev added the children are also "trying to regain some basic sense of normalcy, which is completely impossible at this point. They're living in a surreal, waking horror show."

Mitev characterized Victoria and Christopher, who has developmental disabilities, as "bystanders who are caught up in this developing legal case of the century."

He said he was hired to protect "their rights and liberties," especially since the investigation is "now heating up

Long Island Serial Killer Suspect's Kids Living in 'Waking Horror Show,' Attorney Says

'They're constantly … having to reevaluate what is happening to them, almost in real-time,' said lawyer Vess Mitev

themessenger.com

 

[Betty P]

Gilgo Beach serial killings: FBI tracking lead to Alabama over 'Peaches' tattoo

The FBI is tracking a lead in the Long Island, New York, Gilgo Beach serial killing case to Mobile, Alabama, seeking relatives of a deceased man linked to a victim known as “Peaches.”

www.foxnews.com

Sounds like he might be the common genetic ancestor who links Peaches to others in her family.

 

[Arkay]

Well, the house belongs to AE. I think before the community does anything, they should check with her.

But I agree that she deserves support however she wants it. Maybe she wants the house more or less as it was- but with a roof that looks more water tight and the porch screened again. I bet she wants her impressive vegetable garden back. Maybe she wants the funds to relocate somewhere rural or urban, or move to Iceland. Whatever- on her terms.

MOO

Well-stated.

I worry for her adult children. Victoria worked with her father, so is she going to continue working for that company?

Also, though Iceland is home for AE, it would be, IMO, a very abrupt change for her children, particularly for Christopher with his developmental disabilities.

Perhaps it would be wonderful for them, though?

Life for them in the suburbs of Long Island has changed abruptly already. Maybe far away where there is less notoriety would be beneficial? New home, new jobs, maybe Victoria and Christopher already can speak some Icelandic?

Just my speculation.

 

[sds71]

Coysh, in her court papers, requested that if the judge orders the cheek swab, that a member of the defense team be permitted to observe the sample being taken from their client to “ensure that the post-arraignment interaction between the defendant, Rex A. Heuermann, and members of law enforcement does not escalate, intentionally or otherwise, to an impermissible infringement of his constitutional rights.”


A lawyer for suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann is opposing a prosecution request to take a DNA swab from Heuermann, arguing in newly filed court papers that prosecutors have failed to demonstrate probable cause that Heuermann killed three women.

In the court documents, Haddad said without a direct sample of Heuermann's DNA prosecutors could only reference the pizza crusts and napkins as “purported to be used/touched” by Heuermann.

“The assertions contained the people’s moving papers might be construed as rising to the level of a reasonable suspicion, but that is a far cry from the standard of probable cause required to justify granting the order sought be the people,” wrote Danielle Coysh, an attorney for Heuermann.

Gilgo Beach killings: Suspect Rex Heuermann's defense opposes cheek swab, court filing shows

A lawyer for Rex A. Heuermann is opposing a prosecution request to take a cheek swab from him, arguing that prosecutors have failed to demonstrate probable cause that Heuermann killed three women.

www.newsday.com

 

[FromGermany1]

Well-stated.

I worry for her adult children. Victoria worked with her father, so is she going to continue working for that company?

Also, though Iceland is home for AE, it would be, IMO, a very abrupt change for her children, particularly for Christopher with his developmental disabilities.

Perhaps it would be wonderful for them, though?

Life for them in the suburbs of Long Island has changed abruptly already. Maybe far away where there is less notoriety would be beneficial? New home, new jobs, maybe Victoria and Christopher already can speak some Icelandic?

Just my speculation.

Afaik, AE wasn't born in Iceland but in South Farmingdale/NY. So, Iceland isn't home to her, only a nice place for vacation, I think.

 

[kittythehare]

Coysh, in her court papers, requested that if the judge orders the cheek swab, that a member of the defense team be permitted to observe the sample being taken from their client to “ensure that the post-arraignment interaction between the defendant, Rex A. Heuermann, and members of law enforcement does not escalate, intentionally or otherwise, to an impermissible infringement of his constitutional rights.”


A lawyer for suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann is opposing a prosecution request to take a DNA swab from Heuermann, arguing in newly filed court papers that prosecutors have failed to demonstrate probable cause that Heuermann killed three women.

In the court documents, Haddad said without a direct sample of Heuermann's DNA prosecutors could only reference the pizza crusts and napkins as “purported to be used/touched” by Heuermann.

“The assertions contained the people’s moving papers might be construed as rising to the level of a reasonable suspicion, but that is a far cry from the standard of probable cause required to justify granting the order sought be the people,” wrote Danielle Coysh, an attorney for Heuermann.

Gilgo Beach killings: Suspect Rex Heuermann's defense opposes cheek swab, court filing shows

A lawyer for Rex A. Heuermann is opposing a prosecution request to take a cheek swab from him, arguing that prosecutors have failed to demonstrate probable cause that Heuermann killed three women.

www.newsday.com

His daughter might oblige with a cheek swab if she was treated with respect.

Also, did they not grab his toothbrushes and personal items when they raided?

They must have a million items that are his and his alone from which they should be able to get super large samples.

 

[iamshadow21]

His daughter might oblige with a cheek swab if she was treated with respect.

Also, did they not grab his toothbrushes and personal items when they raided?

They must have a million items that are his and his alone from which they should be able to get super large samples.

It is of great importance to get a sample DIRECTLY from him, with witnesses. Samples from objects he has used or touched are enough for a warrant, but for the trial moving forward, they need that primary sample. Cheek swab or blood sample.

MOO

 

[Sundog]

His daughter might oblige with a cheek swab if she was treated with respect.

Also, did they not grab his toothbrushes and personal items when they raided?

They must have a million items that are his and his alone from which they should be able to get super large samples.

His daughter has an attorney representing her, and I doubt he would allow LE to meet with her alone or allow her to provide a DNA sample. I think this would be standard attorney-client protocol.

 

[Betty P]

Coysh, in her court papers, requested that if the judge orders the cheek swab, that a member of the defense team be permitted to observe the sample being taken from their client to “ensure that the post-arraignment interaction between the defendant, Rex A. Heuermann, and members of law enforcement does not escalate, intentionally or otherwise, to an impermissible infringement of his constitutional rights.”


A lawyer for suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann is opposing a prosecution request to take a DNA swab from Heuermann, arguing in newly filed court papers that prosecutors have failed to demonstrate probable cause that Heuermann killed three women.

In the court documents, Haddad said without a direct sample of Heuermann's DNA prosecutors could only reference the pizza crusts and napkins as “purported to be used/touched” by Heuermann.

“The assertions contained the people’s moving papers might be construed as rising to the level of a reasonable suspicion, but that is a far cry from the standard of probable cause required to justify granting the order sought be the people,” wrote Danielle Coysh, an attorney for Heuermann.

Gilgo Beach killings: Suspect Rex Heuermann's defense opposes cheek swab, court filing shows

A lawyer for Rex A. Heuermann is opposing a prosecution request to take a cheek swab from him, arguing that prosecutors have failed to demonstrate probable cause that Heuermann killed three women.

www.newsday.com

Yeah, no it's ok for prosecution to do this. The defense is just going through the motions, hoping to establish some pretense for later appeal, JMO/IANAL.

 

[Betty P]

It is of great importance to get a sample DIRECTLY from him, with witnesses. Samples from objects he has used or touched are enough for a warrant, but for the trial moving forward, they need that primary sample. Cheek swab or blood sample.

MOO

Which leads one to ask "why is the defense team making this point while telling the judge that he doesn't want Rex to give the buccal swab?"

ETA: I've been following some trials the last few years where DNA is a big part of the evidence. Defense attorneys always make these kinds of strange arguments. JMO, it serves 2 purposes: 1. to confuse the public/potential jury pool and 2. to establish some kind of grounds to make an appeal at a later date. JMO

 

[kittythehare]

His daughter has an attorney representing her, and I doubt he would allow LE to meet with her alone or allow her to provide a DNA sample. I think this would be standard attorney-client protocol.

She may well be happy to provide a sample.