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“The assertions contained the people’s moving papers might be construed as rising to the level of a reasonable suspicion, but that is a far cry from the standard of probable cause required to justify granting the order sought be the people,” wrote Danielle Coysh, an attorney for Heuermann.

“Should the defendant’s DNA from the [cheek swab] not match the DNA profile from the pizza crusts and napkin submitted for Rex Heuermann … the defense would be presented with a potential trial defense,” Haddad wrote. “Thus, there is a clear indication that material and relevant evidence will be found and is crucial for trial.”

“The people essentially concede that they have no evidence establishing the defendant Rex A. Heuermann actually ever came into contact with the pizza crust or used napkin found in the discarded pizza box,” Coysh wrote, citing the prosecution’s assertion that Heuermann was “purported to have used or touched those items.”

Coysh added: “Thus, by the people’s own admission, the nexus between the partially eaten pizza crust and used napkin and the defendant Rex A. Heuermann is at best a matter of conjecture and assumption, not fact.”

"He's a man who's never been arrested before," Brown said previously. "He's maintained his innocence from the inception of this case. So he's doing the best he can at this point in time. And looking forward to having his day in court."
 
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On Oct. 10, 1991, 12-year-old Tiffany Dixon vanished after dropping off her younger cousin at an elementary school in Carroll Gardens. She never made it to her seventh-grade class several blocks away.

The online true crime site “Murder Incorporated” noted that Tiffany Dixon lived on Hart Street in Bushwick. Eight months after her disappearance, Rex Heuermann filed a request to do work on a property located at 689 Hart Street, up the block from where Dixon was living with her aunt and cousin.

Two weeks later, on Oct. 30, 1991, the body parts of a Park Slope woman, Sandra Acosta, were discovered at a weeded lot near the Gowanus section of Brooklyn. Her two hands, feet, arms and legs were found, along with her head. Her torso was never recovered.

“Somebody set out to do this,” Luz Carrion said in 1991, “not only to her but other people because there’s a lot of young girls missing, about three others. Same color hair, about the same height, weight, same area. The other girl is three blocks away from here, Tiffany.”

Luz Carrion referred to the missing Tiffany Dixon, who was never found.

Sandra Acosta was slim and petite, standing only about 4 feet eleven inches tall.
 
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I am very surprised about this.
I would think that talking to a spouse (morover, to a spouse who was living with serial killer and whose hair was on the victims) would be pretty high in the priority list, no? It's been quite a while now and all kinds of information has already been exchanged via media that can influence her testimony etc.

I might be misunderstanding (on multiple levels), but they can’t compel her to testify against him. She also might be willing to help them but not have any viable information (being out of town during his crimes).
 
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I am very surprised about this.
I would think that talking to a spouse (morover, to a spouse who was living with serial killer and whose hair was on the victims) would be pretty high in the priority list, no? It's been quite a while now and all kinds of information has already been exchanged via media that can influence her testimony etc.
I wonder if the spousal privilege in law has something to do with it. LE is likely wanting to do everything by the book in this case, and being very careful.

JMO and thoughts.
 
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“The assertions contained the people’s moving papers might be construed as rising to the level of a reasonable suspicion, but that is a far cry from the standard of probable cause required to justify granting the order sought be the people,” wrote Danielle Coysh, an attorney for Heuermann.

“Should the defendant’s DNA from the [cheek swab] not match the DNA profile from the pizza crusts and napkin submitted for Rex Heuermann … the defense would be presented with a potential trial defense,” Haddad wrote. “Thus, there is a clear indication that material and relevant evidence will be found and is crucial for trial.”

“The people essentially concede that they have no evidence establishing the defendant Rex A. Heuermann actually ever came into contact with the pizza crust or used napkin found in the discarded pizza box,” Coysh wrote, citing the prosecution’s assertion that Heuermann was “purported to have used or touched those items.”

Coysh added: “Thus, by the people’s own admission, the nexus between the partially eaten pizza crust and used napkin and the defendant Rex A. Heuermann is at best a matter of conjecture and assumption, not fact.”

"He's a man who's never been arrested before," Brown said previously. "He's maintained his innocence from the inception of this case. So he's doing the best he can at this point in time. And looking forward to having his day in court."


yeah right. There was enough probable cause to take away his freedom, no bail. There was enough probable cause to saw apart his plumbing and dig out his back yard. But, swab his cheek painlessly? What judge would approve that?

MOO
 
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On Oct. 10, 1991, 12-year-old Tiffany Dixon vanished after dropping off her younger cousin at an elementary school in Carroll Gardens. She never made it to her seventh-grade class several blocks away.

The online true crime site “Murder Incorporated” noted that Tiffany Dixon lived on Hart Street in Bushwick. Eight months after her disappearance, Rex Heuermann filed a request to do work on a property located at 689 Hart Street, up the block from where Dixon was living with her aunt and cousin.

Two weeks later, on Oct. 30, 1991, the body parts of a Park Slope woman, Sandra Acosta, were discovered at a weeded lot near the Gowanus section of Brooklyn. Her two hands, feet, arms and legs were found, along with her head. Her torso was never recovered.

“Somebody set out to do this,” Luz Carrion said in 1991, “not only to her but other people because there’s a lot of young girls missing, about three others. Same color hair, about the same height, weight, same area. The other girl is three blocks away from here, Tiffany.”

Luz Carrion referred to the missing Tiffany Dixon, who was never found.

Sandra Acosta was slim and petite, standing only about 4 feet eleven inches tall.
Just started a thread for this murdered girl, wondering if RH has ever been known to sport a beard, real or otherwise?
speculation, imo, fwiw..
 
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I might be misunderstanding (on multiple levels), but they can’t compel her to testify against him. She also might be willing to help them but not have any viable information (being out of town during his crimes).

I too was going to comment on that I thought it was odd she had not been interviewed.

I was thinking she might be able to “remember” something, like maybe a time period when he came home with scratches per say, or blood, etc, etc., etc.

The show on ID “Evil Lives Here” comes to mind, when they have the partners recount their experiences and life living with a SK, and the theme of the show “But there had been signs...”.

I wasn’t going to bring it up because I didn’t want it to be misconstrued that maybe she should have noticed things, because sometimes these killers are good at hiding things, etc. And in no way must this lady be blamed for anything.

But from the standpoint of hindsight being 20/20, I would think she might be able to provide useful information to investigators. It seems at this point she was out of town on the charged crimes, but that does not mean she might have always been out of town.

Again, this is not to point blame towards her in any way because she is also an innocent victim. But again, maybe she even knows something she doesn’t think she might know.

As mentioned she can’t be compelled to testify against her husband, but perhaps she can point them in a direction, like hypothetically, “One time he took a work trip to so-and-so”, or whatever it might be.
 
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Hence why it's important that everything is documented at every stage - collection, processing, interpretation. What they did, how they did it, how they arrived at the result they did. They're going to be asked on the stand to show their work, so they'd better be able to.

She's behind bars for fraud because the idea she had was never viable, they never made it work, they fabricated evidence to support their claim it did work, and they took money from a lot of people including the government to 'build' it when they never built anything. I don't think you can compare Elizabeth Holmes and her smoke and mirrors with almost forty years of forensic science using DNA, when what Holmes did was essentially just a modern version of a classic scam that has fleeced many a person of their cash in the last few centuries. Silver mine, anyone? I can get you in on the ground floor. ;)

Don't get me wrong, ANY science can be misused or held up as proof of something it isn't. But there are few things so closely examined as DNA in forensic science right now, except perhaps electronic data interpretation. I don't see DNA falling from grace as hard and fast as Theranos in my lifetime, if ever.

MOO
Absolutely agree with your statements. I’m hopeful even more advances in DNA testing will help solve many more cold cases that’s been awaiting justice.
I’m often too gullible, I want to believe that initially Theranos, maybe not necessarily Holmes herself, started out with good intentions. When research results failed almost from the beginning so did she, all the attention and financial success in excess from the fraudulent concept of a miracle test pulled her deeper into the black hole of evil deception and corruption. To me she shows no remorse or responsibility, continuing to mislead during her testimony- she was never Steve Jobs’ equal more like Kenneth Lay of Enron. JMO.
 
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I might be misunderstanding (on multiple levels), but they can’t compel her to testify against him. She also might be willing to help them but not have any viable information (being out of town during his crimes).
True...
 
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I too was going to comment on that I thought it was odd she had not been interviewed.

I was thinking she might be able to “remember” something, like maybe a time period when he came home with scratches per say, or blood, etc, etc., etc.

The show on ID “Evil Lives Here” comes to mind, when they have the partners recount their experiences and life living with a SK, and the theme of the show “But there had been signs...”

I wasn’t going to bring it up because I didn’t want it to be misconstrued that maybe she should have noticed things, because sometimes these killers are good at hiding things, etc. And in no way must this lady be blamed for anything.

But from the standpoint of hindsight being 20/20, I would think she might be able to provide useful information to investigators. It seems at this point she was out of town on the charged crimes, but that does not mean she might have always been out of town.

Again, this is not to point blame towards her in any way because she is also an innocent victim. But again, maybe she even knows something she doesn’t think she might now.

As mentioned she can’t be compelled to testify against her husband, but perhaps she can point them in a direction, like hypothetically, “One time he took a work trip to so-and-so”, or whatever it might be.
Great post!
 
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If I had NOT murdered these women or anyone else I would be hollering to give me a dna buccal swab!!
Holla!!!
He better hope he doesn't ever need to be tested for covid. Lol!!
 
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When exactly did RH’s work website go down, do you guys know? Just curious. Tia.

RH was arrested on a Thursday and by Friday the "Meet the Team" page on the website was taken down. The rest of the website stayed up for awhile, IIRC, because I went to the website later and it was still up, without the "Meet the Team" section.

This article has info about the web page for RH's company.

 
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Great post!

Thanks Warwick!

Continuing from above, I just remembered something from the show “Evil Lives Here”, and I think this could possibly be very important:

I recall an episode where the wife/family member was given gifts, specifically jewelry, and one time even a hand held tape recorder.

These were items that belonged to victims.

IMO the investigators should be asking the wife and family what gifts they have been given. There’s a chance imo they could have come from a victim.

I recall another episode of “Evil Lives Here” (GREAT show btw, you can watch it on Discovery+ which is only 6.99 a month and has a ton of crime shows) where the wife found underwear in her husband’s vehicle...sure that could mean just cheating, but you get my drift. She could hold an arsenal of potentially significant information.

Maybe at some point after she has had some time to process and get away from the media frenzy she might decide to talk to investigators about things she has deemed to be suspicious in hindsight.
 
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I’m not on LinkedIn so unable to view this, can someone please copy over the info within TOS, thank you.

Not much there, I had difficulties with trying to copy and paste it.

Just says name of his company and address in NY City, NY.

Still shows some "friends" or whatever they are called on LinkedIn.

Mainly the page says:

"Rex has not posted lately." :oops:
 
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August 7, 2023

They look really happy in that photo. I'm sad to see their life ripped apart.
 
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Just started a thread for this murdered girl, wondering if RH has ever been known to sport a beard, real or otherwise?
speculation, imo, fwiw..
I read about her last night looking at old cases. So many young women and children were strangled, raped, murdered and/or missing around there in the 90's. I came across multiple 11 & 12 year olds. It was eye-opening, sad and disturbing. With the known search history we have from Rex's Google, it certainly makes one wonder!
 
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I too was going to comment on that I thought it was odd she had not been interviewed.

I was thinking she might be able to “remember” something, like maybe a time period when he came home with scratches per say, or blood, etc, etc., etc.

The show on ID “Evil Lives Here” comes to mind, when they have the partners recount their experiences and life living with a SK, and the theme of the show “But there had been signs...”.

I wasn’t going to bring it up because I didn’t want it to be misconstrued that maybe she should have noticed things, because sometimes these killers are good at hiding things, etc. And in no way must this lady be blamed for anything.

But from the standpoint of hindsight being 20/20, I would think she might be able to provide useful information to investigators. It seems at this point she was out of town on the charged crimes, but that does not mean she might have always been out of town.

Again, this is not to point blame towards her in any way because she is also an innocent victim. But again, maybe she even knows something she doesn’t think she might know.

As mentioned she can’t be compelled to testify against her husband, but perhaps she can point them in a direction, like hypothetically, “One time he took a work trip to so-and-so”, or whatever it might be.

1) we don't really know what went down. Maybe the lawyer thinks it is in AE best interest not to talk, but to appear fully cooperative. The lawyer could be giving legal advice to wait before talking, and could be managing public perception by making it appear she would gladly talk. The reason for the advice to be quiet for now (and her wearing her wedding bands) could be related to divorce strategy.

2) it is hardly unusual for people to train themselves not to see what is right in front of their faces: a loved one's addiction, or a spouses affair, for examples. They are not stupid, they are only letting the information they are ready to deal with in. I would not be surprised at all if AE trained herself to ignore what would be signs of an affair, or something like that. I could see her thinking, "I guess I should have known about the sex workers and massages, but I never could have seen killing them coming!"

MOO
 

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