Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Dhighsmith]

DNA is in its infancy. Who knows how everything will shake out. People now like to say "DNA doesn't lie." My thought on this is that DNA doesn't lie. However, DNA can be misinterpreted. We need to be careful with what the evidence is really saying.

So true, I’m hoping that those responsible for interpreting the data are properly qualified as the Defense will be super focused on possible weaknesses.

 

[Scotch]

One thought I did have is maaaaaaybe RH was in the area visiting the bodies, or something else like removing evidence, etc., etc., and came across her.

What if RH just happened to be there and she thought he could help her, then stumbled upon whatever it was that he was doing? If so, she had the worst luck in the world. The others don't strike me as men who would be willing to follow her into that thick brush in the middle of the night without flashlights. They knew once she was sober she wouldn't say anything to anyone, so they didn't have much incentive other than she had called 911. But that could easily be explained as her just being high and hallucinating. And why kill her once they knew she had called? They would instantly be suspects in her death. JMO.

 

[kittythehare]

DNA is in its infancy. Who knows how everything will shake out. People now like to say "DNA doesn't lie." My thought on this is that DNA doesn't lie. However, DNA can be misinterpreted. We need to be careful with what the evidence is really saying.

Here's a few interesting links on DNA

Discovery of DNA Double Helix: Watson and Crick

The landmark ideas of Watson and Crick relied heavily on the work of other scientists. What did the duo actually discover?

www.nature.com

The Discovery of the Double Helix, 1951-1953

profiles.nlm.nih.gov

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1469605321990115

https://www.law.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Admissibility_of_DNA_Evidence_in_Court.pdf

 

[kittythehare]

Do we know or are there records of if they ever did work for some of the stuff in the Massapequa Park Preserve? I was googling it just now because I am trying to compare and contrast it with where the G4 were found. I stumbled across this pic that is somewhere in the preserve. Anyone know if this is a restroom or just an abandoned structure?View attachment 439800

Google earth might find it and any other buildings in close proximity to a parking place?
They should also have historical values so changes can easily be seen

 

[Barbie619]

Could the lifelong lifestyle hoarding habits of his spouse be a source of disagreements between them? Were his specific work areas organized and clutter free? Were these areas the only control he had in his household? Did he devise and outsource a way to gain back control? Total control of these women.

RH had 279 guns in his cellar under lock and key. I say this as it's the only proof that he was one of the hoarders in that house. No proof of other members of the family so far. jmo

 

[BrittyB7]

His daughter has an attorney representing her, and I doubt he would allow LE to meet with her alone or allow her to provide a DNA sample. I think this would be standard attorney-client protocol.

I swear I read somewhere that the wife, daughter and son all submitted samples

 

[Soulmagent]

I haven't seen any MSM reporting that any victims' advocacy group was helping AE while she had no living arrangements while LE searched the house. I also don't think she would have refused help, she seems very open to help when it has been offered according to her statements to the media and MSM reporting. Daughter was employed at her father's firm which closed the day he was arrested. Son may have been on SSI but that likely wasn't a lot of money and who knows where they were with regard to the monthly cycle of SSI payments. Bank accounts may not have been frozen, but if they were living from paycheck to paycheck as many people do, there might not have been much to draw from after bills were paid, like mortgage, etc. She could have used a credit card for a car and hotel, but if she was trying to keep credit card purchases low, a rental car for a week is a lot cheaper than a hotel for a week. (That's if the car was a rental, I don't recall if it was a rental car or her car or a relative's car.)

Would his daughter not quailfy for unemployment? If it was a legit job ,that should be a legit option . They do need an Advocate, at least one of those can help them figure out all their options .

 

[BrittyB7]

His daughter has an attorney representing her, and I doubt he would allow LE to meet with her alone or allow her to provide a DNA sample. I think this would be standard attorney-client protocol.

Court documents: Suffolk DA's office has requested cheek swab from Rex Heuermann

After Heuermann’s arrest, his wife, daughter and stepson voluntarily provided cheek swabs for DNA analysis. However, Heuermann still has not.

longisland.news12.com

“DNA evidence can be crucial in the investigation and prosecutors said they need more. After Heuermann’s arrest, his wife, daughter and stepson voluntarily provided cheek swabs for DNA analysis. However, Heuermann still has not.”

 

[kittythehare]

I'm after rH and I'll take what I can find because there is no real new information. looking at older stuff..

particularly interested in finding his man cave if it exists..

 

[margarita25]

I’m just saying his MO with sex workers indicates targeting easy prey, ones less likely to be missed.

qmfr, gah reading back and cringing, this part was not written well, I said “I’m just saying his MO with sex workers indicates targeting easy prey, ones less likely to be missed”, important caveat and revision should be “I’m just saying his MO with sex workers indicates targeting easy prey, victims HE THINKS may be less likely to be missed.”

In other words we know these victims are real people, with people who love and miss them. He was VERY wrong IF he thought...

Just wanted to clarify that, sometimes you the something and it’s like omg that did not come out the way I was intending.

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PS these developments with LISK are some of the most exciting things I’ve ever experienced on WS. Of course anytime a killer is caught, or a victim ID’d it is a victory, but this is, well you know.

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[Baby baby Jane]

Agreed. I think there was a place he brought them before he killed them too. Doing so in a car or outside would be a huge risk because someone could just drive or walk right by him. He needed privacy to commit his heinous crimes.

The National Park Service (631-281-3010) permits waterfowl hunting from the Fire Island National Seashore. Wertheim National Wildlife Refuge is located on the south shore of Long Island in Suffolk County. This area offers deer and youth turkey hunting opportunities. State and refuge permits are required.

I wonder if there are any buildings his company started working on, but then never finished or abandoned the site?

Babylon Marsh Hunting Area Dept of Conservation Hunting Area next to Gilgo Beach. It’s a Duck hunting area and a reason to have Hunting burlap - It is legal to duck hunt (possibly deer) along Babylon Marsh, fire island /cap tree beaches in Winter. Duck hunters use huts, tents, boats which are camouflaged with burlap. They would be loading and unloading vehicles in these areas without being suspicious. Hunting would be a reason to be in remote beach areas, creeping around in darkness and a reason why a person would know the access roads. Only in Winter & Perhaps a reason why different types of body dumps as Summer, the nights are short and many people around. Fall & Winter long nights and isolation … hunters don’t really approach or talk to other hunters.
So it’s possible duck hunting would provide knowledge, access, and reason to be out in these areas and for having large objects wrapped in burlap - shelter/tent?. But not in Summer. Doesn’t give a reason to be lurking in May (Shannan)
Looks like hunters must be permitted ..

Long Island Public Hunting Areas

This page displays maps of public hunting areas on Long Island.

www.dec.ny.gov

 

[margarita25]

Agreed. I think there was a place he brought them before he killed them too. Snipped He needed privacy to commit his heinous crimes.

Agreed, was going to say the same thing.

Sadly I don’t think a quick assault in a car is what he was after. (How bad is it to preface something like that with “sadly”)

I think he possibly took time with his victims, evident by a few things including his propensity to “taunt”, as seen with his calls to victims’ family members, etc.

 

[dotr]

Agreed, was going to say the same thing.

Sadly I don’t think a quick assault in a car is what he was after. (How bad is it to preface something like that with “sadly”)

I think he possibly took time with his victims, evident by a few things including his propensity to “taunt”, as seen with his calls to victims’ family members, etc.

Thinking of cars and wondering if he had a private garage where he could take them?
He could drive right in so the car is not visible, have various 'accessories' handy, privacy and maybe sound proofing too. imo.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Thinking of cars and wondering if he had a private garage where he could take them?
He could drive right in so the car is not visible, have various 'accessories' handy, privacy and maybe sound proofing too. imo.

Did someone already mention access to empty house/building as part of architect business at the time?

 

[DetectiveDraper]

Would his daughter not quailfy for unemployment? If it was a legit job ,that should be a legit option . They do need an Advocate, at least one of those can help them figure out all their options .

If your dad bring a serial killer doesn't qualify you for unemployment what would!!

 

[CuriousCricket]

Here's a few interesting links on DNA

Discovery of DNA Double Helix: Watson and Crick

The landmark ideas of Watson and Crick relied heavily on the work of other scientists. What did the duo actually discover?

www.nature.com

The Discovery of the Double Helix, 1951-1953

profiles.nlm.nih.gov

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1469605321990115

https://www.law.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Admissibility_of_DNA_Evidence_in_Court.pdf

Thanks. Also on CBS's "FBI" last night was a reminder that conclusions drawn in early cell phone tracking could have landed the wrong person in jail. That's why the exact tracking information and distances MUST be presented to the jury. I've always wondered how many men paid child support for another man's child in the earliest days of 12- and 25-marker DNA y matching. Now, matching doesn't really start until 37 marker, 111 is much better and the "Big Y 700" considered today's best. But what about court decisions made 20 years ago?

 

[investigatefred]

It has been said that most serial killers start killing in their mid 20's to early 30's; Based on his search history, I wonder if he didn't start off by killing young girls (10-12 year olds) in the late 80's, early 90's? Then realizing it was too risky because everyone looked for the missing children, he turned to the escorts, for they were less likely to be reported missing or looked for. He chose them because they were petite, young women who represented the children he truly sought.

I hope they look deeply into the many cold cases of the children killed in the area back then.

All MOO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I'm after rH and I'll take what I can find because there is no real new information. looking at older stuff..

particularly interested in finding his man cave if it exists..

He has the property in Chester, SC. They are investigating a missing young women from Rock Hill, SC as a possible connection.

I wonder how often he visited this property? It is fairly remote and the parcel of land is undeveloped. I've read that he often went on 'trips' for days at a time.

I'm still in shock at the whole thing really.

moo

 

[investigatefred]

He has the property in Chester, SC. They are investigating a missing young women from Rock Hill, SC as a possible connection.

I wonder how often he visited this property? It is fairly remote and the parcel of land is undeveloped. I've read that he often went on 'trips' for days at a time.

I'm still in shock at the whole thing really.

moo

While most of it is undeveloped, there is a mobile home on the one parcel as well as another structure. The mobile home itself on Rex's land is owned by his brother, not Rex.

 

[dotr]

He has the property in Chester, SC. They are investigating a missing young women from Rock Hill, SC as a possible connection.

I wonder how often he visited this property? It is fairly remote and the parcel of land is undeveloped. I've read that he often went on 'trips' for days at a time.

I'm still in shock at the whole thing really.

moo

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