Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[fred&edna]

DBM... meant to post on a different thread

 

[margarita25]

IMO, Rex didn't kill Shannan, however I do feel someone within the confines of Oak Beach did. It is a gated community, so unless Rex was an invited guest of someone living there, he couldn't have gotten past the gate to drive in to stalk her.

I tend to agree, but I back go and forth and change my opinion about every couple hours lol. . My theory at this particular hour is two people that live in the neighborhood are related to her death. I was listening to her 911 call again, and again turned away from MP, considering things he was saying, but he could have been acting a certain way on the phone bc she was talking to police, and also knowing 911 calls are recorded.

One thought I did have is maaaaaaybe RH was in the area visiting the bodies, or something else like removing evidence, etc., etc., and came across her.

Actually, anything interesting RH timeline wise around Shannan’s visit to Oak Beach? I forgot to look duh. I know a lot has been talked about in these threads, unfortunately I can’t read everything due to real life constrictions.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Court filings show new details on how defense team plans to fight charges in Gilgo case

The defense team argues that prosecutors have not shown probable cause that Rex Heuermann committed the murders of three women, according to the documents.

longisland.news12.com

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“In paragraph 32 of the People’s Affirmation in Support the People acknowledge that presently they can state nothing more than Rex A. Heuermann is purported to have used or touched those items,” stated Coysh. “Thus, by the People’s own admission, the nexus between the partially eaten pizza crust and used napkin and the defendant Rex A. Heuermann is at best a matter of conjecture and assumption, not fact.”

The defense team also attacked the argument that Heuermann matches a witness description of the suspected killer. A witness described a man around 6 feet 4 inches, largely built with dark bushy hair and glasses, as believed to be the last person to see Gilgo Beach victim Amber Costello alive.

Coysh wrote that there is no claim Heuermann was ever identified in-person or through photos as that person.

 

[margarita25]

I read about her last night looking at old cases. So many young women and children were strangled, raped, murdered and/or missing around there in the 90's. I came across multiple 11 & 12 year olds. It was eye-opening, sad and disturbing. With the known search history we have from Rex's Google, it certainly makes one wonder!

This is where it gets really tricky, imo, as far as MO.

IMO RH targeted the G4 victims because they were easy, vulnerable targets, and perhaps he thought they were less likely to be reported missing, cared about, etc. We have troves of reference on SKs that target sex workers.

We also have troves of examples on child killers who abduct, say while walking to school, or at a playground, etc.

So, how do these two MOs mix?

If it were not for his known Google searches and CSAM, it might prove difficult to know whether or not he harmed kids.

BUT WE KNOW HE IS A KILLER AND HAD INTEREST IN CHILDREN, so imo there is a low probability he did not act out these fantasies.

The question is how and when, and of course who.

I’ve got some notes going I’ll post later, but I did notice his client list included the Catholic charities that work with children. This has likely been mentioned so sorry for rehash, but perhaps that is an avenue.

The sex workers originally went with him willingly, presumably, but kids, is he the type to “abduct” from the street? Come see this puppy? Maybe, but maybe not. Maybe it falls more along the MO of them going with him willingly, and targeting ones in vulnerable situations, like his MO with the sex workers. And more specifically children he has direct access to.

Another thing I noticed in his client list is he worked on individual apartments. I’m sure investigators are looking at whether any crimes occurred at these clients’ locations. Did he come back to any properties he worked on?

There’s also the sewer client. Maybe this is related to a disposal method. I don’t think he stopped killing after the G4, so what other dumping grounds does he have. There has to be more out there, jmo. It will be interesting to see how the park search pans out.

Then of course the access to vacant/abandoned buildings, properties under construction...my guess is this is where he might have taken and killed his victims. Maybe there are some in the walls, concrete, etc.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Here is why I don't believe that the dismembered bodies are the work of Heuermann.

1. If you get your rocks off by dismembering bodies, you pull a Black Dahlia. There is absolutely no need to take a body apart and scatter it in several different places...other than to try to hamper LE from identifying the victim.

2. Heuermann didn't know these women. There was nothing to connect him to them other than their clandestine business meetings. No real names are used, no real phones are used, no addresses are shared on the customer's end. John's are ghosts, even if they are regulars (which I believe Heuermann was ).

3. Jessica Taylor's tattoo was cut up in an effort to make it unrecognizable. Tattoo's are often used by pimps as a branding technique. Remi is a real person. Heuermann wouldn't go to the bother of trying to remove a tattoo with another man's name on it, imo.

4. Peaches. Ever wonder why her child was located to far away from Peaches mutilated body ? For the exact same reason you cut off a head, or hands, or feet and scatter them to the four corners. All these things can lead to the identity of the victim.

5. Heuermann lived in a home with 3 other family members. He had neighbors close by. Dismemberment is a messy business...I don't care how long your wife is on vacation, you don't create that kind of mess in a home where anyone might see something you missed. Hotel ? Highly unlikey ? Vehicle ? Definitely not.

Could I be wrong ? Sure. But I am also reminded of the dead dogs and dead chickens found nearby in Manorville. What do gang members make money on ? Dog fighting, rooster fighting, prostitutes and drugs.

MOO, of course.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Yeah, no it's ok for prosecution to do this. The defense is just going through the motions, hoping to establish some pretense for later appeal, JMO/IANAL.

Yes, surely both sides are aware of the magnitude of this case. It will be studied and debated for years with every action examined under a microscope. Naturally, they want to do exemplary jobs.

 

[margarita25]

Here is why I don't believe that the dismembered bodies are the work of Heuermann.

1. If you get your rocks off by dismembering bodies, you pull a Black Dahlia. There is absolutely no need to take a body apart and scatter it in several different places...other than to try to hamper LE from identifying the victim.

2. Heuermann didn't know these women. There was nothing to connect him to them other than their clandestine business meetings. No real names are used, no real phones are used, no addresses are shared on the customer's end. John's are ghosts, even if they are regulars (which I believe Heuermann was ).

3. Jessica Taylor's tattoo was cut up in an effort to make it unrecognizable. Tattoo's are often used by pimps as a branding technique. Remi is a real person. Heuermann wouldn't go to the bother of trying to remove a tattoo with another man's name on it, imo.

4. Peaches. Ever wonder why her child was located to far away from Peaches mutilated body ? For the exact same reason you cut off a head, or hands, or feet and scatter them to the four corners. All these things can lead to the identity of the victim.

5. Heuermann lived in a home with 3 other family members. He had neighbors close by. Dismemberment is a messy business...I don't care how long your wife is on vacation, you don't create that kind of mess in a home where anyone might see something you missed. Hotel ? Highly unlikey ? Vehicle ? Definitely not.

Could I be wrong ? Sure. But I am also reminded of the dead dogs and dead chickens found nearby in Manorville. What do gang members make money on ? Dog fighting, rooster fighting, prostitutes and drugs.

MOO, of course.

Hey MK!

I just wanted to say I was watching The Killing Season again and was stoked when I kept seeing your name on the WS footage which I kept hitting pause on to see the posts.

Which reminds me, on Ep 1 of TKS... there was some discussion in here a while back about Amber’s roommate and the vehicle description. Just noting he said he wished he had gotten a better look, gone an extra “ten feet” iirc, and seen the “license plate”. I was a little confused because I recalled him saying he wished he had gotten a better look, so was wondering exactly how that went along with the vehicle description he had given. There was also a post upstream mentioning that there were two nights in question.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Agree. It’s almost impossible to argue against DNA results except to claim failure to comply with proper procedures. Silly thought I know but hope we don’t discover sometime in the future DNA is not reliable as the woman who claimed development of a single blood test for medical diagnosis in illnesses- she’s now behind bars for her fraud.

DNA is in its infancy. Who knows how everything will shake out. People now like to say "DNA doesn't lie." My thought on this is that DNA doesn't lie. However, DNA can be misinterpreted. We need to be careful with what the evidence is really saying.

 

[margarita25]

IMO, Rex didn't kill Shannan, however I do feel someone within the confines of Oak Beach did. It is a gated community, so unless Rex was an invited guest of someone living there, he couldn't have gotten past the gate to drive in to stalk her.

For discussion purposes, he could have gone along the water right? Not saying I think this is the case, just sayin...the whole duck hunting thing, duck hunting camouflage burlap, AND didn’t he ask/tell one of this escorts (or coworker) while talking about LISK, that going along the water would be a likely method of the killer?

Which reminds me, also on The Killing Season, (which have Josh and Rachel been in here yet? Would love to hear from them, note to find their handles and tag in here if not), they show them looking at a forum showing something about duck hunting. I was curious about this, note to go back and watch again. Interesting that was in there, and the burlap turned out to be duck hunting burlap. That poor nursery owner, he really got hammered over the burlap.

 

[Ruminations]

Here is why I don't believe that the dismembered bodies are the work of Heuermann.

1. If you get your rocks off by dismembering bodies, you pull a Black Dahlia. There is absolutely no need to take a body apart and scatter it in several different places...other than to try to hamper LE from identifying the victim.

2. Heuermann didn't know these women. There was nothing to connect him to them other than their clandestine business meetings. No real names are used, no real phones are used, no addresses are shared on the customer's end. John's are ghosts, even if they are regulars (which I believe Heuermann was ).

3. Jessica Taylor's tattoo was cut up in an effort to make it unrecognizable. Tattoo's are often used by pimps as a branding technique. Remi is a real person. Heuermann wouldn't go to the bother of trying to remove a tattoo with another man's name on it, imo.

4. Peaches. Ever wonder why her child was located to far away from Peaches mutilated body ? For the exact same reason you cut off a head, or hands, or feet and scatter them to the four corners. All these things can lead to the identity of the victim.

5. Heuermann lived in a home with 3 other family members. He had neighbors close by. Dismemberment is a messy business...I don't care how long your wife is on vacation, you don't create that kind of mess in a home where anyone might see something you missed. Hotel ? Highly unlikey ? Vehicle ? Definitely not.

Could I be wrong ? Sure. But I am also reminded of the dead dogs and dead chickens found nearby in Manorville. What do gang members make money on ? Dog fighting, rooster fighting, prostitutes and drugs.

MOO, of course.

I'm looking forward to the evidence coming out.

I used to be firmly in the Manorville Butcher being different from LISK, and in Shannan's murder being very related to the GB4.

Now, I feel the opposite- connecting the dismembered bodies to GB4 and thinking Shannan was a separate crime.

The most recent datum steering me to connect the dismembered victims is that swift ID progress seemed to be made while Heuermann was under investigation.

I reserve the right to change my mind back!

MOO

 

[margarita25]

Has anyone noticed someone who had been posting here that no longer is posting? People have always suspected that the guilty party(ies) would interact online in these forums. I am wondering if there is someone who was suddenly no longer active once RH was taken into custody. I wonder if the admins have any thoughts?? I'd be curious to go back and read their old posts, if so.

This was actually why I asked earlier if there were any of his writing samples. What’d ya think I’ve been doing all day LOL.

IMO, considering what all we know, I think chances are VERY HIGH he has posted in here.

 

[SonsOfCain]

Gonna be so difficult to find that place now, it might have been demolished in the interim but I imagine he has another stashed away.

He had no good reason to stop.

Where is it and how can it be found?
This guy would have had access to all kinds of places because of his work.
It could be a building connected to a building he surveyed...
where is the thing??

Do we know or are there records of if they ever did work for some of the stuff in the Massapequa Park Preserve? I was googling it just now because I am trying to compare and contrast it with where the G4 were found. I stumbled across this pic that is somewhere in the preserve. Anyone know if this is a restroom or just an abandoned structure?

 

[SonsOfCain]

Gonna be so difficult to find that place now, it might have been demolished in the interim but I imagine he has another stashed away.

He had no good reason to stop.

Where is it and how can it be found?
This guy would have had access to all kinds of places because of his work.
It could be a building connected to a building he surveyed...
where is the thing??

I wonder if there are any buildings his company started working on, but then never finished or abandoned the site?

 

[SonsOfCain]

I'm looking forward to the evidence coming out.

I used to be firmly in the Manorville Butcher being different from LISK, and in Shannan's murder being very related to the GB4.

Now, I feel the opposite- connecting the dismembered bodies to GB4 and thinking Shannan was a separate crime.

The most recent datum steering me to connect the dismembered victims is that swift ID progress seemed to be made while Heuermann was under investigation.

I reserve the right to change my mind back!

MOO

I’m still a little on the fence, but the more that goes on and comes out with this case the more I’m leaning toward him committing at least a couple of the other murders. Karen Vergata, Valerie Mack, and Jessica Taylor are the ones I mainly think could very well be him. The user who made the point of the tattoo being cut off had a good point. Some pimps and even gang members do the same thing. However, Khalil White (Jessica Taylor’s alleged pimp) was the one who called police to report her missing. If I was a pimp, I wouldn’t report my victim missing to the cops. She was also last seen in the Port Authority terminal which was where a few of the other women were last seen if I remember correctly.

 

[investigatefred]

Perhaps I missed this early on after his arrest, but does anyone recall seeing anywhere else the burlap referred to as a "burlap restraint"??

Snipped & BBM from the attached article-

"Using advanced DNA testing not available early in the case, authorities also reexamined hairs found on a belt buckle, duct tape and a burlap restraint used in the killings."

A new look at an old clue helps investigators arrest the man accused of Gilgo Beach murders

“We’re going to continue to work, investigate, and try to get a small measure of closure for all the victims' families,” Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney said.

www.kcra.com

I wonder if there are any buildings his company started working on, but then never finished or abandoned the site?

Below is snipped from the same article as linked above-

"In 2007, the city’s Department of Buildings audited multiple jobs involving Heuermann after an allegation that he falsely said a seven-story building was vacant when it was set to be renovated. The audits didn’t find any pattern of false filings or significant disregard for city regulations, and no disciplinary actions were taken, according to the department."

 

[jessr927]

Just sat up in bed wondering this. Approximately when the murders began, is when RH's daughter would have been turning around 13, right? Could that have been a trigger? We know from his search history what age girls he looks for. He also chooses petite size women, perhaps for that reason. I was reading about the Tiffany Dixon case from Brooklyn being possibly looked at as connected to RH earlier, she was a teenager as well, that's what put the thought in my head. It was an article on PIX11.

 

[margarita25]

Just sat up in bed wondering this. Approximately when the murders began, is when RH's daughter would have been turning around 13, right? Could that have been a trigger? We know from his search history what age girls he looks for. He also chooses petite size women, perhaps for that reason. I was reading about the Tiffany Dixon case from Brooklyn being possibly looked at as connected to RH earlier, she was a teenager as well, that's what put the thought in my head. It was an article on PIX11.

I wonder if he acted out at daughter’s slumber parties or child/teen outings/get-togethers, in other words daughter’s friends. I’ve seen that before.

I think it’s likely he would have acted upon his CSAM fantasies with children to whom he had access, perhaps similar to his MO of targeting “easier” victims- basically ones that are directly available to him, as opposed to say abductions off a playground or school path, but this does not mean I don’t think it’s possible he abducted kids because it is DEFINITELY possible, I’m just saying his MO with sex workers indicates targeting easy prey, ones less likely to be missed. Kids can be considered easier prey, of course, we saw ARS go after an adult jogger who fought back and escaped, then abduct and kill 10-year-old Jessica Ridgeway, perhaps because she was an easier victim. I guess what I’m saying is maybe he had a more sly approach to getting his child victims. Not explaining myself well. Basically ones that were very easily accessible to him, somehow similar to his MO of targeting sex workers.

Of course I’ve seen killers that have operated with various MOs. Travis Forbes for example.

Anything and everything is possible with this guy.

 

[kittythehare]

I wonder if there are any buildings his company started working on, but then never finished or abandoned the site?

Sounds like a good place to start looking.
I wonder whether there are any public records available that we can search through?
Also need a list of all his clients for the 2 yrs prior to the killings and every year since, details of the work he assessed and the places he visited including outdoor buildings, condemned buildings and date of condemnation and with dates of destruction..

C'mon sleuths!
Help us out here!
Where will we start?
Let's do this!

 

[kittythehare]

I’m still a little on the fence, but the more that goes on and comes out with this case the more I’m leaning toward him committing at least a couple of the other murders. Karen Vergata, Valerie Mack, and Jessica Taylor are the ones I mainly think could very well be him. The user who made the point of the tattoo being cut off had a good point. Some pimps and even gang members do the same thing. However, Khalil White (Jessica Taylor’s alleged pimp) was the one who called police to report her missing. If I was a pimp, I wouldn’t report my victim missing to the cops. She was also last seen in the Port Authority terminal which was where a few of the other women were last seen if I remember correctly.

Good thinking!

 

[kittythehare]

When exactly did RH’s work website go down, do you guys know? Just curious. Tia.

https://rh-architecture.com/about

Wayback machine