Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #9

[Betty P]

Yes, like I said, all those involved that are charged with a crime, as in your example. Arrests and court filings are public records that don't need to be "revealed".
Not the same as wanting "all parties involved names to be revealed, regardless of who they are" when that could mean a lot of things.
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I’m not sure what the disagreement is here. When people are involved in the commission of a crime, especially a serious one like murder, we expect them to be held accountable.

That’s the way the criminal justice system is supposed to work.

 

[madamx]

I don't see this negating the work currently being done by the task force or impacting the stated commitments (by the county executive and DA) to continue the investigation of any new information and other unsolved/uncharged cases.

Right now, since 4 murders have been attributed to RH and 3 murder charges are already in court, no "tips" are needed to solve those murders.

Attorney Ray may not be satisfied with assurances that everything will be looked at, he also might not be satisfied with the possibility that his information is not pertinent to the murders or isn't evidence for a separate crime.

He certainly would know that a witness to an upset person, possibly assaulted, the claims about RH's wife and being at a swinger party, is not going to result in any legal action without identified cooperative witnesses and an actual crime being committed. I don't know what the public would like to see done at this point, we can't be advised of the status of the investigation into Ray's allegations.

Iam a bit confused with your “tips” statement?
I was under the impression more is better, especially in a case where nobody saw him killing the women or dumping them. I personally think the “tips” should keep coming. You never know how good a “tip” can end up being even after the person has been arrested. Hopefully they will investigate all “tips” that come in.

 

[Betty P]

Iam a bit confused with your “tips” statement?
I was under the impression more is better, especially in a case where nobody saw him killing the women or dumping them. I personally think the “tips” should keep coming. You never know how good a “tip” can end up being even after the person has been arrested. Hopefully they will investigate all “tips” that come in.

Tips are very important for all the LISK cases. Those cases were cold for so many years. Only recently has Rex been arrested and his image shared publicly. It stands to reason, many people will recognize him from incidents that happened a dozen or more years ago, when he’s alleged to have been stalking and murdering women. IOW, they can now put a name to the face.

Because the victims were sex workers, some SW who may have encountered Rex H back then will also recognize him. They also may recognize him, but need a safe way to work with LE. Their witness testimony is very important, even if it’s coming in a dozen years or so after the fact.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Tips are very important for all the LISK cases. Those cases were cold for so many years. Only recently has Rex been arrested and his image shared publicly. It stands to reason, many people will recognize him from incidents that happened a dozen or more years ago, when he’s alleged to have been stalking and murdering women. IOW, they can now put a name to the face.

Because the victims were sex workers, some SW who may have encountered Rex H back then will also recognize him. They also may recognize him, but need a safe way to work with LE. Their witness testimony is very important, even if it’s coming in a dozen years or so after the fact.

Re: Swinger’s affidavit
Has the name of her boyfriend/swing partner been given to law enforcement. It’s clear from her statement that this man knew RH, knew what was going on and was part of the network of predators. Looks like he is more complicit or witness than the woman in house. It says JR knows who it is, but isn’t clear about if this TIP was given to LE.

 

[Ruminations]

Re: Swinger’s affidavit
Has the name of her boyfriend/swing partner been given to law enforcement. It’s clear from her statement that this man knew RH, knew what was going on and was part of the network of predators. Looks like he is more complicit or witness than the woman in house. It says JR knows who it is, but isn’t clear about if this TIP was given to LE.

Yes, the identity of the swinger's detective bf is known to John Ray, Rodney Harrison and presumably the task force. This was made clear by John Ray and Rodney Harrison.

He was given initials as a name to use in the narrative, but it was implied they are not his real initials.

MOO

 

[Betty P]

Re: Swinger’s affidavit
Has the name of her boyfriend/swing partner been given to law enforcement. It’s clear from her statement that this man knew RH, knew what was going on and was part of the network of predators. Looks like he is more complicit or witness than the woman in house. It says JR knows who it is, but isn’t clear about if this TIP was given to LE.

Yes, assume this information was given to LE. Pretty sure the person who submitted the tip has been interviewed. Its LEs responsibility to interview the witness and ask for that information. It’s part of the process.

 

[Ruminations]

I'm pretty sure investigating all parties involved is standard operating procedure for murder investigations. Officers, detectives, etc. talk to anyone and everyone who might have information. They go where the evidence and witnesses lead them.

For example, if a gang of thugs kills someone in the course of robbing them, the police don't stop with arresting the first gang member they can make a case against. Same goes for organized crime, etc. Just examples.

Here's a random example I just pulled up from the search "three men arrested for murder of". You could do the same using two or four, etc.

Three men arrested for open murder in deadly 2022 Sparks shooting

Three suspects are behind bars for their alleged involvement in a deadly shooting in Sparks in late 2022.Marc Delgado, 21, and Juan Anguiano, 19, and Raul Torre

mynews4.com

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I agree.

And wish to add, if this evidence pans out as useful, it might not be useful by finding more of Rex's "gang." He could have coconspirators, but even if he doesn't, we need this evidence.

it seems quite plausible that in the end, the GB4 were murdered by just one person, the current suspect and defendant.

But is does not seem plausible to me that Shannan was murdered by just one person. Whoever her murderer(s) are, they very well could all NOT be Rex Heuermann. We could be talking about leaving other murderers, potentially serial murderers, free, by ignoring tips.

The information offered by the witnesses COULD have been information that described events leading to Karen Vergata's murder, and if they do, it certainly sounds like RH was part of it in some way. But it also could have "just" been a terrifying abusive episode Karen was subjected to, which for its depravity, is on a whole other level than murder. If that is what it was, than this tip could still help lead the way to new witnesses and clues to identify new murderers for additional victims.

One of the longest running debated theories of LISK has been how many murders are we talking about. IMO the public ally available information supports many of the theories, and none of them can claim to be definitive. But here is our chance for some real answers to that question. Thanks to the task force, and thanks to these witnesses, we have a name for Karen, and very useful information about her and Shannan Gilbert.

Both Karen and Shannan have been linked to RH in these witness accounts, but clearly not on the day of the murder for Shannan, and possibly not for Karen. The evidence has to be followed. These tips might not find coconspirators of RH, they might find entirely new murderers.

MOO

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Iam a bit confused with your “tips” statement?
I was under the impression more is better, especially in a case where nobody saw him killing the women or dumping them. I personally think the “tips” should keep coming. You never know how good a “tip” can end up being even after the person has been arrested. Hopefully they will investigate all “tips” that come in.

This is what I said:
"Right now, since 4 murders have been attributed to RH and 3 murder charges are already in court, no
tips are needed to solve those murders."

Tips led to the identification of RH as a person of interest, the DNA resulted in those murders being solved.
New or old information might lead to suspects in other murders, new information is not needed to identify RH or to get him charged (in 3 murders).


My comment was part of a longer conversation about the investigation of tips and possibly solving murders.
I am not saying that "tips" shouldn't be reported and investigated, as I have stated a number of times.
I am certainly not suggesting actual witnesses shouldn't come forward even for those specific cases that are already in court although I'm convinced that the existing evidence will result in a conviction.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

I’m not sure what the disagreement is here. When people are involved in the commission of a crime, especially a serious one like murder, we expect them to be held accountable.

That’s the way the criminal justice system is supposed to work.

I don't know if there is a disagreement. I'm not sure you see the difference in your original statement and my response.

You said
"All of the deaths need to be fully investigated and all parties involved should be revealed, regardless of who they are."

And I said that all the deaths need to be fully investigated and anyone charged with a crime would be made public.

Since arrests and court filings are public records, it doesn't matter who they are and it can't not be revealed.
"All parties involved" sounds subjective to me, who is deciding that and if there is no crime charged, then a public claim that a person is "involved" is revealed by who?
BBM

 

[waldojabba]

Re: Swinger’s affidavit
Has the name of her boyfriend/swing partner been given to law enforcement. It’s clear from her statement that this man knew RH, knew what was going on and was part of the network of predators. Looks like he is more complicit or witness than the woman in house. It says JR knows who it is, but isn’t clear about if this TIP was given to LE.

In an interview with Rodney Harrison done with Joe G after the presser with JRay Rodney seemed to indicate that he knew who the LE guy was referenced in the affidavit. No further mention was made as to where that info came from. JMO

 

[Betty P]

Since arrests and court filings are public records, it doesn't matter who they are and it can't not be revealed.
"All parties involved" sounds subjective to me, who is deciding that and if there is no crime charged, then a public claim that a person is "involved" is revealed by who?

It will be up to the DA or a Grand Jury to decide whether to charge someone who might also be involved. Investigation, witnesses and evidence help make that decision, just as they do for any other crime such as these. Grand Jury testimony can't be revealed if no charges are brought against someone, or at least that's the way it works in most states.

Witness affidavits and tips are important to solving crimes. It's up to LE to investigate them.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

It will be up to the DA or a Grand Jury to decide whether to charge someone who might also be involved. Investigation, witnesses and evidence help make that decision, just as they do for any other crime such as these. Grand Jury testimony can't be revealed if no charges are brought against someone, or at least that's the way it works in most states.

Witness affidavits and tips are important to solving crimes. It's up to LE to investigate them.

In regards to what is found in the continuing investigation, I've repeatedly said that only arrested/charged persons would have their names made public so I don't know why you're explaining the same thing to me. I am also stating that only arrested/charged persons should have their names made public, which is not the same as "all parties involved, regardless of who they are".

If your original post is asking for only arrested/charged to be named, please disregard my posts.

You said
"All of the deaths need to be fully investigated and all parties involved should be revealed, regardless of who they are."

 

[dotr]

Clip at link.

Rex Heuermann’s Neighbor Tells “Dateline” He “Immediately” Had A Bad Feeling About Him

Jimmy Mack, Rex Heuermann’s former neighbor, speaks with Andrea Canning in his first TV interview about “immediately” having a bad feeling about Heuermann. More this Friday at 9/8c.

www.nbcnews.com

''Jimmy Mack, Rex Heuermann’s former neighbor, speaks with Andrea Canning in his first TV interview about “immediately” having a bad feeling about Heuermann. More this Friday at 9/8c.Nov. 7, 2023''

 

[sds71]

The special also examines the death of Shannan Gilbert, whose remains were found on Gilgo Beach in December 2011. Speaking out for the first time since Heuermann’s arrest, Shannan’s sister calls for Suffolk County Police Department to reopen her sister’s case: “I want them to really give it a fresh set of eyes…I want them to be extremely transparent about the investigation. I just want answers.” Heuermann has not been charged in connection with Shannan’s case. Click here to watch the exchange. Transcript below.

ALL-NEW FRIDAY "DATELINE NBC" INVESTIGATES THE GILGO BEACH MURDERS - NBC News Press Releases

Special Features Insiders in Case Speaking Out, Including Former Colleagues & Neighbors of Alleged Killer PLUS: Family of Shannan Gilbert, Whose Remains Were Found on Gilgo Beach, Call For Her Case to Be Reopened ‘The Hunt for the Gilgo Beach Killer’ Airs Friday at 9 pm ET/8pm CT, Click Here...

press.nbcnews.com

 

[Betty P]

Sources: Estranged wife of Gilgo Beach murder suspect working with streaming service

A significant amount of people were seen at the Heuermann home on Thursday speaking with the family, carrying lighting and transporting family members to and from another house located about two blocks away.

longisland.news12.com

 

[Betty P]

But is does not seem plausible to me that Shannan was murdered by just one person. Whoever her murderer(s) are, they very well could all NOT be Rex Heuermann. We could be talking about leaving other murderers, potentially serial murderers, free, by ignoring tips.

JMO, this is an important point that needs to be emphasized. There were many victims found out on Long Island. So far, only 3 and possibly a 4th are tied to Rex H. While he may be linked to some of the other victims, its also very possible that there was another killer out there who targeted SW.

The LISK Task Force is still taking and investigating tips because they don't know if Heuermann was the only killer. There may be another killer out there. They need to gather and review all relevant information. There are a lot of people living on Long Island.

 

[Betty P]

The special also examines the death of Shannan Gilbert, whose remains were found on Gilgo Beach in December 2011. Speaking out for the first time since Heuermann’s arrest, Shannan’s sister calls for Suffolk County Police Department to reopen her sister’s case: “I want them to really give it a fresh set of eyes…I want them to be extremely transparent about the investigation. I just want answers.” Heuermann has not been charged in connection with Shannan’s case. Click here to watch the exchange. Transcript below.

ALL-NEW FRIDAY "DATELINE NBC" INVESTIGATES THE GILGO BEACH MURDERS - NBC News Press Releases

Special Features Insiders in Case Speaking Out, Including Former Colleagues & Neighbors of Alleged Killer PLUS: Family of Shannan Gilbert, Whose Remains Were Found on Gilgo Beach, Call For Her Case to Be Reopened ‘The Hunt for the Gilgo Beach Killer’ Airs Friday at 9 pm ET/8pm CT, Click Here...

press.nbcnews.com

This special is asking some very good questions: What was Rex Heuermann doing all the time since the bodies were discovered? What was the trap he was setting to lure these women in? How did he choose his victims? It also sounds like they're going to talk more about the tips the victims' friends sent in to LE.

Also great that they feature Shannan Gilbert's sister to talk about the investigation into her death.

 

[sds71]

Estranged wife of Gilgo Beach murder suspect working with streaming service News 12 can confirm through multiple sources that Asa Ellerup, the estranged wife of Gilgo suspect Rex Heuermann, is working with a major streaming service.A significant amount of people were seen at the Heuermann home on Thursday speaking with the family, carrying lighting and transporting family members to and from another house located about two blocks away.

https://longisland.news12.com/sources-estranged-wife-of-gilgo-beach-murder-suspect-rex-heuermann-visits-him-in-jail

 

[Just K]

Estranged wife of Gilgo Beach murder suspect working with streaming service News 12 can confirm through multiple sources that Asa Ellerup, the estranged wife of Gilgo suspect Rex Heuermann, is working with a major streaming service.A significant amount of people were seen at the Heuermann home on Thursday speaking with the family, carrying lighting and transporting family members to and from another house located about two blocks away.

https://longisland.news12.com/sources-estranged-wife-of-gilgo-beach-murder-suspect-rex-heuermann-visits-him-in-jail

Both of these developments might prove tobe quite revealing.

 

[Ruminations]

Both of these developments might prove tobe quite revealing.

ugh. Why doesn't she go to LE with whatever this is, or John Ray if she doesn't trust them.

MOO