Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #9

[dotr]

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann’s colleagues reveal what it was like working with alleged serial killer: ‘Wasn’t easy at all’

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann’s former colleagues are opening up about the accused serial predator.

nypost.com

Nov 9 2023
''Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann’s former co-workers claim he was so “aggressive,” they didn’t want to be in the same room.

“He was very assertive, maybe even leaning to the point of being aggressive,” luxury real estate salesman Jeffrey St. Arromand said of the hulking architect.

He described his first impressions of Heuermann, 59, to Andrea Canning of “Dateline” in a clip of Friday’s episode exclusively shared with The Post.''

''Another person involved in the project was so troubled by Heuermann, “she just didn’t feel comfortable with him at all,” St. Arromand explained.

“She was like, ‘I do not wanna be in the office when he comes and pick up the check,’” he recalled.''

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Both of these developments might prove tobe quite revealing.

Unfortunately, working with a streaming service could be lucrative. I hope that isn't what is going on here.

 

[Betty P]

ugh. Why doesn't she go to LE with whatever this is, or John Ray if she doesn't trust them.

MOO

It's possible she has. They wouldn't make that public, now that Rex H has been arrested and charged. Let's hope she has information she wants to share.

 

[FromGermany1]

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann’s colleagues reveal what it was like working with alleged serial killer: ‘Wasn’t easy at all’

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann’s former colleagues are opening up about the accused serial predator.

nypost.com

Nov 9 2023
''Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann’s former co-workers claim he was so “aggressive,” they didn’t want to be in the same room.

“He was very assertive, maybe even leaning to the point of being aggressive,” luxury real estate salesman Jeffrey St. Arromand said of the hulking architect.

He described his first impressions of Heuermann, 59, to Andrea Canning of “Dateline” in a clip of Friday’s episode exclusively shared with The Post.''

''Another person involved in the project was so troubled by Heuermann, “she just didn’t feel comfortable with him at all,” St. Arromand explained.

“She was like, ‘I do not wanna be in the office when he comes and pick up the check,’” he recalled.''

<modsnip: not victim friendly>
The compassionate neighbor was right, when the daughter got her driver license and the neighbor thought: Drive away, poor girl, and never come back to that home!
Home or business - equally toxic, probably.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Possible gun charges coming
jmo

ETA: In this same video JR states that more affidavits and evidence has come in since his presser with Commissioner RH (at 4:25)

 

[Justice101]

Sorry, just asking if they have tied any of the other murders to RH other than the 3?

 

[Ruminations]

Sorry, just asking if they have tied any of the other murders to RH other than the 3?

Maybe. No new information is released, but no changes have been made to Rex' being the prime suspect in the 4th GB4.

There is more promising information to investigate that MIGHT tie Heuermann to Karen Vergata and/or Shannan Gilbert.

The information makes it seem extremely unlikely that he never encountered either of the women, although murder is a whole new thing. While it is reasonable to take the information and speculate that he will become a suspect, it is also a fact that the information when investigated may not lead to Rex. The new evidence could help find witnesses and get new information, leading to entirely different murderers.

Whether the information ties him to their murders remains to be seen. But the information does give hope that their murder investigations can move forward.

MOO

 

[Betty P]

Maybe. No new information is released, but no changes have been made to Rex' being the prime suspect in the 4th GB4.

There is more promising information to investigate that MIGHT tie Heuermann to Karen Vergata and/or Shannan Gilbert.

The information makes it seem extremely unlikely that he never encountered either of the women, although murder is a whole new thing. While it is reasonable to take the information and speculate that he will become a suspect, it is also a fact that the information when investigated may not lead to Rex. The new evidence could help find witnesses and get new information, leading to entirely different murderers.

Whether the information ties him to their murders remains to be seen. But the information does give hope that their murder investigations can move forward.

MOO

Right. More will be learned when they finally identify the other victims. Not all of the victims had the testing and genetic genealogy work done yet to determine who they are. Like the other victims, once they know identities, they can investigate, where they lived, find witnesses who saw them last, etc.

Here's another good article about whether there are connections between Rex and victims who had body parts in both locations, as well as the one linked to Fire Island.

Rex Heuermann’s peculiar connection to ‘Manorville Butcher’ and victims’ scattered body parts

Four of the victims – known as the “Gilgo Beach 4” – have been connected to Heuermann, who is believed to be “LISK,” short for Long Island Serial Killer.

nypost.com

Who are the victims known as the 'Gilgo Four?' | Investigation timeline

The four victims were found within a quarter mile of one another.

abc7ny.com

It will be interesting to see if they can make a connection to Rex and victims whose body parts were found at both Gilgo Beach and Manorville. So far, AFAIK, that connection hasn't been made to him. That's such a puzzling part of these murders - the victims whose remains were found at GB and Manorville. Who did that and why?

ETA:
Jessica Taylor, one of victims whose remains were found at Manorville & Gilgo Beach was wrapped in burlap.

Jessica Taylor, First Gilgo Beach Serial Killer Victim To Be Identified, Was Found 20 Years Ago Wednesday

Twenty years ago on the morning of July 26, 2003, a woman walking her dog along secluded Halsey Manor Road in Manorville discovered a body that was later identified as that of Jessica Taylor. Eight years later, her additional remains were found 50 miles away on the side of Ocean Parkway.

www.longislandpress.com

Valerie Mack was the other victim whose death looked similar to Rex H's work. TBH, though, LE said serial killer Bitrolff was also a hunter. IIRC, I don't think he wrapped his victims in burlap, though. He posed them in sexual positions and they had one shoe removed. See link below.

2 other Gilgo Beach victims were tied up like a ‘hunter’ did it: investigator

MANORVILLE, Long Island (PIX11) — Wednesday marked 20 years since the headless and handless body of Jessica Taylor, a 20-year-old escort working out of New York City, was discovered in the wo…

pix11.com

 

[Betty P]

Possible gun charges coming
jmo

ETA: In this same video JR states that more affidavits and evidence has come in since his presser with Commissioner RH (at 4:25)

JR mentioned the new witness info in his talk on a recent podcast. It sounds like another person contacted him.

Sure, no reason why Rex shouldn't face gun charges, too.

 

[madamx]

RH has been linked to Waterman’s body through a hair found on her that was his. 3 hairs were supposedly found on her remains, another of which is linked to Asa. According to what I have heard the other 2 remains RH has been charged with each had a hair of Asa’s on them, not his. When and how did they obtain Asa’s DNA……. RH’s was obtained from the pizza box but what about Asa? Was it before Rex was arrested or after ? All that has been said is she is a victim, and was away each time Rex acted. Her lawyer has instructed her not to talk.
I ask because I watched the Court TV piece and am having a tough time buying into the whole story as presented. It was more like a made for TV , over dramatized , 3 ring circus. Her lawyer tells her not to talk , yet here she is ? The program made a big deal about his guns , yet he has only been accused of waving around a pistol, none of the victims were shot, they were supposedly strangled. There is a lot missing that obviously we aren’t privy too, but it seems that with each press conference, TV show, etc there are more questions raised than settled. How in the world can anyone say that the first 3 murders are solved and tips are not needed for those 3 cases? The more we hear the more convoluted the cases get! JMO

 

[Betty P]

RH has been linked to Waterman’s body through a hair found on her that was his. 3 hairs were supposedly found on her remains, another of which is linked to Asa. According to what I have heard the other 2 remains RH has been charged with each had a hair of Asa’s on them, not his. When and how did they obtain Asa’s DNA……. RH’s was obtained from the pizza box but what about Asa? Was it before Rex was arrested or after ? All that has been said is she is a victim, and was away each time Rex acted. Her lawyer has instructed her not to talk.
I ask because I watched the Court TV piece and am having a tough time buying into the whole story as presented. It was more like a made for TV , over dramatized , 3 ring circus. Her lawyer tells her not to talk , yet here she is ? The program made a big deal about his guns , yet he has only been accused of waving around a pistol, none of the victims were shot, they were supposedly strangled. There is a lot missing that obviously we aren’t privy too, but it seems that with each press conference, TV show, etc there are more questions raised than settled. How in the world can anyone say that the first 3 murders are solved and tips are not needed for those 3 cases? The more we hear the more convoluted the cases get! JMO

True, a lot more investigation needs to be done on the other victims. The case for the victims Rex is charged with killing is pretty good, though more information is always helpful. Rex is also tied to these victims by digital data from his computer and all his burner cell phones. He used a different burner phone to contact each victim. LE traced his calls to those victims and his movements to the times these women were killed. The DNA reinforces the connection. There's also the physical description of Rex and his green Avalanche, witnessed by Dave Schaller, a roommate of one of the victims, Amber Costello. He heard her having multiple conversations with the customer, then saw her leave the house and meet the customer down the street.

Dave Schaller came face to face with alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann; 12 years later, his tip helped crack the case

As police comb through the home of a man charged in a string of serial killings in New York, one witness is frustrated it took so long to solve the crime.

www.cbsnews.com

Dave gave the description of the john and his truck to detectives in 2010, just after Amber went missing.

Investigators were also able to triangulate phone records for calls made from the killer to victims (before the murders) and their family members (after the murders). They determined it was someone who likely worked in a certain area of Manhattan and lived in a general area that included Massapequa Park. When they rediscovered the physical description of Rex and his green Chevy Avalanche, they did a search and found his name in the BMV records.

Here's another link that ties it together

"Avalanche" of evidence: How a Chevy, a strand of hair and a pizza box led police to the Gilgo Beach suspect

Investigators re-examined old clues that led to the suspect and developed new evidence to close in on him after so many years, say prosecutors.

www.cbsnews.com

Rex's wife's hair was matched to hairs found on 2 victims by removing trash from outside the Heuermann home and analyzing the contents

In July 2022, 11 bottles were collected from a trash can outside of the Heuermann home and sent for mitochondrial DNA testing. DNA profiles generated from the bottles were tested against previously tested hair samples recovered on the remains of Megan Waterman and Amber Costello. Results found that Heuermann's wife could not be excluded from either of the female hairs recovered on the remains of Waterman and Costello. The hair was believed to have been transferred from her husband's clothing. Heuermann's wife was out-of-state at the time of each of the murders, according to the court filing. She has not been charged.

 

[Ruminations]

RH has been linked to Waterman’s body through a hair found on her that was his. 3 hairs were supposedly found on her remains, another of which is linked to Asa. According to what I have heard the other 2 remains RH has been charged with each had a hair of Asa’s on them, not his. When and how did they obtain Asa’s DNA……. RH’s was obtained from the pizza box but what about Asa? Was it before Rex was arrested or after ? All that has been said is she is a victim, and was away each time Rex acted. Her lawyer has instructed her not to talk.
I ask because I watched the Court TV piece and am having a tough time buying into the whole story as presented. It was more like a made for TV , over dramatized , 3 ring circus. Her lawyer tells her not to talk , yet here she is ? The program made a big deal about his guns , yet he has only been accused of waving around a pistol, none of the victims were shot, they were supposedly strangled. There is a lot missing that obviously we aren’t privy too, but it seems that with each press conference, TV show, etc there are more questions raised than settled. How in the world can anyone say that the first 3 murders are solved and tips are not needed for those 3 cases? The more we hear the more convoluted the cases get! JMO

Wait, are you talking about the show filmed in Asa's house? That's out?

I understand that LE got Asa's abandoned DNA samples from the recycles left out on the curb. Which is interesting. It takes an effort for a HH member to have NO interaction at all with the family's recycles. Was he consciously NOT throwing out his spit? They had to grab that in Manhattan.

MOO

 

[Inthedetails]

Wait, are you talking about the show filmed in Asa's house? That's out?

I understand that LE got Asa's abandoned DNA samples from the recycles left out on the curb. Which is interesting. It takes an effort for a HH member to have NO interaction at all with the family's recycles. Was he consciously NOT throwing out his spit? They had to grab that in Manhattan.

MOO

My hunch is they knew another male was in the household so were making sure to isolate Rex' DNA. I don't know that as fact, just guessing. LE visually confirmed it was Rex who threw away the pizza.

jmo

 

[Forest_Wood]

Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann's wife visits

The wife of alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann will attend court to see for herself if there is evidence he committed the atrocities he is accused of.

www.dailymail.co.uk

AE wants to attend the trial to see for herself if he did it.

I guess she still has doubts IMO.

'Certainly, not what John Ray is saying, she wants to hear and see for herself what is presented in court,' Macedonia added in reference to John Ray who is a lawyer for the families of two women found dead on the east New York peninsula.

 

[Ruminations]

Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann's wife visits

The wife of alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann will attend court to see for herself if there is evidence he committed the atrocities he is accused of.

www.dailymail.co.uk

AE wants to attend the trial to see for herself if he did it.

I guess she still has doubts IMO.

'Certainly, not what John Ray is saying, she wants to hear and see for herself what is presented in court,' Macedonia added in reference to John Ray who is a lawyer for the families of two women found dead on the east New York peninsula.

I can't wrap my head around how she stays so calm and objective. It's hard enough for complete strangers to not jump in with more emotion.

I am sure I'd either be screaming they got the wrong man, or very disgusted that they seemed to have the right one, and being too hard on myself for things that weren't my fault, like traveling to give the killer some privacy.

The last thing I could imagine is saying, "oh well, let's see what evidence they have.."

But, it is what it is. That is the way Asa is responding. Maybe it's better not to get all emotional about false incarceration and/or serial killing.

MOO

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Wait, are you talking about the show filmed in Asa's house? That's out?

I understand that LE got Asa's abandoned DNA samples from the recycles left out on the curb. Which is interesting. It takes an effort for a HH member to have NO interaction at all with the family's recycles. Was he consciously NOT throwing out his spit? They had to grab that in Manhattan.

MOO

If RH doesn’t drink from bottles or cans… then no spit in the recycling. Asa doing food prep & serving, RH touching none of it.

 

[Forest_Wood]

I can't wrap my head around how she stays so calm and objective. It's hard enough for complete strangers to not jump in with more emotion.

I am sure I'd either be screaming they got the wrong man, or very disgusted that they seemed to have the right one, and being too hard on myself for things that weren't my fault, like traveling to give the killer some privacy.

The last thing I could imagine is saying, "oh well, let's see what evidence they have.."

But, it is what it is. That is the way Asa is responding. Maybe it's better not to get all emotional about false incarceration and/or serial killing.

MOO

I'd like to know if it's considered normal behaviour for family members of men charged w/serial killing to want to be in the courtroom hearing/seeing all the evidence and gory details?

 

[Betty P]

I can't wrap my head around how she stays so calm and objective. It's hard enough for complete strangers to not jump in with more emotion.

I am sure I'd either be screaming they got the wrong man, or very disgusted that they seemed to have the right one, and being too hard on myself for things that weren't my fault, like traveling to give the killer some privacy.

The last thing I could imagine is saying, "oh well, let's see what evidence they have.."

But, it is what it is. That is the way Asa is responding. Maybe it's better not to get all emotional about false incarceration and/or serial killing.

MOO

I think she’s convinced he’s innocent. Her family has 4 attorneys (including Rex’s team) telling them that Rex will be acquitted, so she’s probably confident. It’s either that or bluster.

JMO, she’s going to back him all the way, regardless of all the evidence.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I'd like to know if it's considered normal behaviour for family members of men charged w/serial killing to want to be in the courtroom hearing/seeing all the evidence and gory details?

Maybe it’s to be included in her tell all-book …

 

[snarast]

Right. More will be learned when they finally identify the other victims. Not all of the victims had the testing and genetic genealogy work done yet to determine who they are. Like the other victims, once they know identities, they can investigate, where they lived, find witnesses who saw them last, etc.

Here's another good article about whether there are connections between Rex and victims who had body parts in both locations, as well as the one linked to Fire Island.

Rex Heuermann’s peculiar connection to ‘Manorville Butcher’ and victims’ scattered body parts

Four of the victims – known as the “Gilgo Beach 4” – have been connected to Heuermann, who is believed to be “LISK,” short for Long Island Serial Killer.

nypost.com

Who are the victims known as the 'Gilgo Four?' | Investigation timeline

The four victims were found within a quarter mile of one another.

abc7ny.com

It will be interesting to see if they can make a connection to Rex and victims whose body parts were found at both Gilgo Beach and Manorville. So far, AFAIK, that connection hasn't been made to him. That's such a puzzling part of these murders - the victims whose remains were found at GB and Manorville. Who did that and why?

ETA:
Jessica Taylor, one of victims whose remains were found at Manorville & Gilgo Beach was wrapped in burlap.

Jessica Taylor, First Gilgo Beach Serial Killer Victim To Be Identified, Was Found 20 Years Ago Wednesday

Twenty years ago on the morning of July 26, 2003, a woman walking her dog along secluded Halsey Manor Road in Manorville discovered a body that was later identified as that of Jessica Taylor. Eight years later, her additional remains were found 50 miles away on the side of Ocean Parkway.

www.longislandpress.com

Valerie Mack was the other victim whose death looked similar to Rex H's work. TBH, though, LE said serial killer Bitrolff was also a hunter. IIRC, I don't think he wrapped his victims in burlap, though. He posed them in sexual positions and they had one shoe removed. See link below.

2 other Gilgo Beach victims were tied up like a ‘hunter’ did it: investigator

MANORVILLE, Long Island (PIX11) — Wednesday marked 20 years since the headless and handless body of Jessica Taylor, a 20-year-old escort working out of New York City, was discovered in the wo…

pix11.com

And *when* were the body parts put there? I mean, distributing body parts like this seems a little bit unusual.

But if they were placed there later it could be a matter of opportunity and/or necessity - as in someone decided to dump treasured trophies when it seemed like a good opportunity to obfuscate and rid themselves.

But LE must know what is the case, so it is kind of silly to speculate I guess.