Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #9

[Ruminations]

This is true and could certainly be possible. The timing is the reason I find it curious though. At the start BM went out of his way (to attempt?) to portray her in a certain way in the early days. And now there's a camera crew, asset transfers, a mini-makeover, and no cane. It is curious.

jmo

I hear you. I just wish I never ever knew what dudette looked like, what she carried or how she groomed. I wish the only thing I knew about her is the statement she gave, perhaps through a representative, saying that she is horrified of the murders being investigated, and can't imagine the victims' suffering or being in the shoes the the victims' survivors. No matter who the murderer or murders are, she demands justice. ( If she sincerely doubts Rex's involvement, her statement could say so, with the caveat that a stont in jail waiting to defend himself is trivial compared to what the victims are going through. He has a future to work with.)

After that, no comment. No photos. No statements.

I have no interest in her canes, her blown out hair, her clothing, etc.

MOO

 

[CuriousCricket]

<modsnip> ... The family have signed a seven-figure deal $1m for documentary:

Gilgo Beach, Idaho killers' families set to earn millions by selling their stories

Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann may be in jail facing murder charges but he also ruined the lives of his family members, who have had to resort to selling their life rights to pay…

www.newsnationnow.com

Quote from article: "Two independent sources confirmed to NewsNation Ellerup and her two children, Victoria and Christopher, will receive at least $1 million for participating in the doc"

The lawyer taking "care" of them will take a huge chunk of whatever amount they get.

 

[BaffleMe]

The bigger picture…….Rex has been front and center since his arrest in July. The focus has been predominantly on him and the Gilgo4 as the main event, with some side shows (Asa)to keep everyone busy/distracted.
There were 11 remains found in the Gilgo area and I am sure that there are more yet to be discovered. Manorville and Fire Island were other locations that remains were found , some tied to The Gilgo area. Then there are remains found on the North Shore of LI in several locations that may or may not be tied in. Again I’m sure there is more out there yet to be discovered.
From the beginning Suffolk county botched the case, IMO on purpose. Those running the show Don’t want these cases solved as too many heads will roll. Why wasn’t the FBI brought in early on or the NYS police? What about Nassau LE? this extends into their jurisdiction as well.
There are many people in Suffolk county whether it be officials, LE or civilians also tied into these cases in one form or another , yet they all lead nowhere? Nothing to see here, just move forward! And the best LE and the DA’s office could do after 12 years was release the image of initials on the back of a belt.
If it were not for attorney John Ray who has kept this alive we would know nothing and LISK would probably have faded away into history which is what IMO “THEY” wanted. That was until 2 years ago when Harrison was brought in . Suffolk had to make it look like LE were actually investigating the murders, there had to be some transparency. Harrison formed a task force and actually made some progress. He and his team took a fresh look at the evidence and brought forth a suspect who had long been on the radar, RH. One has to ask some questions though, is LE trying to pin everything on RH? Is he being used as a fall guy to protect others? Is Harrison’s departure actually because they were afraid he would uncover “to much” and “they” fear that others would be exposed? Why did it take so long for NYState to allow ancestral DNA to be used? When you have a police commissioner who is actually doing a good job, why would you as a candidate announce he would be replaced before your even elected? I could go on with the questions but it all points in one direction…
Why did Harrison go public with Ray? Because we, the public, Don’t believe in our elected officials, or LE, not even the media ($$$$)for that matter. Harrison helped bring Ray front and center so those with information would have a place they could go. I commend Harrison for that unconventional act before resigning, it showed that he like Ray are looking for the truth and justice.
The Bigger picture…. Rex is only one of the many involved , Ray’s work is showing us that. We are supposed to focus on RH and the distractions all the while the clock is ticking. As more time passes witnesses and evidence fades away , as do “they”.

IMO

Are you saying you think he had help?

 

[Baby baby Jane]

No issue with person making lemonade with the bag of rotten lemons they’ve been given. She was caught on camera worsts days of her life, literally her dirty laundry and unkempt home for world to see. Her disabled boy, daughter and her self on display for the world to pick over, speculate about etc. ooo I see them using food stamps, their house is worst, ooo creepy doll, they should get jobs…
She’s had a few months now and opportunity has fallen into her lap. She has made herself look tidy, as anyone would if the world is watching.
Media, news, John Ray are ALL also in it for the money. As if Mr Ray doesn’t do a blow-out and dress up for the camera!!
Mr Ray all about the civil damages, paid TV appearances, he’ll be after a chunk of ASA’s money for sure in civil suits.
If you want to hate on anyone, other than RH, then hate on the public who is the audience who literally the people paying ASA and her family.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Quote from article: "Two independent sources confirmed to NewsNation Ellerup and her two children, Victoria and Christopher, will receive at least $1 million for participating in the doc"

The lawyer taking "care" of them will take a huge chunk of whatever amount they get.

Something is odd on this whole thing and the estranged wife’s legal representation IMO. I won’t be watching. I fear and it seems this entire matter will become a circus - if it has not already. It is unfortunate that NBC/Peacock is involved if that is accurate?

Might this be a way to monetize off the tragedy, and, therefore, perhaps be neither a good witness for the prosecution or the defense? And a means to avoid being called as a witness? (Maybe this also gives credence to the lawyer’s earlier representations that the client (estranged wife) would be in the courtroom to see and hear all court testimony? I hope cameras will be banned in the courtroom.)

And at this rate it is likely this supposed ‘reality show’ would be prior to any trial? To affect opinion perhaps?

I am also saddened to see the impending departure of Mr. Harrison. And it now seems apparent that the attorney representing the Gilbert family needs to keep at it full steam.
MOO
Edit/update thereafter: my vote would be the prosecution should have the estranged wife on the proposed witness list - which as I understand would preclude their attendance during testimony or evidentiary proceedings. MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

<modsnip> ... The family have signed a seven-figure deal $1m for documentary:

Gilgo Beach, Idaho killers' families set to earn millions by selling their stories

Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann may be in jail facing murder charges but he also ruined the lives of his family members, who have had to resort to selling their life rights to pay…

www.newsnationnow.com

“They will be filmed throughout the trial and after the trial’s outcome,” one source said. “The family will tell their entire story and everything about their life (with Heuermann) exclusively to the (documentary filmmakers).”

Ellerup’s lawyer, Robert Macedonio, is said to have signed a $400,000 deal while Vess Mitev, a lawyer for Heuermann’s daughter Victoria and his stepson Christopher, is said to have been paid $200,000. When contacted, Mitev and Macedonio both declined comment.

There's a photo of the mother/daughter sitting in their attorney's office dated July 31. Seems they planned this two weeks after his arrest. Why else take a picture of them in one's office?

To me, it's always been about $$$$ to these people. MOO.

 

[Forest_Wood]

“They will be filmed throughout the trial and after the trial’s outcome,” one source said. “The family will tell their entire story and everything about their life (with Heuermann) exclusively to the (documentary filmmakers).”

They'll be telling their story, but I don't for one moment believe it will be the true story of their relationship or their lives. Fiction reality television. I wonder if any of what they claim will be fact-checked along the way. MOO.

The good thing about this is that they won't be reliant on taxpayers to pay their way in life and they will have
to pay taxes on that money. Others will always want a claim of it, they'll be forever reliant on shady lawyers to try to keep it, and they'll never be free again because of their fifteen minutes of fame in this. MOO.

 

[Betty P]

The bigger picture…….Rex has been front and center since his arrest in July. The focus has been predominantly on him and the Gilgo4 as the main event, with some side shows (Asa)to keep everyone busy/distracted.
There were 11 remains found in the Gilgo area and I am sure that there are more yet to be discovered. Manorville and Fire Island were other locations that remains were found , some tied to The Gilgo area. Then there are remains found on the North Shore of LI in several locations that may or may not be tied in. Again I’m sure there is more out there yet to be discovered.
From the beginning Suffolk county botched the case, IMO on purpose. Those running the show Don’t want these cases solved as too many heads will roll. Why wasn’t the FBI brought in early on or the NYS police? What about Nassau LE? this extends into their jurisdiction as well.
There are many people in Suffolk county whether it be officials, LE or civilians also tied into these cases in one form or another , yet they all lead nowhere? Nothing to see here, just move forward! And the best LE and the DA’s office could do after 12 years was release the image of initials on the back of a belt.
If it were not for attorney John Ray who has kept this alive we would know nothing and LISK would probably have faded away into history which is what IMO “THEY” wanted. That was until 2 years ago when Harrison was brought in . Suffolk had to make it look like LE were actually investigating the murders, there had to be some transparency. Harrison formed a task force and actually made some progress. He and his team took a fresh look at the evidence and brought forth a suspect who had long been on the radar, RH. One has to ask some questions though, is LE trying to pin everything on RH? Is he being used as a fall guy to protect others? Is Harrison’s departure actually because they were afraid he would uncover “to much” and “they” fear that others would be exposed? Why did it take so long for NYState to allow ancestral DNA to be used? When you have a police commissioner who is actually doing a good job, why would you as a candidate announce he would be replaced before your even elected? I could go on with the questions but it all points in one direction…
Why did Harrison go public with Ray? Because we, the public, Don’t believe in our elected officials, or LE, not even the media ($$$$)for that matter. Harrison helped bring Ray front and center so those with information would have a place they could go. I commend Harrison for that unconventional act before resigning, it showed that he like Ray are looking for the truth and justice.
The Bigger picture…. Rex is only one of the many involved , Ray’s work is showing us that. We are supposed to focus on RH and the distractions all the while the clock is ticking. As more time passes witnesses and evidence fades away , as do “they”.

IMO

I agree with all of this. JMO, the NY AG and governor need to get involved here. It's a big investigation, it probably needs some more money $$$$ to finish the work. That's been the process in other cases involving many victims and crime scenes. Since the NY state police are part of the task force, it means the state has been recently involved, so perhaps that needs to continue.

 

[Betty P]

<modsnip> ... The family have signed a seven-figure deal $1m for documentary:

Gilgo Beach, Idaho killers' families set to earn millions by selling their stories

Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann may be in jail facing murder charges but he also ruined the lives of his family members, who have had to resort to selling their life rights to pay…

www.newsnationnow.com

This is really offensive.

ETA: As for the discussion of the killer's family as victims, this case doesn't seem to be as clear-cut as others. There is credible evidence that Rex's wife had some knowledge of his criminal activity or at least should have had suspicions.

The family members of the victims of the LISK murders have had the most difficult battle, JMO. These are family victims who spent 13 yrs or more battling police to fully investigate the murders of their loved ones. Their struggle has been much more difficult, their grief, stress and financial burdens much greater. JMO

 

[BaffleMe]

This is really offensive.

That is awful IMO. It disgusts me

 

[Betty P]

That is awful IMO. It disgusts me

I have sympathy for some of the family members of the killers - Rex and Kohberger - but these amounts seem excessive compared to the burden borne by the family members of the victims. There needs to be a way to mediate this situation.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

This is really offensive.

ETA: As for the discussion of the killer's family as victims, this case doesn't seem to be as clear-cut as others. There is credible evidence that Rex's wife had some knowledge of his criminal activity or at least should have had suspicions.

The family members of the victims of the LISK murders have had the most difficult battle, JMO. These are family victims who spent 13 yrs or more battling police to fully investigate the murders of their loved ones. Their struggle has been much more difficult, their grief, stress and financial burdens much greater. JMO

It’s not AE driving the gravy train, it’s reality TV/media - their leadership sees $$$$ in AE & family.

Ask Media CEOs why they aren’t offering victim families deals - or maybe they are?

 

[Betty P]

It’s not AE driving the gravy train, it’s reality TV/media - their leadership sees $$$$ in AE & family.

Ask Media CEOs why they aren’t offering victim families deals - or maybe they are?

True, the whole situation is sick. I support the LISK victims and their families.

 

[Forest_Wood]

It’s not AE driving the gravy train, it’s reality TV/media - their leadership sees $$$$ in AE & family.

Ask Media CEOs why they aren’t offering victim families deals - or maybe they are?

AE is a capable adult who gets to make her own decisions. She IS the one driving the gravy train. She agreed to stay with her alleged SK husband for all those years, even if she allegedly knew about and/or participated in activities that have been brought to light by JR (swinger parties, SW's coming to the home when she was present, etc.). If she now comes out in this documentary to say he was abusive, and she chose to stay (yes, it really is about choice), it shows how messed up this whole facade really is. People always have tough choices to make. I mean, she has already declared she knew absolutely nothing (there's nothing to see here, folks), so what else is left? I'm thinking it will be more about how they are coping due to their circumstances rather than about any grand revelation. MOO of course.

 

[CuriousCricket]

“They will be filmed throughout the trial and after the trial’s outcome,” one source said. “The family will tell their entire story and everything about their life (with Heuermann) exclusively to the (documentary filmmakers).”

Ellerup’s lawyer, Robert Macedonio, is said to have signed a $400,000 deal while Vess Mitev, a lawyer for Heuermann’s daughter Victoria and his stepson Christopher, is said to have been paid $200,000. When contacted, Mitev and Macedonio both declined comment.

There's a photo of the mother/daughter sitting in their attorney's office dated July 31. Seems they planned this two weeks after his arrest. Why else take a picture of them in one's office?

To me, it's always been about $$$$ to these people. MOO.

Photos used with news stories are not always shot for the article they appear in. Sometimes editors use whatever photo is available in order to have "art" with the story. Some websites offer photos of newsworthy people -- some free and others to be purchased. The reporter for the story is often asked to supply the "art".

 

[Forest_Wood]

Photos used with news stories are not always shot for the article they appear in. Sometimes editors use whatever photo is available in order to have "art" with the story. Some websites offer photos of newsworthy people -- some free and others to be purchased. The reporter for the story is often asked to supply the "art".

The photo had a caption stating the date it was taken and that it was taken in the attorney's office though.

Wouldn't that indicate it may have been taken by the lawyer, especially seeing the vantage point of the photo (from someone on the other side of the desk). I guess that's what the lawyers are earning their hundreds of thousands of dollars for? Providing pics and opportunities. MOO.

ETA: It does have a source name indicated also. Maybe the attorney's arranged a photographer to come in? Or it's someone from the streaming service for the documentary who was invited to the office. MOO.

 

[Mrs.A]

This is a nation with Capitalism as it's number one religion. It doesn't surprise me at all that people with the means or ability to capitalize on this tragedy are doing so.

Of course it is unjust, but justice and fairness almost never take priority within our socioeconomic systems.

I think it would be great to get money to the families of the victims and fix the systems that give more value to some humans than others but the demand for that simply is not as high as it is for money.

It's also difficult to believe that those of us here who are obsessed with this case, from a supposed victim centric view will all abstain from watching the documentaries on principle. We gobble up every bit.

 

[Betty P]

This is a nation with Capitalism as it's number one religion. It doesn't surprise me at all that people with the means or ability to capitalize on this tragedy are doing so.

Of course it is unjust, but justice and fairness almost never take priority within our socioeconomic systems.

I think it would be great to get money to the families of the victims and fix the systems that give more value to some humans than others but the demand for that simply is not as high as it is for money.

It's also difficult to believe that those of us here who are obsessed with this case, from a supposed victim centric view will all abstain from watching the documentaries on principle. We gobble up every bit.

I will certainly avoid the one on Peacock/NBC.

 

[CuriousCricket]

The photo had a caption stating the date it was taken and that it was taken in the attorney's office though.

Wouldn't that indicate it may have been taken by the lawyer, especially seeing the vantage point of the photo (from someone on the other side of the desk). I guess that's what the lawyers are earning their hundreds of thousands of dollars for? Providing pics and opportunities. MOO.

ETA: It does have a source name indicated also. Maybe the attorney's arranged a photographer to come in? Or it's someone from the streaming service for the documentary who was invited to the office. MOO.

The photo has a credit line to James Carbone, Newsday RM, via Getty Images. I just looked up Getty Images.com and the website sells the usage of photos. Newsday Media is located on Long Island. I suspect Newsday knew it might make extra money by making the photo available on Getty Images. I have not checked out exactly how this particular image outlet works concerning copyrights and usages. It's certainly not public domain.

My original reply simply addressed the thought that this film event(s) was planned from as early as this July 31 visit. While that is possible, having this July photo with this November story does not necessarily mean that.

I suspect a local Newsday photographer was assigned to photograph the "historic" moment. (It happens even in small towns. A local reporter/photographer will be assigned to go take a picture of something the newpaper/media outlet thinks it can use later. It's wonderful to have file photos. I know as I worked for a small town paper for about 30 years. I must say though I don't think our publisher charged other media to use our photos - even an occasional international story. He could have, but anytime another paper asked permission through me, it was always just a verbal ok without any mention of payment.)

It's possible this photo of AE and VH will be used with a variety of other stories. If it's through "Getty Images", I would expect the publisher paid for the photo in order to have "art" with the story.

 

[Ruminations]

No issue with person making lemonade with the bag of rotten lemons they’ve been given. She was caught on camera worsts days of her life, literally her dirty laundry and unkempt home for world to see. Her disabled boy, daughter and her self on display for the world to pick over, speculate about etc. ooo I see them using food stamps, their house is worst, ooo creepy doll, they should get jobs…
She’s had a few months now and opportunity has fallen into her lap. She has made herself look tidy, as anyone would if the world is watching.
Media, news, John Ray are ALL also in it for the money. As if Mr Ray doesn’t do a blow-out and dress up for the camera!!
Mr Ray all about the civil damages, paid TV appearances, he’ll be after a chunk of ASA’s money for sure in civil suits.
If you want to hate on anyone, other than RH, then hate on the public who is the audience who literally the people paying ASA and her family.

There is a world of difference between John Ray and the others.

First, what civil damages? If John Ray were all about the money, there are much better civil trees to bark up. His earliest LISK related client was hasn't even officially been murdered, although that is pretty obviously a mistake, at best, IMO. Its a very long route to wrongful death. And murderers, once identified and arrested, burn through their assets lightning-quick. John Ray has put up for many, many hours of investigation, deposition taking, and evidence preserving (such as holding Shannan's devices, actually dedicating a room for all things LISK in his office) and throwing in defending Shannan's sister for the murder she committed, trying to get the mitigating factors acknowledged and figured into how she spends the rest of her life....there is no way John Ray is making a profit here. Just where do you think he can make money enough to break even?

Is he in public doing the right thing for those props? Well, I for one think he is doing the very right thing and deserves props. But I don't see him getting a thank you, except from class acts like Rodney Harrison. He mostly gets ridicule for his fashion choices, and suffers just-south-of-defamation lies, like he's trying to "stay relevant." Yeah right. He is doing relevant things on his own dime that for years LE woukd not do. And to an extent LE still won't do (address tip line issues). Doing relevant things is not "Trying to stay relevant." It's doing relevant things.

I haven't seen anyone you mentioned in your post lifting a finger to help the victims of LISK. John Ray is one of the reasons there is an official LE LISK case; he kept it from going into LE's deep freezer.

So please, never again lump John Ray in with the family's criminal attorney or toxic documentary makers.

MOO