Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[TootsieFootsie]

“He very much said, ‘What am I here for? I don’t know nothing of what you’re talking about,'” the top cop said.

 

[Sundog]

Full disclosure: I am not a homeowner, but most townships have a myriad of rules and regulations and from what I hear from friends and relatives, technically you need a permit to practically breathe, especially in Long Island communities (a friend recently told me that she was told by a realtor that within a certain town here you “technically” need a permit for a tile backsplash which is ridiculous) BUT I think a vast majority of people bypass these rules, especially on inside/indoor projects. I believe it could become an issue down the road if you ever put the house up for sale.

If anyone, especially from LI can chime in on this, I’d greatly appreciate it, because like I said, this is what I’ve heard from other people, not my personal experience.

We had to get a permit when we had a new hot water heater/tank installed in our house.

 

[Kikalina]

That's what I was thinking re if he did keep hairs and they were in good enough condition, it could lead to who knows how many more victims being discovered.

Ugh now I keep thinking about the doll and wondering if the dolls hair was actually a victims

 

[Oakie]

I’ve missed several pages but did screenshot this image from this Bronx news video. Is it a tree truck, log? Dismiss this if it has already been discussed. I’ll catch up eventually.

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That looks to me like the fuel storage tank for fuel oil for an oil-fed heater (I used to have one of those in Maryland). They may have excavated it from his yard.

However, it could be an old well or cistern casing, in which case....it might contain anything.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Now, I’ve got concrete on my mind:
she was found encased in concrete in Manhattan

Identified! - NY - Manhattan, 'Midtown Jane Doe', WhtFem 16-21, 337UFNY, under concrete, ring w/ 'P McG', Feb'03 Patricia McGlone

Here is a link. They suggest Joel Rifkin, serial killer is being considered but not his MO. Wonder who was this poor lady... http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/14038.htm

www.websleuths.com

 

[Ruminations]

*I guess I missed it, the thread moves so quickly, but the Bounty paper towels surprised me.

The warrant shows a long list of items under “property sought,” many of which are listed as “trophies,” the newspaper reported.

That list includes phones, articles of clothing, jewelry, identification, notebooks, ledgers, Bibles, personal effects and/or photographs or recordings depicting the victims, according to the paper.

Other “trophy” items were separately listed, according to the paper, including condoms, black leather belts, knives, scissors, devices used to stamp letters on leather goods, and “Bounty paper towels specifically from the Bounty Modern Print Collection.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/23/us/gilgo-beach-serial-killings-investigation/index.html

In addition to the line of a brand of paper towels, I found the leather-stamping equipment oddly specific. Were bodies stamped or something?

MOO

 

[Deleted member 117884]

If indeed it is a concrete-encased room with a vault door rather than a freestanding safe, yes, a permit is requires per AJ301.5 of the New York State Residential Building Code (pg 854):

Level 2 alterations include the reconfiguration of space, the addition or elimination of any door or window, the reconfiguration or extension of any system, or the installation of any additional equipment. Level 2 alterations shall comply with the provisions of Section AJ501 for Level 1 alterations as well as the provisions of Section AJ601 [NOTE: Section AJ601 requires obtaining a permit].

I found no record of RH obtaining permits for any work done in the basement, so I'm pretty sure it was done off-the-books. I did find a sketch of the property on the Nassau County Land Records Viewer which shows the dimensions of the house:

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I am also attaching a copy of the Property Card from 1/12/2006 which includes detailed information about the house such as materials and structural elements

Excellent find. I note one bathroom, at least originally. Wonder if anything was later installed in the basement? Was the laundry room down there, with a sink?

jmo

 

[Emilie D]

In addition to the line of a brand of paper towels, I found the leather-stamping equipment oddly specific. Were bodies stamped or something?

MOO

The belt had a monogram, was that stamped or was it painted on?

 

[Deleted member 117884]

In addition to the line of a brand of paper towels, I found the leather-stamping equipment oddly specific. Were bodies stamped or something?

MOO

The belt found with one of the victims had initials stamped onto it. That's my guess for the leather-stamping. I hope that's all there is to it.

jmo

 

[Kikalina]

Excellent find. I note one bathroom, at least originally. Wonder if anything was later installed in the basement? Was the laundry room down there, with a sink?

jmo

Considering the age of the house and my limited knowledge of my grandfather building houses in Nassau, a lot of original houses had the laundry room and a “slop sink” in the basement

 

[FromGermany1]

Every time I see these photos and videos of LE removing items from the house, dismantling stuff, digging, etc ~ and they have to do it, I think of his wife and children who’s home this was and how devastating it is for them. If they are ever able to step foot in that place again, maybe to get belongings or whatever, I can’t imagine the state they’ll find it in and how invaded they might feel. The whole world is watching their private lives unfold. I sincerely hope they are ok.

I don't know, why LE have transported their furniture like couch and ottomane and so on back to the home. Who will live there again?

 

[Friday13]

Just a theory but, I think they are going to find that he had multiple killing sites. Some he did at home while his family was away, and some at other locations. I'm not sure his family was away often enough to keep up with is appetite. That may have been when he went on business trips out of town. =(

I agree with you on this

 

[Emilie D]

I don't know, why LE have transported their furniture like couch and ottomane and so on back to the home. Who will live there again?

If the rent or price is cheap enough, you'd be surprised how fast it will be inhabited.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I don't know, why LE have transported their furniture like couch and ottomane and so on back to the home. Who will live there again?

The house and furniture and contents still belongs to the family.

 

[iamshadow21]

In addition to the line of a brand of paper towels, I found the leather-stamping equipment oddly specific. Were bodies stamped or something?

MOO

Perhaps one of the belts we don't know much about (there were three with Maureen) was handmade or had some kind of personalisation that was added after it was made and sold.

Or it could be related to some grave good or goods that aren't public knowledge.

I don't think it could have been related to the bodies of the GB4, because as far as I know, they were skeletal or mostly so when found. Any stamp or brand on the skin would have long decomposed with the rest of the soft tissue. Though, looking at the timeline, it's possible that the last two victims still had some soft tissues left. Megan had been out there for roughly six months, Amber for three. It's a harsh environment, though, and complete skeletonisation can take as little as a couple of weeks in the right circumstances.

MOO

 

[Deleted member 117884]

The house and furniture and contents still belongs to the family.

Right. And LE isn't a garbage-removal or moving company. Man, I feel for the wife having to deal with this literal mess.

jmo

 

[iamshadow21]

The belt had a monogram, was that stamped or was it painted on?

Looked painted to me.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

I can't keep up with this thread!

A thought about hunting -- in keeping with his outrageous collection of guns and a perception that he's a hunter, and presumably a hunter of 4 legged animals which is what people would assume, perhaps he took many opportunities to "hunt". Suited up, gathered some camo and a fitting hunting arsenal and said he was going "hunting", Hunting indeed. Simply stayed at the office or a hotel or another property, and while others thought he was off being an avid hunter of wildlife, he was nearby, avidly hunting vulnerable women to victimize.

JMO

 

[SonsOfCain]

Does anyone have a clue if most married serial killer's start killing before or after they get married. If most start before there a chance he could have pre 1990 victims.

According to serial killer historian Peter Vronsky (along with various other statistics and findings by LE, the FBI, and criminal psychologists), male serial killers typically commit their first murder by the age of 27-28 years old. Some are married by then and some are not. I went back and looked at all of the serial killers who were or had been married and the common thing that I noticed was that a good many of them had started killing after marriage. This was just my own personal observation. It does make sense though because one of the many stressors that is thought to push a serial killer into killing is marriage (along with divorce, birth of a child, death of a child, etc). This is not to say that marriage is the sole facilitator/common denominator however. There are a multitude of factors that are at play, all of which seem to create a “perfect storm” in the making of a serial killer.

I hope that made sense. My coffee hasn’t kicked in just yet so I might have sounded a little too rambley in my reply lol.

 

[Yemelyan]

Hi, MBB was missing from July 2007 to December 2010. I don't know about an autopsy report, but probably. My info is taken from the bail application for Heuermann.

What looks "first timer" to me is the killer using belts - at the head, the chest/waist area and feet / ankles. At least one belt had a monogram! Plus MBB was wrapped in plastic, NOT in a camo burlap (bag).

The fact that the other three were restrained with tape at the same three locations, then wrapped or bagged in camo burlap makes me question the experience of the killer. Once he knew the need for restraint material, he decided on what would work best, then provided it at the kill site and used the same material three times. Once he knew where the bodies would be hidden he provided not just burlap, but camo burlap specifically to blend with the background.

There were hairs caught in the belt(s) on MBB, but there were also hairs in the tape on the others, so that appears to be about the same.

I think the four were killed by the same man. But for the first in the series -- does he appear to be an experienced killer?

You see, from his age, I would have expected Heuermann to have been very experienced at 43, the age he was when MBB was killed. I've thought this was a grouping from a prolific career of killing. Joel Rifkin, when interviewed about Heuermann said to look for groups of four that he himself had groups of three.

Now, though, after considering this, I'm completely unsure about when Heuermann may have started killing.

You wrote: "One burner phone per victim strikes me as reacting to almost getting caught by cell data. Heuermann had one burner phone for each Gilgo Beach victim. That alone seems sophisticated in the task of torture murder."

It does, doesn't it. But Heuermann is sloppy. When arrested he had a burner phone on him with some very incriminating searches and had even done selfies for his "dating" profiles on the burner phone. At one point, early on, he checked messages for either one of the victims' voicemail accounts or something equally incriminating from his personal cell phone and not the burner.

I'm just really, really curious why MBB was wrapped with belts and plastic, seemingly whatever was on hand, IF her killer had any experience at all? And why come up with tape and camo burlap for the next 3?

I can't make it make sense.

When we look at the question of belts for MBB vs tape for later victims, and what that means as to his experience killing, one thing that is important to know is if the belts and tape served the utilitarian purpose of actually restraining the victims or were they used just as part of his fantasy? We know from his searches that "tied up" is part of what he enjoys. The bindings may have even be applied to the victims post-mortem (thinking of some of BTK's behaviors here). Given the searches I could see the belts, especially the one stamped with initials, being part of his plan instead of "whatever was on hand." We don't have enough information to figure this out at this point but I'm sure LE has a pretty good idea.