• #5,861
Am I correct in remembering most victims were last seen on/about a holiday (or at least a noted US calendar day)? Labor Day, 4th of July, Valentine's Day, etc??
There's not necessarily anything sinister in that, people often see friends and family on holidays. But if it's a public holiday, it may also suggest time off work for a predator. (So Valentine's wouldn't count.)

MOO
 
  • #5,862
Hoping "Peaches", her baby and "Cherries Doe" can all get identified soon as well! Wondering if the paper scraps found with Cherries came from a Bible? (hence, looking for a Bible in the search warrant)
605UFNY
 
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  • #5,864
Hoping "Peaches", her baby and "Cherries Doe" can all get identified soon as well! Wondering if the paper scraps found with Cherries came from a Bible? (hence, looking for a Bible in the search warrant)
605UFNY
That DoeNet page you linked says the paper was likely from a calendar, and had words and phrases in Spanish written on it. So, not likely a Bible. Perhaps from something like a day planner though? Those have calendars in them.

MOO
 
  • #5,865
I didn't expect this. I expected a superseding indictment for the murder of MBB or an identification of another victim but did not think it would be Fire Island Jane Doe from 1997, 27 years ago. This is really good imo. It demonstrates that they are really drilling down on all of the unsolved cases. They are on a mission!

jmo
It really does give me hope that we are going to see IDs for ALL known victims in the near future. So many people are going to get to go home. I'm honestly in tears I'm so happy.

MOO
 
  • #5,866
I am glad that the press conference was kept to Karen Vergata. Much respect to LE for the work being done. moo
 
  • #5,867
I know that LE was able to determine that RH's innocent wife was out of the country during the murders he's been charged with, but do we know if LE has determined all of the wife's trips? I'm thinking of an overlay between her known trips (which correspond to his vile opportunities) and known missing persons (specifically missing sex workers), there might be so illuminating (horrifying) overlap.

jmo
 
  • #5,868
Karen Vergata was identified as Jane Doe No. 7 in the Gilgo Beach killings.
  • Remains found on April 11, 2011, along with the body of the woman dubbed “Peaches” was linked by DNA to a body that was found 15 years earlier on Fire Island. On April 20, 1996, skeletal remains of a young white female were discovered in Davis Park on Blue Point Beach. Two sets of remains, collectively known as “Jane Doe No. 7,” have been identified today, cops are expected to release details at a presser this afternoon.
  • Gilgo Beach victim Jane Doe No. 7 identified as Karen Vergata
 
  • #5,869
Agree ^ they are totalling drilling down on getting all ID'd.
Getting these cases solved !

Seeing a dozen clever people on the steps declaring "their find" gives me confidence.

I can only imagine how many clever LE people are behind the scenes working on these cases now!

Gives me hope !
 
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That DoeNet page you linked says the paper was likely from a calendar, and had words and phrases in Spanish written on it. So, not likely a Bible. Perhaps from something like a day planner though? Those have calendars in them.

MOO
Just wondered as "begin to live" is part of a proverb. My brain is mush today lol.
 
  • #5,871
I am glad that the press conference was kept to Karen Vergata. Much respect to LE for the work being done. moo
Yeah, it was absolutely right that this PC was just about her. It would be too easy for it to become all about RH and the GB4. Karen's waited so long for her name to be said. It's right she shouldn't have to fight for attention when it finally happens.

MOO
 
  • #5,872
TRANSCRIPTION OF PRESS CONFERENCE

Good morning everyone.

We're here -- I'm here -- with our fellow task force members to announce the identity of what has formerly been known as Fire Island Jane Doe.

On April 25, 1996, female remains consisting of legs and feet were found on the bay side shore of Fire Island about a mile west of Davis Park Beach. Then, approximately 15 years later, on April 11, 2011, additional remains consisting of a skull were discovered at Tobay Beach in Nassau County. Those remains -- that skull was found following the discovery of the remains of Jessica Taylor -- and the skull was found on the same day as the remains of what is commonly come to be referred to as Peaches was found on Jones Beach.

Thereafter, in July 2011, the Suffolk County Crime Lab linked the two sets of remains via DNA analysis, and by that I mean the legs that were found in the vicinity of Davis Park were compared with the remains found at Tobay Beach, and it was determined that it was the same person. Since 2011, that victim was known as various names including Fire Island Jane Doe.

Today, we are here to announce that as part of the Gilgo Task Force reexamination of all the evidence in the case, we were able to identify Fire Island Jane Doe as Karen Vergata, who was 34 years old at the time of her disappearance. And I believe we have a picture of Ms. Vergata, and I think it's important that we remember and honor not only Ms. Vergata, but all the victims on Gilgo Beach.

Ms. Vergata went missing at approximately February 14, 1996. At the time she lived on West 45th Street in Manhattan and was believed to be working as an escort at the time of her disappearance. There was no missing persons complaint filed at the time of that disappearance.

In August of 2022, approximately 6 months after we formed this Gilgo Task Force, a DNA profile suitable for genealogical comparison was developed from the remains of Karen Vergata.

In September of 2022, the FBI was able, via a genetic genealogy review, to identify Ms. Vergata presumptively as Fire Island Jane Doe. Thereafter in October of 2022, using a buccal swab from a relative of Karen Vergata, we were able to definitively identify her.

Prior to disclosing this information, of course we needed to contact all of Ms. Vergata's family members and additionally, at or around the same time, we were beginning our grand jury confidential investigation into what has been known as the Gilgo 4 -- that is, the murders of Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Melissa Barthelemy, Megan Waterman, and Amber Costello -- so we decided we were not going to make any public comment at this time.

However, since then, the results of that investigation have become public, and we have made the necessary notifications to Ms. Vergata's family, we can make this important announcement now.

I just want to thank in particular Special Agent Lori Giordano from the FBI and her work with the familial DNA. She worked in conjunction with us, our Suffolk County Crime Lab, Don Dollar of the Suffolk County Crime Lab, and his team, in coordination with the Suffolk County Police Department's Homicide Unit. So I want to thank them, in particular for all of their work.

Of course I want to thank our task force members, Suffolk County Sheriff Errol Toulon, ASAC Spencer Horn from the FBI. I want to thank the New York State Police, Suffolk County Police Department, Rodney Harrison -- who couldn't make it here, I understand Chief Rowan is here in his place instead -- but I want to thank them for not only their work on this case but for all their work in the task force going forward.

It's important to note that there are no charges at this time. Ms. Vergata's disappearance was in 1996 which is 27 years ago. We are going to continue to work this particular case as we did the Gilgo 4 investigation. We're going to have no comment on what, if any, suspects we've developed at this time. This is a confidential investigation so I'm not going to be taking any questions, but our investigation is continuing and thank you all very much.
 
  • #5,873
Yeah, it was absolutely right that this PC was just about her. It would be too easy for it to become all about RH and the GB4. Karen's waited so long for her name to be said. It's right she shouldn't have to fight for attention when it finally happens.

MOO
I loved that the presser was strictly about Karen.
 
  • #5,874
TRANSCRIPTION OF PRESS CONFERENCE

Good morning everyone.

We're here -- I'm here -- with our fellow task force members to announce the identity of what has formerly been known as Fire Island Jane Doe.

On April 25, 1996, female remains consisting of legs and feet were found on the bay side shore of Fire Island about a mile west of Davis Park Beach. Then, approximately 15 years later, on April 11, 2011, additional remains consisting of a skull were discovered at Tobay Beach in Nassau County. Those remains -- that skull was found following the discovery of the remains of Jessica Taylor -- and the skull was found on the same day as the remains of what is commonly come to be referred to as Peaches was found on Jones Beach.

Thereafter, in July 2011, the Suffolk County Crime Lab linked the two sets of remains via DNA analysis, and by that I mean the legs that were found in the vicinity of Davis Park were compared with the remains found at Tobay Beach, and it was determined that it was the same person. Since 2011, that victim was known as various names including Fire Island Jane Doe.

Today, we are here to announce that as part of the Gilgo Task Force reexamination of all the evidence in the case, we were able to identify Fire Island Jane Doe as Karen Vergata, who was 34 years old at the time of her disappearance. And I believe we have a picture of Ms. Vergata, and I think it's important that we remember and honor not only Ms. Vergata, but all the victims on Gilgo Beach.

Ms. Vergata went missing at approximately February 14, 1996. At the time she lived on West 45th Street in Manhattan and was believed to be working as an escort at the time of her disappearance. There was no missing persons complaint filed at the time of that disappearance.

In August of 2022, approximately 6 months after we formed this Gilgo Task Force, a DNA profile suitable for genealogical comparison was developed from the remains of Karen Vergata.

In September of 2022, the FBI was able, via a genetic genealogy review, to identify Ms. Vergata presumptively as Fire Island Jane Doe. Thereafter in October of 2022, using a buccal swab from a relative of Karen Vergata, we were able to definitively identify her.

Prior to disclosing this information, of course we needed to contact all of Ms. Vergata's family members and additionally, at or around the same time, we were beginning our grand jury confidential investigation into what has been known as the Gilgo 4 -- that is, the murders of Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Melissa Barthelemy, Megan Waterman, and Amber Costello -- so we decided we were not going to make any public comment at this time.

However, since then, the results of that investigation have become public, and we have made the necessary notifications to Ms. Vergata's family, we can make this important announcement now.

I just want to thank in particular Special Agent Lori Giordano from the FBI and her work with the familial DNA. She worked in conjunction with us, our Suffolk County Crime Lab, Don Dollar of the Suffolk County Crime Lab, and his team, in coordination with the Suffolk County Police Department's Homicide Unit. So I want to thank them, in particular for all of their work.

Of course I want to thank our task force members, Suffolk County Sheriff Errol Toulon, ASAC Spencer Horn from the FBI. I want to thank the New York State Police, Suffolk County Police Department, Rodney Harrison -- who couldn't make it here, I understand Chief Rowan is here in his place instead -- but I want to thank them for not only their work on this case but for all their work in the task force going forward.

It's important to note that there are no charges at this time. Ms. Vergata's disappearance was in 1996 which is 27 years ago. We are going to continue to work this particular case as we did the Gilgo 4 investigation. We're going to have no comment on what, if any, suspects we've developed at this time. This is a confidential investigation so I'm not going to be taking any questions, but our investigation is continuing and thank you all very much.
You're a star! Thank you for this!
 
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  • #5,876
There's not necessarily anything sinister in that, people often see friends and family on holidays. But if it's a public holiday, it may also suggest time off work for a predator. (So Valentine's wouldn't count.)

MOO

It may not be sinister but I find it interesting (at least related to the killer's thoughts). jmo
 
  • #5,877
Sadly, it appears Karen's father passed in Dec of last year. However, it's possible he knew his daughter had been found before his death.
 
  • #5,878

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> The cheek swab is to give them a primary source of DNA evidence directly from RH. Right now, the PCA was based on the DNA sourced from the pizza crust he threw away.


Without the sample, Assistant District Attorney Michelle Haddad argued, forensic biologists would only be able to reference the pizza crust and napkin as being 'purported to be used/touched' by Heuermann.

'Should the defendant's DNA from the [cheek swab] not match the DNA profile from the pizza crusts and napkin submitted for Rex Heuermann, the defense would be presented with a potential trial defense.

'Thus, there is a clear indication that material and relevant evidence will be found and is crucial for that.'


A cheek swab, she said, 'would provide further relevant evidence of the defendant's identity as the perpetrator of these crimes.'
 
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  • #5,879
Another photo of Karen
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  • #5,880
They didn't even allude to it, but we are all thinking the same thing I am sure...
They way I look at it is that the prosecutor in the RH case made the announcement, and all three departments involved in the GILGO Task Force were present. Take from that what you will, although no official statements were made. MOO
 

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