Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Momoffourboys]

Betty P's remark, directly below yours, is a good one, reserving judgement. Laws vary so much from one state to another, one county to another. Well, it doesn't make sense to me that any animal involved in a legal matter could be euthanized quickly but laws would require it to be held for a lengthy time -- perhaps until the case went to trial. Does anyone here know what Suffolk County laws are regarding animals taken during a legal warranted search?

The cats weren’t taken. They were not held as evidence. They were removed from the home. Sent to a shelter. For a reason. The dog, was not.

 

[CuriousCricket]

The cats weren’t taken. They were not held as evidence. They were removed from the home. Sent to a shelter. For a reason. The dog, was not.

ideas as to the reasons? Thanks.

Never mind. Saw the post with your reasons. So much depends on the area and how strong animal rescue is in that area. I still suspect the cats are available if Asa is interested in getting them back.

My own speculation as to the reason they were removed would be to get DNA from each one in case it matched anything else anywhere else and for the animals' safety. Cats are more difficult to control and they could not be left alone in the house, nor cared for by the technicians if the cats were crated. The search was extended - a week - so they were captured, put into crates and delivered to someone whose job it was to provide animal care. my best guess. For the cats' protection to prevent one getting outside in a terrified state. Again, I wonder if anyone has checked about getting them back now that the family are back in the home.

 

[Sundog]

I would guess that there is a lot we don’t know. They didn’t remove the dog from the home. Only the cats. There has to be reasoning behind this. Perhaps the cats were not well or needed health care that AE couldn’t provide immediately.

It's possible that AE and her children took the dog with them when LE showed up and didn't feel they needed to take the cats.

In our community, if there is a companion animal situation like this, LE will contact the local Animal Control person who will know where to take the pets, whether cats or dogs. Animal Control works with local veterinarians who will take these pets in when situations like this emerge and work with Animal Control to get them adopted and give them the care they need as appropriate.

Animal Control certainly wouldn't take them to a kill shelter.

 

[Momoffourboys]

ideas as to the reasons? Thanks.

Never mind. Saw the post with your reasons. So much depends on the area and how strong animal rescue is in that area. I still suspect the cats are available if Asa is interested in getting them back.

My own speculation as to the reason they were removed would be to get DNA from each one in case it matched anything else anywhere else and for the animals' safety. Cats are more difficult to control and they could not be left alone in the house, nor cared for by the technicians if the cats were crated. The search was extended - a week - so they were captured, put into crates and delivered to someone whose job it was to provide animal care. my best guess. For the cats' protection to prevent one getting outside in a terrified state. Again, I wonder if anyone has checked about getting them back now that the family are back in the home.

Long Island is very very pet conscious. I would guess we have hundreds of rescues in Nassau and Suffolk. The fact that a rescue wasn’t asked to take them (temporarily) leads me to believe there is something we don’t know.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Long Island is very very pet conscious. I would guess we have hundreds of rescues in Nassau and Suffolk. The fact that a rescue wasn’t asked to take them (temporarily) leads me to believe there is something we don’t know.

Agreed. Much to be wary of. And perhaps if something is said that doesn't make sense upon reflection, it isn't true. Perhaps, one government agency contacted another government agency that specializes in that area (pets displaced by warranted searches) and THAT government agency is then responsible for carrying out its legal directives. Animal Control IS most likely a kill shelter. However, that does not mean it doesn't carry out other work when the animals in its care are not strays or relinquished animals. As a government agency, Animal Control likely serves a number of uses. Now, since pets are such a big deal to most of us, they are also handy pawns in swaying public opinion.

 

[Luna20]

what right do they have to take her pets to a shelter? I would never have allowed that I don't care what all went on..

Why do they think it’s ok to remove the pets?? Is that a thing and based on what? She is the victim. That’s cruel for the cats and the family. I would be livid. Can she go through anymore trauma before collapsing?!

My pets are one of the best things in my life. They bring comfort and joy which she and the children need. Unless she requested they be removed that would be different. Though I can’t imagine her being ok with them going to a kill shelter.

 

[Ruminations]

At this point, I don't believe anything that Asa or her attorneys are saying about what LE did when they searched Rex's home. Nothing negative, I'm just reserving judgment until more is known.

ETA: The reason I'm reserving judgment is that I'm still not certain of all of Macedonio's motives when it comes to his legal representation of Rex H's wife. I don't recall any other murder case I've followed where an attorney representing the killer's wife set up an aggressive legal and PR campaign to bash the police who arrested the killer, using the wife as a tool.

He's also doing this with the knowledge that LE can't respond without compromising their case against his client's husband.

I reserve judgment for Asa, leaning to good intentions until shown otherwise for her.

I am deeply skeptical of Macedonia, always considering the possibility that his loyalty lies with Spota and himself before Asa. He sus. Very sus.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

Long Island is very very pet conscious. I would guess we have hundreds of rescues in Nassau and Suffolk. The fact that a rescue wasn’t asked to take them (temporarily) leads me to believe there is something we don’t know.

ARE there any kill shelters in NY? That's where Macedonia claimed they were taken.

MOO

Edited to add: Took my lazy fingers to google. Yes. Even the ones that claim no kill have rising healthy pet euthanasia rates. And they outsource it sometimes to move around statistics. Very depressing.

 

[Momoffourboys]

ARE there any kill shelters in NY? That's where Macedonia claimed they were taken.

MOO

Edited to add: Took my lazy fingers to google. Yes. Even the ones that claim no kill have rising healthy pet euthanasia rates. And they outsource it sometimes to move around statistics. Very depressing.

Yes. There are kill shelters BUT with so many rescues, they really try to save every animal. Some of the rescues I’ve been involved with will go to any lengths to save the oldest, sickest, troubled animals.

 

[dotr]

Aug 27 '23 rbbm

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''Thankfully, by the time Ellerup and her children returned to the home, with the help of their attorneys they were quickly able to locate their cats and bring them home.''

 

[CuriousCricket]

Aug 27 '23 rbbm

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''Thankfully, by the time Ellerup and her children returned to the home, with the help of their attorneys they were quickly able to locate their cats and bring them home.''

Just as I suspected: most likely a big flap over nothing -- tugging people's heart strings, manipulating people using pets. Just because it was a "Kill Shelter" does not mean pets involved in that legal situation WOULD have been euthanized. They were being held, safely caged, fed and watered while LE tore their home apart -- a home that BTW they shared with a man suspected of being a serial killer. Is there anyone there in the area who can check with the shelter and see exactly how animals brought to them in that situation ARE ACTUALLY handled? Because laws vary so much from one place to another, we'd need to know from the actual shelter. However, where I'm from, animals in a legal situation are picked up by the government agency (Animal Control), who contacts OUR Humane Society, which has better housing, and the animals are held pending action in the legal situation -- in neglect or abuse situations, I've known it to be months or whatever is necessary. Now, to be fair, this family is in a very new situation and they may know the shelter only as a kill shelter after a certain number of days. They may not know all the services provided. But let's also remember -- we're talking about a home housing a man believed to have killed at least 3 women and maybe more . . .
What so-called journalism has sunk to. The writers should know or should have checked with the shelter. Instead they are creating ill-will for both LE and the Heuermann family. Shame on this "news" outlet.

 

[Vpq]

Why do they think it’s ok to remove the pets?? Is that a thing and based on what? She is the victim. That’s cruel for the cats and the family. I would be livid. Can she go through anymore trauma before collapsing?!

My pets are one of the best things in my life. They bring comfort and joy which she and the children need. Unless she requested they be removed that would be different. Though I can’t imagine her being ok with them going to a kill shelter.

If it was my one cat Freya, no problem she is very friendly. If they came into the home with our orange cat, he would rip them to shreds unfortunately. I can see removing the cats when they are ripping apart the house

 

[Ruminations]

If it was my one cat Freya, no problem she is very friendly. If they came into the home with our orange cat, he would rip them to shreds unfortunately. I can see removing the cats when they are ripping apart the house

If all of the cats were like your Freya, LE woukd still need to remove them from the house so they don't escape it and find danger or disease outside.

But it was a situation expressed in a way that discredited LE. The seeds were planted by Macedonia, and the press ran with it.

MOO

 

[Pinkizzy]

Is he suggesting people trafficking of Brits to the U.S or seeking the guidance of U.K experts about interviewing trafficked women?

 

[Forest_Wood]

I am personally sick to death of coming here to read news of what else may have been discovered only to see pages upon pages of posts criticizing his family and saying things like the report of cats being moved to a kill shelter a ploy to "pull on heart strings". If my pets were removed from a crime scene to a shelter where I wasn't sure whether I'd get them in time before they were euthanized and I didn't understand what was happening my being distraught over this wouldn't be an overreaction. There's no shortage of stories of innocent people's pets (or just innocent pets) being harmed by Law enforcement or neglected. I have some stories of my own with a friend whose father was murdered and they were not allowed in the apartment for days to rescue his three cats. LE and detectives were in and out of the apartment during that time and none of them even left WATER for them. It took heroic measures for her to rescue them and they were extremely near death and dehydrated when she finally forced her way in. Please leave this poor family alone. It's sick the abuse that's being poured on them and I'm surprised these posts are allowed to stay up.

Your example shows all the more reason for LE to find a safe place for the cats, so they can be fed and watered and not underfoot or neglected like you described. Apparently the cats were looked after at the animal shelter and are back home with them now -- safe and sound. MOO.

 

[Sundog]

If all of the cats were like your Freya, LE woukd still need to remove them from the house so they don't escape it and find danger or disease outside.

But it was a situation expressed in a way that discredited LE. The seeds were planted by Macedonia, and the press ran with it.

MOO

I'm glad that Macedonia was able to locate the cats for Asa and her children. This has to bring some joy to the family in this otherwise horrible situation.

 

[Sundog]

I am personally sick to death of coming here to read news of what else may have been discovered only to see pages upon pages of posts criticizing his family and saying things like the report of cats being moved to a kill shelter a ploy to "pull on heart strings". If my pets were removed from a crime scene to a shelter where I wasn't sure whether I'd get them in time before they were euthanized and I didn't understand what was happening my being distraught over this wouldn't be an overreaction. There's no shortage of stories of innocent people's pets (or just innocent pets) being harmed by Law enforcement or neglected. I have some stories of my own with a friend whose father was murdered and they were not allowed in the apartment for days to rescue his three cats. LE and detectives were in and out of the apartment during that time and none of them even left WATER for them. It took heroic measures for her to rescue them and they were extremely near death and dehydrated when she finally forced her way in. Please leave this poor family alone. It's sick the abuse that's being poured on them and I'm surprised these posts are allowed to stay up.

I'm sorry for what your friend went through, and glad she found a way to rescue her pets. Also glad that Asa and her children have finally been reunited with their pets. This must bring them great joy and comfort knowing they are okay and they can take care of them now.

 

[Ruminations]

I'm glad that Macedonia was able to locate the cats for Asa and her children. This has to bring some joy to the family in this otherwise horrible situation.

Of course we all are glad the cats, whose location was not a big mystery, were returned to the family. A lot of posters on this thread seem to really get the importance of pets in their human's lives.

What worries me is that Macedonia seems to be focused on discrediting LE. If he had to say anything at all in his press conference about the cats, why did he phrase it as if Asa were being victimized by LE?

What is wrong with LE searching the home of a person credibly accused of 4 murders? What is wrong with sending the cats to a shelter so they can be cared for and kept safe? What exactly was LE's misstep here?

And, most of all, why would Macedonia want to make it seem like LE is not doing a good investigation?

MOO

 

[dotr]

Is he suggesting people trafficking of Brits to the U.S or seeking the guidance of U.K experts about interviewing trafficked women?

Approx @16:45
Interesting, glad you noted ETJ 's excellent initiatives regarding sex trafficking, in particular questions about Johns that can be asked of SW across many jurisdictions, including the UK.

He mentions or alludes to how the SW mentioned how aggressive RH was and how that info. is pertinent considering that they are accustomed to various acts and requests.
imo.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Of course we all are glad the cats, whose location was not a big mystery, were returned to the family. A lot of posters on this thread seem to really get the importance of pets in their human's lives.

What worries me is that Macedonia seems to be focused on discrediting LE. If he had to say anything at all in his press conference about the cats, why did he phrase it as if Asa were being victimized by LE?



MOO

In my opinion, it would be really telling if we knew for certain that the shelter the cats went to first was a government run agency that holds certain animals as mandated by the law.

Macedonia's background as outlined in this article: Who is Robert Macedonio? Asa Ellerup files for divorce from Rex Heuermann amid his arrest for Gilgo Beach murders

means he would definitely know whether the animals were in danger or not.

It would be very, very telling as to Macedonia's motives IF we knew the Shelter's policies.