Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Jurisprudence]

Is anyone buying this or is this a ploy by The Happy Face Killer to have attention for a hot minute?
Happy Face Killer reveals Gilgo Beach suspect 'sent letter' in chilling video

I guess it's possible he could have sent a thank you to relay to his daughter?

jmo

 

[girlhasnoname]

I wonder who the 'unknown individual is' that has been to visit RH? The clip says no family has been to see him, only his lawyers and this one other person. Hmmmm.

 

[CuriousCricket]

I wonder who the 'unknown individual is' that has been to visit RH? The clip says no family has been to see him, only his lawyers and this one other person. Hmmmm.

THAT is the million dollar question, isn't it? I feel sure that person had to sign in and be vetted, and so is known to LE, but the name just hasn't been released to the public. My mind strays to wonder how far out they had to reach from Burke and Spota to make it seem there is no connection ---- I know, my mind's not supposed to go there, but it does.

I'm not sure just how good HFK's advice is to RH. As the cross country killer (one of), his background and killing across jurisdictions is vastly different from Heuermann's. RH has always lived in one place and may feel he has contacts in place who can help him. Guess we'll see how things play out.

 

[Betty P]

THAT is the million dollar question, isn't it? I feel sure that person had to sign in and be vetted, and so is known to LE, but the name just hasn't been released to the public. My mind strays to wonder how far out they had to reach from Burke and Spota to make it seem there is no connection ---- I know, my mind's not supposed to go there, but it does.

I'm not sure just how good HFK's advice is to RH. As the cross country killer (one of), his background and killing across jurisdictions is vastly different from Heuermann's. RH has always lived in one place and may feel he has contacts in place who can help him. Guess we'll see how things play out.

HFK seems different from RH. He's more willing to atone for his horrible crimes by giving LE the details to help the victims and their families. Rex H is doing no such thing and I doubt he ever will. He seems to have a bit of an ego and sees himself as a professional person, with his office in Manhattan. His pride and narcissism won't allow him to admit to any murders or help his victims' families.

 

[CuriousCricket]

HFK seems different from RH. He's more willing to atone for his horrible crimes by giving LE the details to help the victims and their families. Rex H is doing no such thing and I doubt he ever will. He seems to have a bit of an ego and sees himself as a professional person, with his office in Manhattan. His pride and narcissism won't allow him to admit to any murders or help his victims' families.

After reading about HFK, I agree that the two men are so different it doesn't make sense to believe RH will take HFK's advice and confess. We all know you can never tell about a jury. RH may have watched cases in Suffolk County and have some idea about juries there. HFK turned himself in. He communicated with the media. No, two completely different men. HFK managed to get some communication with a newsworthy subject and had a golden opportunity to get some press. So, he did.

 

[iamshadow21]

HFK seems different from RH. He's more willing to atone for his horrible crimes by giving LE the details to help the victims and their families. Rex H is doing no such thing and I doubt he ever will. He seems to have a bit of an ego and sees himself as a professional person, with his office in Manhattan. His pride and narcissism won't allow him to admit to any murders or help his victims' families.

I'd be hesitant to read any empathy or altruism into Jeperson's actions. For a subset of serial killers, the engagement with police, reporters, psychologists and family members of victims is a phase or evolution of their behaviour. Think Edmund Kemper, Samuel Little, etc. They've moved to a place where they just want to talk about and relive their crimes, and people engaging them about it gives them a platform to do it. Think of someone in your life with a deep passionate interest or special subject, who lights up when they get to talk about it. That's these folks and the murders they did.

MOO

 

[Betty P]

I'd be hesitant to read any empathy or altruism into Jeperson's actions. For a subset of serial killers, the engagement with police, reporters, psychologists and family members of victims is a phase or evolution of their behaviour. Think Edmund Kemper, Samuel Little, etc. They've moved to a place where they just want to talk about and relive their crimes, and people engaging them about it gives them a platform to do it. Think of someone in your life with a deep passionate interest or special subject, who lights up when they get to talk about it. That's these folks and the murders they did.

MOO

Agree. He feels a need to talk about his crimes. I wouldn’t say he’s empathetic, but wants to do what is expedient to make things easier on himself. Even guys like Ed Kemp became tired of what they were doing and wanted to be stopped or caught.

Rex H is a different type, though.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Agree. He feels a need to talk about his crimes. I wouldn’t say he’s empathetic, but wants to do what is expedient to make things easier on himself. Even guys like Ed Kemp became tired of what they were doing and wanted to be stopped or caught.

Rex H is a different type, though.

Not just talk about his crimes, but to receive credit for them. Remember that his first message was left because a woman had confessed to his murder. That and now 30 years later, becoming involved with Heuermann who is so much in the news now . . . Doesn't that sound as though he really craves attention?

 

[Teche]

Whatever the reason, I am glad that the divorce and allocation of assets can move forward now so that Asa and her children can move forward with their lives with some financial stability, depending of course on debts that will need to be paid

I believe that the funds should be allocated for his defense and his victims’ family. The family is understandably facing struggles.

 

[Ruminations]

I believe that the funds should be allocated for his defense and his victims’ family. The family is understandably facing struggles.

It would be very unusual for the state to concern itself with the defense expenses except in that eligible persons have an attorney provided if they cannot afford their own. And, as I understand, this is already happening. So in practice, money for defense is just going back to the state and not making a tangible difference to the accused.

It is not at all typical for the family of the criminal to get their assets protected in any special way. I feel for C., in particular; this must be confusing to him. But AE has more money in her own name than before, and, if it is true that she lived under corrersive control, which seems quite possible, she has more autonomy now than ever. There was a tremendous outpouring of support from neighbors for AE and family, another resource she did not have before her husband's incarceration. With his caretaker more in control of her life including finances, C. May have more stability, too.

The victims I hurt for the most are the children of the GB4, the mothers and fathers of the GB4, the sisters, the brothers, the cousins, the friends.

The loved ones of Maureen, Melissa, Megan and Amber are the victims who have really lost something. They are the ones who should get remaining assets.

MOO

 

[Sundog]

It would be very unusual for the state to concern itself with the defense expenses except in that eligible persons have an attorney provided if they cannot afford their own. And, as I understand, this is already happening. So in practice, money for defense is just going back to the state and not making a tangible difference to the accused.

It is not at all typical for the family of the criminal to get their assets protected in any special way. I feel for C., in particular; this must be confusing to him. But AE has more money in her own name than before, and, if it is true that she lived under corrersive control, which seems quite possible, she has more autonomy now than ever. There was a tremendous outpouring of support from neighbors for AE and family, another resource she did not have before her husband's incarceration. With his caretaker more in control of her life including finances, C. May have more stability, too.

The victims I hurt for the most are the children of the GB4, the mothers and fathers of the GB4, the sisters, the brothers, the cousins, the friends.

The loved ones of Maureen, Melissa, Megan and Amber are the victims who have really lost something. They are the ones who should get remaining assets.

MOO

They will have to file a civil lawsuit in order to receive assets that will rightly belong to Asa and her two children. None of us know what Asa needs in order to protect her financial well-being now and well into the futrue. Her cancer care alone will be very costly and none of us know what debts she will have to pay as well. I don't begrudge any of the assets going to Asa that are rightfully hers as the assets are divided up in the divorce settlement so that she can have adequate financial security for herself and her two children.

 

[Betty P]

I believe that the funds should be allocated for his defense and his victims’ family. The family is understandably facing struggles.

In the US it’s common practice these days for courts to award damages to the victims and their families for the losses suffered. Lawsuits have been filed by some of the victims families, with others likely to follow.

The county and state of NY already provide for the cost of his defense. Deat penalty certified public defenders have been provided to him.

 

[Betty P]

Here’s a link to a web site that provides information and resources to victim’s families in wrongful death lawsuits in New York.

A Guide to Wrongful Death Lawsuits in New York - Rosenblum Law

Overview of New York wrongful death lawsuits Under New York’s Estates, Powers & Trusts Law (“EPTL”) Sec. 5-4.1, a wrongful death is one caused by the “wrongful act, neglect, or default” of another. A wide range of events involving intentional or negligent behavior can form the basis of a...

rosenblumlaw.com

 

[Keith417]

Am i the only one that feels that JR is just trying to find ways to involve himself in RHs case?

I feel John Ray is being portrayed in a bad light but everything this guys has done from day one points to him as a good guy whereas the cops in Long Island who we were supposed to trust they are the bad guys but it definitely isn’t John Ray. I’m sorry say what u want but he is the only good guy along with Mari Gilbert in this sad story.

 

[Keith417]

I don't feel that way at all.

He's been one of the driving forces for transparency and information.

He is keeping LE on task.

MOO

Yes I agree and I feel everyone that has called him crazy only benefited off if we the people believed he was crazy so we didn’t see who the real crazies were on Long Island (Burke and the
List goes on) . Maybe not tomorrow or a month or even a year from now but that man is gonna me a hero In this story. I love him and I think he is a good guy. Time will tell

 

[Ruminations]

They will have to file a civil lawsuit in order to receive assets that will rightly belong to Asa and her two children. None of us know what Asa needs in order to protect her financial well-being now and well into the futrue. Her cancer care alone will be very costly and none of us know what debts she will have to pay as well. I don't begrudge any of the assets going to Asa that are rightfully hers as the assets are divided up in the divorce settlement so that she can have adequate financial security for herself and her two children.

Lucky for AE, she lives in NY. She can get health insurance.

Lucky for AE, she, unlike children whose mothers were allegedly murdered by her husband, has been the benefactor of numerous financial donations for other expenses.

Lucky for AE, her neighbors overwhelmingly supported and did did not blame her for the behavior of her husband, offering much support and physical labor which woukd not have been forthcoming before her husbands incarceration for his horrific alleged crimes.

Lucky for AE, she has a spunk we all saw as she dealt with unwanted attention from tabloid photographers. She is no pushover.

I have the utmost respect for AE. I feel that it is possible that she was or was not a victim of domestic violence. If she was, I don't think Rex realized what he was up against! She is not to be trifled with.

I understand that AE has had a lot thrown at her. But she is strong and recently empowered with resources she did not have before we knew her name. IMO, if she did not have complete control of her life before I knew her name, she does now. If she did not have a bank account before I knew her name, she does now. If she did not have the support of her neighbors before I knew her name, she does now.

She lives in a state where medical insurance is very accessible. There is no reason she would have crazy out of pocket expenses for her care.

I get that she very well might have a lot on her plate. But she has not been mistreated by anyone except her husband possibly, who is now tucked away. And the community has given her tremendous support.

I hope the support continues.

In addition, I'd like to see that support extended to the children and other relatives and friends of the women Rex allegedly murdered.

MOO

 

[sds71]

Gilgo Beach investigators are doing an intense, deep dive into the personal lives and travels of additional victims in the serial killer case to determine if they are connected to suspect Rex A. Heuermann, Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney K. Harrison told Newsday…

Harrison said he assigned two additional investigators to the Gilgo Beach killings task force to prioritize work on the backgrounds of suspected victims Valerie Mack and Karen Vergata, the two latest victims authorities identified in the Gilgo probe.

Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney recently said the task force began expanding its work into the other victims, including three unidentified persons whose remains were found in the Gilgo Beach area.

The new arrivals to the task force will also work on vetting "numerous" Crime Stopper tips the police have received, Harrison said…

Because many of the task force investigators are helping prepare discovery materials that need to be turned over to Heuermann’s defense team, Harrison said he believed it was best to pull in the two additional investigators.

“This is something I need — a dedicated team of investigators to prioritize, to come to work — not going to do anything but looking at the unidentified bodies along Ocean Parkway to see if you can attach them to where they came from," Harrison said. “Once we get that, then maybe we can go forward with either [the bodies] being something that Rex Heuermann might have been involved in or identify another subject who might have been involved."

“We will continue to work hard to see if we can attach these other unidentified bodies that were discovered on Ocean Parkway, so it is a work in progress,” Harrison said.

Heuermann is back in court on Nov. 15.

Gilgo Beach killings: Investigators zero in on Valerie Mack, Karen Vergata and other victims in Rex Heuermann case

Suffolk Police Commissioner Rodney K. Harrison said he added two more investigators to prioritize probe into victims' lives and backgrounds, and 'numerous' Crime Stoppers tips.

www.newsday.com

 

[Sundog]

That poor woman needs a new lawyer.

The optics of taking moneys that could be used to compensate children who grew up without a mother due to the alleged actions of Rex so that someone whose medical expenses could be covered by Medicaid are the poor optics.

I wish that attorney, who is free of a felony record and may practice law thanks to convicted and incarcerated Spota, would stop claiming that the obstacle is the optics of returning the guns to a HH where a person is accused of murders.

It appears to me Macedonio wants to give the appearance that LE is being unreasonable, by claiming they are an irrelevant seizure.

Rex's assets are not automatically AE's, even when married, and therefore are not hers to sell until the divorce is final. So what is the hurry? They can't be sold until the divorce is final. Maybe this attorney could start by helping his client actually file for divorce in the correct county first.

After the divorce is settled, property of Rex's could and should be set aside for possible civil suits if he is found civilly culpable in the future.

Macedonio is making it seem he wants to help his client improperly sell what doesn't belong to her---at the expense of the families of murder victims.

MOO

Unless there is a court order that there is a moratorium on either partners in a divorce selling joint assets, then I would think RH and AE are able to do what they want with their property as long as both agree. Sounds like RH is not contesting the divorce, and perhaps he has already signed off on all of the joint assets to AE. We aren't privy to that. And perhaps AE wants to get ahead of future civil lawsuits, and she can't be blamed for that as her current and future security, along with her two children, are her primary concerns, as they should be.

 

[minazoe]

new, I think...

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann probed over more sex worker deaths

Disgraced architect and father-of-two Rex Heuermann is being probed in connection to the deaths of two additional sex workers whose remains were found strewn across Long Island.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

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