Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Izzylizzy]

Brown contradicts himself big time if all his quotes are accurate.



'Ellerup’s lawyer, Robert Macedonio, told The Post Thursday that her DNA being found on the scene is “nothing new” and that it was more than likely from a “hair transfer inside the house.”

Rex Heuermann's estranged wife's cheek swab matches ...​

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3 hours ago — The 60-year-old's lawyer, Michael J. Brown, said the solitary hair sample found on Waterman could have come from any one of thousands of people ...

Oops!
I attributed both quotes to Michael Brown.
Brown challanges the results and looks like Macedonio threw Rex under the big bus.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

I just have a small slice of the entire conversation and have no real interest in trying to analyze RH's handwriting.

Yes, the posts that suggested it were removed. I didn't quote your post or direct the junk science statement at you.

 

[DS2021]

A DNA sample taken from the estranged wife of the alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer matches her genetic material that was found on the remains of victims, law enforcement sources told ABC News.

Investigators obtained a cheek swab from Asa Ellerup the night her husband, Rex Heuermann, was arrested for the murders of three women whose remains were found wrapped in burlap in a marshy area near Gilgo Beach on Long Island.

Prosecutors have said Ellerup’s hairs were found on the burlap and now the sources said the DNA extracted from the hairs matches the cheek swab samples.

Prosecutors have cleared Ellerup of any wrongdoing and have said she was out of town at the time of the murders.

Gilgo Beach suspect's wife's cheek swab matches her DNA on victims

November 30, 2023, 2:44 AM

was this mtdna match or a Nuclear DNAmatch? Mtdna isnt unique, while Nuclear DNA is.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Multiple victims placed in that residence, by Rex's wife's DNA with bodies. Rex's hair being found on a body. I think this is good evidence, despite what defense counsel would like us to believe.

The 4 hairs, found stuck to tape and/or on the burlap, is excellent evidence that the tape and/or burlap had 4 hairs stuck to it, and the DNA of those hairs matches the wife. RH could have taken the tape and burlap from his house and had it in his truck. It would be normal for anyone living in the house to have their hair found on objects removed from the house. Anyone riding in the truck could easily pick up someone else's hair that also rode in the truck.
Since there are so many ways that the wife's 4 hairs could have ended up on the victims, has anyone stated that the victims had to have been in the house?

From the article:
"Suffolk County police said four female hairs later tied to Heuermann’s wife were found on the bodies of three victims discovered at Gilgo Beach in December 2010."

Wife’s DNA on the bodies found at Gilgo Beach led to arrest of Rex Heuermann

MASSAPEQUA PARK, N.Y. (PIX11) — Even though architect Rex Heuermann allegedly used “burner” phones to set up dates with sex workers before they turned up dead, he may not have banked on…

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[Forest_Wood]

Cheek swab samples collected from the estranged wife of alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann match her DNA material found on the remains of some of the homicide victims
[snip]
Her DNA has been confirmed as matching hairs found on the burlap that victims were wrapped in, a law enforcement source told ABC.
Suspect Rex Heuermann’s estranged wife’s cheek swab matches DNA found on victims: report

Multiple victims placed in that residence, by Rex's wife's DNA with bodies. Rex's hair being found on a body. I think this is good evidence, despite what defense counsel would like us to believe.

It's curious to me how 3 hairs of the wife's were reportedly found on remains while they only found one of RH's. I'd think it would be vice versa. MOO.

 

[Forest_Wood]

The first was a woman who said she and her boyfriend, a New York City police narcotics detective, went to a swingers' club in New York City in the late 1990s — at the time Karen Vergata's body was found — where they would go to switch partners; they found a phone number in the bathroom for a swingers' home in Massapequa Park. She and her boyfriend headed to Long Island but picked up a sex worker in New York, on the way.

That woman, Ray said, had just been released from jail and was hungry and disheveled.

"She came in the car with the two of them," he said."

So I wonder if the bf was James Burke then? Could it be? I believe the commissioner stated they know who it was.

 

[Forest_Wood]

After reading up on some of the available info, I wonder if Rex was a pregnancy fetish guy (aside from the, ya know, killing) and ended the lives of women he might have impregnated.

I actually hate dwelling on this because I'm sure some of the LEOs who deal with Rex are pretty disgusted by him. But, he has rights. They have to watch him, and he gets to gloat.

It is curious that he selected certain people when it's been reported he frequented many, many SWs over the course of his lifespan. Why them? Also wondering if it would have even been possible to know if they had been pregnant from the remains. MOO.

 

[Forest_Wood]

The entire conversation of handwriting began with someone wanting to see an analysis of RH's handwriting!
Forensics of handwriting is an entirely different subject, and does not include the junk science of psychoanalyzing someone via their handwriting.

It wasn't me but I was thinking nobody knows for certain it's his handwriting anyway. Maybe he dictated it to someone else to write. I don't think it's verified evidence of his handwriting imo. Who's to say it even came from RH, especially considering the source.

 

[Izzylizzy]

So I wonder if the bf was James Burke then?

I would think that Ray/Harrison looked into was Karen Vergata just released from jail when witness and bf picked her up on 2-14-96.
The jail issue, if proved would give credence to swingers claims she was at Rex's house.

Maybe the bf wasn't a NYC narc and just told gf he was while he was Suffolk County connected?
Nothing would be surprising when it comes to Burke & Co.

It's curious to me how 3 hairs of the wife's were reportedly found on remains while they only found one of RH's. I'd think it would be vice versa. MOO.

Long/longer hair gets caught on tape easily.
A vacuum power head's roller is a good example of just how many hairs float around a house.
I've used a razor to cut through the hairs wrapped around the roller.

Quite often I'll find a long/er hair on the scotch tape that I used for wrapping gifts.
I don't remember short hairs.
It's not only their hair they need to worry about when all the forensic results are in.

 

[Ruminations]

It's curious to me how 3 hairs of the wife's were reportedly found on remains while they only found one of RH's. I'd think it would be vice versa. MOO.

I agree; Rex wears his hair long enough to be a shedder, too.

I wonder if the scene would have had more hairs from both of them, if there was no effort to avoid leaving it.

I wonder if there is a standard expected number of hairs to shed while moving a body.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

It wasn't me but I was thinking nobody knows for certain it's his handwriting anyway. Maybe he dictated it to someone else to write. I don't think it's verified evidence of his handwriting imo. Who's to say it even came from RH, especially considering the source.

Rex's attorney would jump out to disavow that letter if it were not from Rex, and might even say something shady like "it doesn't even look like his handwriting," if he knew the physical writing was not Rex's IMO.

I personally fall into the handwriting analysis is junk science camp.

Even if I felt it were good science, I already know Rex too well. His searches for crimes on video were too much.

MOO

 

[10ofRods]

It's curious to me how 3 hairs of the wife's were reportedly found on remains while they only found one of RH's. I'd think it would be vice versa. MOO.

It was that forensic fact that intrigued me today. Maybe the wife had longer hair (and therefore, more inches of it to be deposited - although if the story is accurate, it implies 3 hairs with follicles as opposed to 1 hair broken into pieces.)

I don't know what RH looks like - does he have lots of hair?

 

[10ofRods]

I agree; Rex wears his hair long enough to be a shedder, too.

I wonder if the scene would have had more hairs from both of them, if there was no effort to avoid leaving it.

I wonder if there is a standard expected number of hairs to shed while moving a body.

MOO

Good question - but not that I've ever heard. Time would be one of the main variables. And age of person whose hair is falling out while they're moving the body. Also, did the living person interact with the person who eventually moved their body? For how long?

Thank you for the characterization of RH's hair!

 

[Izzylizzy]

Chris Cuomo with Asa's attorney Bob Macedonio after she appeared at Rex's hearing.

2X Macedonio refers to troubles in the marriage for a long time, troubles he said he won't get into.

Cuomo missed a good opportunity to call Macedonio on why he insists that Asa is attending the trial because all she has is the media's version and wants to hear/see for herself.

Cuomo should have asked Macedonio "did she not read his indictment"?

Short interview.

 

[Izzylizzy]

was this mtdna match or a Nuclear DNAmatch? Mtdna isnt unique, while Nuclear DNA is.

All I know is that it took 4.5 months since she gave the cheek swab for the results to be made public.
Did it take that long or was the release of the info timed for whatever reason?
I would think that on 7-14-23 they went for the fool proof N- DNA

 

[Izzylizzy]

It was that forensic fact that intrigued me today. Maybe the wife had longer hair (and therefore, more inches of it to be deposited - although if the story is accurate, it implies 3 hairs with follicles as opposed to 1 hair broken into pieces.)

I don't know what RH looks like - does he have lots of hair?

Fortunate you.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

I agree; Rex wears his hair long enough to be a shedder, too.

I wonder if the scene would have had more hairs from both of them, if there was no effort to avoid leaving it.

I wonder if there is a standard expected number of hairs to shed while moving a body.

MOO

The length of the hair doesn't have a relationship with shedding.

I could see long, light-colored hairs being easier to spot than shorter dark hairs.
I think it's reasonable to think the hairs stuck on the burlap were already there when RH took it from his house and/or hair was also in his truck. I don't see him thinking of thorough lint rolling the victims, the burlap, his clothes, the truck etc. to avoid hair transfer.

 

[snarast]

It's curious to me how 3 hairs of the wife's were reportedly found on remains while they only found one of RH's. I'd think it would be vice versa. MOO.

mtDNA is easier to detect and I personally think that Asa's mtDNA was the first to be identified. She is, after all, from that genetically speaking well sampled island, Iceland, which makes her highly recognizable (geospatial localization by sequence analysis). You can take that sequence and run it against publically (or accessible) databases and get a pretty good idea where the person comes from if - as in this case - the person comes from a country where many people's mtDNA and nuclear DNA have been sequenced. Doubtlessly LE has fancy tools that does this in no time.

Not that I know how many people from Iceland live in the NY area - but I would think that must have helped in the search for a potential suspect (or rather suspect-associated female). But this is just an non-insider's guess, of course.

Anyhow, apparently as techniques have evolved they have also been able to extract nuclear DNA from the hair samples without having access to the roots (where the DNA usually is most prevalent). Which means that they have identified her hairs twice by comparatively disparate methods - a result that is pretty solid I'd say.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Chris Cuomo with Asa's attorney Bob Macedonio after she appeared at Rex's hearing.

2X Macedonio refers to troubles in the marriage for a long time, troubles he said he won't get into.

Cuomo missed a good opportunity to call Macedonio on why he insists that Asa is attending the trial because all she has is the media's version and wants to hear/see for herself.

Cuomo should have asked Macedonio "did she not read his indictment"?

Short interview.

So, according to Macedonio -- she has various forms of cancer now. They had already been discussing divorce over the last several years. Even though they discussed divorce for years, she was still sleeping next to him for the past 27 years. She wasn't aware of anything going on in that little home because she was living in a world of her own all these years. If anything had been going on with RH downstairs, she would have known about it. She didn't discuss the case with Rex during her recent visit and Macedonia didn't even ask, frankly. She wasn't in the jurisdiction during the crimes, so therefore, she knows nothing. She only knows what the media has put out there. The only reason John Ray has linked 3 different people to these crimes over the past 12 years is because he has to recoup his costs through identifying someone for a civil case. The media gives Mr Ray way too much attention. And he seems close enough to James Burke to refer to him as Jimmy Burke.
moo.

 

[Forest_Wood]

It was that forensic fact that intrigued me today. Maybe the wife had longer hair (and therefore, more inches of it to be deposited - although if the story is accurate, it implies 3 hairs with follicles as opposed to 1 hair broken into pieces.)

I don't know what RH looks like - does he have lots of hair?

From the photos of him posted, he seems to have a good head of hair that would fall as much as anyone else's.