Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Ruminations]

Right here: Long Island

Wow- I always wondered how people know which spas are THAT kind of happy ending spa. Now I know one way of learning that.

MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

I tried to watch the symposium hosted by John Ray but I couldn't hear the sound properly so I gave up on it. What stands out most for me is how these women who've remained anonymous are now coming forward, identifying themselves while telling their truth as witnesses to certain experiences. How hard it must be for them to expose themselves to criticism, and yet here they are showing their faces and sharing their stories. I think this in itself is amazing progress, thanks to the persistence of John Ray and the trust they've put in him. MOO.

 

[snooptroop88]

On the Atlantic City financial records in the MBB superseding bail application, there's a transaction from The Body Shop, which sells all kinds of lotions and creams, some are herbal (tea tree oil). Aloe vera. That's definitely a place to go if you want something to soothe poison ivy, which LISK would have had from all his time in the brush. And which I'm sure RH has had quite often because his face has that reddish look to it like it's been consistently subjected to harsh/abrasive conditions over a long period of time. He ironically has the check in date at the Skyline of Friday the 13th, I think, and that transaction is the 15th. MBB was last seen July 9th. I think when all is said and done, he'll have committed all the Gilgo murders and beyond, with victims in other regions.

 

[CuriousCricket]

On the Atlantic City financial records in the MBB superseding bail application, there's a transaction from The Body Shop, which sells all kinds of lotions and creams, some are herbal (tea tree oil). Aloe vera. That's definitely a place to go if you want something to soothe poison ivy, which LISK would have had from all his time in the brush. And which I'm sure RH has had quite often because his face has that reddish look to it like it's been consistently subjected to harsh/abrasive conditions over a long period of time. He ironically has the check in date at the Skyline of Friday the 13th, I think, and that transaction is the 15th. MBB was last seen July 9th. I think when all is said and done, he'll have committed all the Gilgo murders and beyond, with victims in other regions.

Interesting thinking. Makes you wonder . . .
Does anyone local to LI know if poison ivy does grow there along Ocean Parkway? Would anyone pushing through the brush enough to hide something in the underbrush get some kind of poisonous rash? You know, maybe the foliage is rough enough to have scratched and slapped the face of anyone carrying a load through the thick underbrush and it wasn't poison, but burn from rough foliage? Is that possible?

Sawgrass? Is there something called sawgrass? How would that work, slapping back against a person?

However, I must confess, I happen to think MBB was probably killed in his home -- mainly because she was wrapped in belts. What I can't come up with is a reasonable explanation for him being so disorganized that he wasn't prepared to restrain her and had to "grab what was handy". It's almost like she was his first.

Unless, his sheer size had always been enough before. So, why not now? Perhaps he had been injured? Is that also an explanation for the purchase of the Avalanche? For the change of MO with the remains not being dismembered? Had an injury forced him to change how he operated?

 

[Betty P]

On the Atlantic City financial records in the MBB superseding bail application, there's a transaction from The Body Shop, which sells all kinds of lotions and creams, some are herbal (tea tree oil). Aloe vera. That's definitely a place to go if you want something to soothe poison ivy, which LISK would have had from all his time in the brush. And which I'm sure RH has had quite often because his face has that reddish look to it like it's been consistently subjected to harsh/abrasive conditions over a long period of time. He ironically has the check in date at the Skyline of Friday the 13th, I think, and that transaction is the 15th. MBB was last seen July 9th. I think when all is said and done, he'll have committed all the Gilgo murders and beyond, with victims in other regions.

I noticed the same thing. From his photos, it appears he has eczema or something similar.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Did anyone look over the Atlantic City financial records for the hotel change on the MBB indictment? They changed from Flagship (AE's hotel w/the kids, I guess) to Skyline (RH arrives). Someone must have wanted that change pretty badly because I used to travel for work and changing hotels in "mid-swim" like that is something of a nightmare, and this was an actual vacation. If you can avoid all of that, why not do it? Could this have been the motivation for the change? Flagship amenity note:

Fees​

You'll be asked to pay the following charges at the property:​

Deposit: USD 100 per stay
Resort fee: USD 15.91 per accommodation, per night
The resort fee includes:
Business center/computer access
Children's club/arcade access
Fitness center access
Housekeeping
In-room coffee
Pool access
Spa tub access
WiFi access (may be limited)

VS

Skyline amenity note:

The resort offers internet access at its cyber center (30-minute limit if anyone is waiting) and complimentary Wi-Fi for all units.
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So wondering if Flagship guarantees stable internet for the most part in common areas, but either way, it looks like you'd have to pay the resort fee to get it, and if you have to pay a resort fee to get it, it may somehow (?) make it easier to track online activities if they ever had to do that for any reason because everyone isn't "herded" together for free internet, by the looks of things.

A simple search turns this up: Welcome to NYC.gov | City of New York
Poison Ivy
Poison ivy is a plant found in many parts of New York City as well as throughout the United States. It is often found in wooded areas; wetlands; open lots; parks; and yards. This plant may cause a range of symptoms when people touch or eat the leaves, stems or berries, or breathe in smoke when it is burned. All parts of the plant cause an irritating rash on the skin

Sawgrass is found along freshwater

 

[amaraya]

Poison ivy is rampant on the island.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Poison ivy is rampant on the island.

So, it might be very interesting to know exactly what was purchased at The Body Shop. It prob would not be THE tidbit but when enough tidbits stack up, you get a full picture.

 

[Just K]

Right here: Long Island

We also looked into longislanderotica.

 

[Just K]

Wow, it sure is. Thanks! Page 135 is dated Sept. 3 2008. Found a way to get back to at least 2005, listed as "old posts". I'm looking with names and a year. I'm not interested in registering or logging in.

Definitely: Look for Andy, Springfield Man and Mickey Mouse

 

[Just K]

Definitely: Look for Andy, Springfield Man and Mickey Mouse

Oh, and on a suspicion, maybe check for any Hellboy references

 

[minazoe]

Did anyone see the full press conference just now on NN?

 

[sds71]

Suffolk County prosecutors handed over a trove of documents to the defense for alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann — including nearly 3,000 police tips — as the former Manhattan architect appeared briefly Tuesday in a Riverhead courtroom.

Suffolk Assistant District Attorney Nicholas Santomartino told the court it had provided to the defense — at its request — the police department's “lead log” to the defense containing 2,944 tips received by the public since the inception of the case until Jan. 2. Prosecutors provided the log as well as the full file on the first 25 tips.

Heuermann, 60, of Massapequa Park, dressed in a dark suit and tie and handcuffed, did not address the court. State Supreme Court Justice Timothy Mazzei set Heuermann's next court appearance for April 17…

Brown said in the discovery he's so far reviewed, there have been “significant” leads provided to police and said in at least once instance, police were close to charging another unnamed suspect.
“We were informed, among other individuals, that there was another individual that the prior district attorney of this county was prepared to charge with these crimes,” said Brown, referring to former Suffolk District Attorney Timothy Sini. “We haven't received any of that documentation. We expect that it will be forthcoming, but that's very important, extremely important to this case. So we're waiting for the documentation.”

The leads are important,” said Heuermann defense attorney Michael J. Brown, speaking to reporters after the court conference. “I think you heard the government this morning say there's somewhere close to 3,000 leads in this case. Obviously some of those leads aren't going to be significant at all. But some of those leads are going to be extremely significant.

Brown said his client has been reviewing discovery in the jail, but is suffering because he's so isolated. Newsday reported previously that Suffolk Sheriff Errol Toulon, Jr., has placed Heuermann in a special housing unit due to his notoriety and threats made by other inmates to potentially harm him.

“The sheriff has been great; they've been permitting him to review the discovery,” said Brown. “He's in this isolation situation … and I get it, it's for his own benefit, I understand it, it's for his own safety. You obviously don't want someone in the jail trying to get their 15 minutes of fame, so that's why he's being isolated. But at the same time, he's not getting any social interaction with anybody else other than a correction officer.”

Asked by a reporter is Heuermann is lonely and depressed, Brown said: “I think that's probably two of the many emotions that he has probably experienced.”

Gilgo Beach killings: Prosecutors turn over almost 3,000 police tips to suspect Rex Heuermann's defense team

"Some of those leads are going to be extremely important," said Michael J. Brown, defense attorney for suspect Rex Heuermann.

www.newsday.com

 

[Betty P]

Brown said in the discovery he's so far reviewed, there have been “significant” leads provided to police and said in at least once instance, police were close to charging another unnamed suspect.
“We were informed, among other individuals, that there was another individual that the prior district attorney of this county was prepared to charge with these crimes,” said Brown, referring to former Suffolk District Attorney Timothy Sini. “We haven't received any of that documentation. We expect that it will be forthcoming, but that's very important, extremely important to this case. So we're waiting for the documentation.”

Well, that's very interesting. Rex H's defense attorneys are attempting to use the Suffolk PD's earlier investigations against the prosecutor's case. Seems its even more helpful that John Ray has helped bring forward so many new witnesses who can testify against Rex H and put him at the scene of some of these murders.

Brown said his client has been reviewing discovery in the jail, but is suffering because he's so isolated. Newsday reported previously that Suffolk Sheriff Errol Toulon, Jr., has placed Heuermann in a special housing unit due to his notoriety and threats made by other inmates to potentially harm him.

Isolating a notorious serial or mass killer in jail for their own observation and safety is SOP in most county jails.

 

[Teche]

Suffolk County prosecutors handed over a trove of documents to the defense for alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann — including nearly 3,000 police tips — as the former Manhattan architect appeared briefly Tuesday in a Riverhead courtroom.

Suffolk Assistant District Attorney Nicholas Santomartino told the court it had provided to the defense — at its request — the police department's “lead log” to the defense containing 2,944 tips received by the public since the inception of the case until Jan. 2. Prosecutors provided the log as well as the full file on the first 25 tips.

Heuermann, 60, of Massapequa Park, dressed in a dark suit and tie and handcuffed, did not address the court. State Supreme Court Justice Timothy Mazzei set Heuermann's next court appearance for April 17…

Brown said in the discovery he's so far reviewed, there have been “significant” leads provided to police and said in at least once instance, police were close to charging another unnamed suspect.
“We were informed, among other individuals, that there was another individual that the prior district attorney of this county was prepared to charge with these crimes,” said Brown, referring to former Suffolk District Attorney Timothy Sini. “We haven't received any of that documentation. We expect that it will be forthcoming, but that's very important, extremely important to this case. So we're waiting for the documentation.”

The leads are important,” said Heuermann defense attorney Michael J. Brown, speaking to reporters after the court conference. “I think you heard the government this morning say there's somewhere close to 3,000 leads in this case. Obviously some of those leads aren't going to be significant at all. But some of those leads are going to be extremely significant.

Brown said his client has been reviewing discovery in the jail, but is suffering because he's so isolated. Newsday reported previously that Suffolk Sheriff Errol Toulon, Jr., has placed Heuermann in a special housing unit due to his notoriety and threats made by other inmates to potentially harm him.

“The sheriff has been great; they've been permitting him to review the discovery,” said Brown. “He's in this isolation situation … and I get it, it's for his own benefit, I understand it, it's for his own safety. You obviously don't want someone in the jail trying to get their 15 minutes of fame, so that's why he's being isolated. But at the same time, he's not getting any social interaction with anybody else other than a correction officer.”

Asked by a reporter is Heuermann is lonely and depressed, Brown said: “I think that's probably two of the many emotions that he has probably experienced.”

Gilgo Beach killings: Prosecutors turn over almost 3,000 police tips to suspect Rex Heuermann's defense team

"Some of those leads are going to be extremely important," said Michael J. Brown, defense attorney for suspect Rex Heuermann.

www.newsday.com

Suffering from isolation. Oh, well.

 

[snooptroop88]

Look, I know some people don't like John Ray, and I don't want to offend here. But I think John Ray has done so, so much for this case, and so much for the victims. I really think the world of John Ray and am very grateful to him. He helps people that otherwise might be muted and frightened. I also don't know why people insist on mocking his clothes, which has nothing to do with anything of any substance. (I actually like some of his clothes and think he has good taste.) The defense is not going to be able to use anything uncovered by JR or anyone to any significant advantage, IMO. Yes, they'll try, but there's too good a case against RH. If they do ultimately end up charging anyone as an accomplice, it's going to be truly wild. I'm still thinking there was not an "accomplice" per se, but I don't know, obviously.

Right, he's not suffering so much in isolation that he can't write Keith Jesperson about the lack of butter for his bread. (RH is probably a foodie. Pretty sure they have a charge for Jose Andres' restaurant on that AC financial statement, and another place that's a well-known foodie haunt). One day, definitely not soon, but one day maybe RH will be trying to bargain away details of his other crimes for some butter, who knows? "Will Talk For Butter" If he is guilty and that's LISK, I shudder at the idea of the actual kill count. Also wondering if there was any head trauma in his past, like with Jesperson and many other SKs, including Ramirez.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Look, I know some people don't like John Ray, and I don't want to offend here. But I think John Ray has done so, so much for this case, and so much for the victims. I really think the world of John Ray and am very grateful to him. He helps people that otherwise might be muted and frightened. I also don't know why people insist on mocking his clothes, which has nothing to do with anything of any substance. (I actually like some of his clothes and think he has good taste.) The defense is not going to be able to use anything uncovered by JR or anyone to any significant advantage, IMO. Yes, they'll try, but there's too good a case against RH. If they do ultimately end up charging anyone as an accomplice, it's going to be truly wild. I'm still thinking there was not an "accomplice" per se, but I don't know, obviously.

Right, he's not suffering so much in isolation that he can't write Keith Jesperson about the lack of butter for his bread. (RH is probably a foodie. Pretty sure they have a charge for Jose Andres' restaurant on that AC financial statement, and another place that's a well-known foodie haunt). One day, definitely not soon, but one day maybe RH will be trying to bargain away details of his other crimes for some butter, who knows? "Will Talk For Butter" If he is guilty and that's LISK, I shudder at the idea of the actual kill count. Also wondering if there was any head trauma in his past, like with Jesperson and many other SKs, including Ramirez.

People with strong, flamboyant personalities seem to create strong feelings in other people. They are either loved or hated. Frankly, I'd rather have a big personality than none at all. But it takes all kinds. . . .

I have to smile when people wonder if RH is "depressed". Well, honey, there are certain circumstances you're either depressed and/or sad or a blooming idiot. Who on the planet facing a long, complicated court trial for murder, the remainder of life in prison, separated prob from others just to stay alive would not have the very good sense to be depressed? Perhaps some would survive depression by being hopeful of being found innocent, but RH is combing through all the evidence. He knows what he facing. Depression and isolation sound like reasonable emotions.

 

[Izzylizzy]

It's difficult to believe they didn't prep for that and do a better job.

Banfield included here.
This is one of the worst interviews yet.
I don't know what to make of this.
Banfield or Lorraine.

 

[Justice101]

Well, that's very interesting. Rex H's defense attorneys are attempting to use the Suffolk PD's earlier investigations against the prosecutor's case. Seems its even more helpful that John Ray has helped bring forward so many new witnesses who can testify against Rex H and put him at the scene of some of these murders.


Isolating a notorious serial or mass killer in jail for their own observation and safety is SOP in most county jails.

But they didn't charge the other individual earlier. So, he was a suspect, just like anyone else, but they DID NOT charge him so this looks like a nothingburger

 

[minazoe]

How can we say for certain that these people just left her with Rex...could they have participated or seen more than they are saying? Sounds like she was locked outside with no clothes on, or she was trying to get away..how is it that she did not get away? How is it that the detective did not ask this girl if she wished to be left there? why did they not insist? maybe they were all high.

I have questions.