Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Just K]

Well, I did a search Re: the post about Sugar Bear’s mother wanting answers. I know I read it yesterday when trying to catch up from where I last was here. I can’t find it. Either it’s gone or I’m not using the right words on my search.

 

[lightofmine99]

Could someone remind me who or what Sugar Bear is?

 

[Just K]

This is all I could find:

Twenty years ago Wednesday, a landscaper cleaning the wooded property of a newly constructed home in Moriches found the partial remains of Andre Isaac, a professional drag performer known as “Sugar Bear.”

“If Andrew Isaac’s information is included on a website set up by the Suffolk County police Department as part of the LISK investigation, then why haven’t they mentioned him in connection with this case before?” journalist Alexis Linkletter asked on the podcast Unraveled that explored the case. “And more importantly, why isn’t his information visible for the public to see?”

Police have said that they do not believe that Isaac’s case is connected to the Gilgo Beach murders in which authorities found 10 sets of human remains along Ocean Parkway in 2010 and 2011 while searching for missing New Jersey woman Shannan Gilbert who was later found dead in Oak Beach.

“Before the official roll out of the website, [Isaac’s] case was utilized as a test during [the] layout process and was briefly live on the site,” police told the Press in a statement when asked about the still-functioning link to Isaac’s profile on the police website. “If you navigate to the website, not utilizing that link, that page no longer exists.”

Isaac’s mother, Kim Jordan, reportedly believes that his son’s murder is connected to the Gilgo investigation and said she has been in touch with Homicide Squad detectives to discuss it.

Is Andre “Sugar Bear” Isaac Linked to the Gilgo Beach Murders?

In the two decades since the victim’s remains were found on Long Island, questions have been raised about whether the unsolved murder may be linked to the Gilgo Beach case.

www.longislandpress.com

 

[lightofmine99]

OK, when I searched the term "Sugar Bear" ITT I couldn't tell if people were referring to someone (like a nickname) or a specific place, like "Sugar Bear Forest" or something.

Thank you.

 

[DS2021]

Could someone remind me who or what Sugar Bear is?

Thread 'Possible Victim: Andre Jamal Isaac, 25, aka Sugar Bear, missing Nov 2002, found Queens Dec 2002 & Moriches Jan 2003' Possible Victim: Andre Jamal Isaac, 25, aka Sugar Bear, missing Nov 2002, found Queens Dec 2002 & Moriches Jan 2003

 

[Ursamajr]

Deleted by me. DS2021 dropped the link already

 

[justagirlfromqueens]

Gilgo Beach murders lead investigators to Manorville. "Notorious for people dumping bodies in there."

Authorities with several law enforcement agencies continue to search an area in Manorville for evidence in the Gilgo Beach murders case.

www.cbsnews.com

"Manorville, where they're searching, is notorious for people dumping bodies in there, so I wouldn't be surprised if they uncover other bodies that might not necessarily be related to Gilgo," Alcazar said''.
ETA
Noting..

Possible Victim: Andre Jamal Isaac, 25, aka Sugar Bear, missing Nov 2002, found Queens Dec 2002 & Moriches Jan 2003

Bumping

www.websleuths.com

While the victims tied to John Biltroff were found no where near his home, this search area is. he lived right there. not saying he will be tied to anything they find, just pointing this out.

 

[Ursamajr]

Who knows what they are looking for out there today but I can't help but think, the irony of Bittrolff not using his backyard as a dumping ground only to have another serial killer do it.

What I would give to know if Bittrolff and Heuermann ever crossed paths... or any combination of Bittrolff/Heuermann/Burke.

 

[justagirlfromqueens]

Who knows what they are looking for out there today but I can't help but think, the irony of Bittrolff not using his backyard as a dumping ground only to have another serial killer do it.

What I would give to know if Bittrolff and Heuermann ever crossed paths... or any combination of Bittrolff/Heuermann/Burke.

yup had Biltroff used the area by his home as his dumping ground he could have possibly blamed those deaths on Heuermann...or he would have been blamed for Heuermann's murders :/

 

[dotr]

John Bittrolff: Rex Heuermann's chilling search history raises questions about 'other Gilgo Beach killer'

Rex Heuermann's arrest has brought to light a potential connection to another suspect, John Bittrolff, adding a new layer of intrigue to the case

meaww.com

BY JENNY ANNA MATHEW JUL 16, 2023 rbbm
''The arrest of Heuermann has also drawn attention to Bittrolff, a carpenter from Manorville, Long Island. In 2014, Bittrolff, a married father residing in Manorville, Suffolk County, was taken into custody for the homicides of sex workers Rita Tangredi and Colleen McNamee''.

''Tangredi, aged 31, was discovered beaten and strangled to death in 1993, while McNamee, aged 20, met a similar fate the following year, as per Oxygen Crime. The bodies of both women were discarded in wooded areas within close proximity on Long Island's south shore, with Tangredi found in East Patchogue and McNamee in nearby North Shirley. The similarities between these murders and the Gilgo Beach killings have sparked speculation regarding Bittrolff's potential involvement in the larger series of crimes, hinting at a possible connection.''

 

[Betty P]

Wait, what Sugar Bear news?

MSN

Not news from Suffolk PD, but an odd link on their Gilgo Beach web page. Looking back in 2011 news stories re Gilgo Beach victims, his name was mentioned.

I’m just wondering about the affidavit from the woman who went to the swingers party at Rex H’s house with her cop boyfriend. IIRC she said they both had sex with RH, so he was or is, bi.

 

[DS2021]

John Bittrolff: Rex Heuermann's chilling search history raises questions about 'other Gilgo Beach killer'

Rex Heuermann's arrest has brought to light a potential connection to another suspect, John Bittrolff, adding a new layer of intrigue to the case

meaww.com

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BY JENNY ANNA MATHEW JUL 16, 2023 rbbm
''The arrest of Heuermann has also drawn attention to Bittrolff, a carpenter from Manorville, Long Island. In 2014, Bittrolff, a married father residing in Manorville, Suffolk County, was taken into custody for the homicides of sex workers Rita Tangredi and Colleen McNamee''.

''Tangredi, aged 31, was discovered beaten and strangled to death in 1993, while McNamee, aged 20, met a similar fate the following year, as per Oxygen Crime. The bodies of both women were discarded in wooded areas within close proximity on Long Island's south shore, with Tangredi found in East Patchogue and McNamee in nearby North Shirley. The similarities between these murders and the Gilgo Beach killings have sparked speculation regarding Bittrolff's potential involvement in the larger series of crimes, hinting at a possible connection.''

Convicted LI murderer not tied to Gilgo Beach case: DA

RIVERHEAD, N.Y. (PIX11) –Suffolk County District Attorney Raymond Tierney ruled out Sunday night a long-time theory that convicted Manorville murderer, John Bittrolff, could be somehow tied t…

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RIVERHEAD, N.Y. (PIX11) –Suffolk County District Attorney Raymond Tierney ruled out Sunday night a long-time theory that convicted Manorville murderer, John Bittrolff, could be somehow tied to the Long Island serial killer investigation.

“He has nothing to do with LISK,” Tierney said, using the acronym for Long Island Serial Killer.

 

[sds71]

The law enforcement search of Manorville grew in size Thursday, as more than a dozen K-9 police units from three agencies scanned sections of the hamlet's 6,900 acres of pine barrens looking for human remains in the Gilgo Beach homicide investigation.

Brian Higgins, a lecturer at John Jay College of Criminal Justice and the former Bergen County Police Chief, said cadaver dogs often have to be brought in from other jurisdictions because they perform a “highly specialized” investigative function.

“Dogs really need to work, they need to keep their skills up and so do their handlers,” Higgins said. “But there isn't much work for cadaver dogs, so that's why you need to bring them in from other areas.”

Gilgo Beach killings: Search in Manorville pine barrens goes into a fourth day

Suffolk County and New York State police could be seen searching areas north and south of Mill Road near Calverton early Friday morning. The NYPD is also continuing to assist in the search.

www.newsday.com

 

[lightofmine99]

I know the dogs are just so chuffed to be out working now, since they get to do it so inconsistently (thankfully).

 

[NyxNY]

MSN

Not news from Suffolk PD, but an odd link on their Gilgo Beach web page. Looking back in 2011 news stories re Gilgo Beach victims, his name was mentioned.

I’m just wondering about the affidavit from the woman who went to the swingers party at Rex H’s house with her cop boyfriend. IIRC she said they both had sex with RH, so he was or is, bi.

Ah, thank you. No new news there, but it is a new article. I hope it sparks interest again for those victims, whether they are victims of RH or not, they deserve justice. While Sugar Bear is not listed as one of the victims on the official page when you click on "victims", his link is still there:

https://gilgonews.com/vics/AndreIsaac

ETA I couldn't get to the page using DuckDuckGo by the way

 

[Lore Listener]

The law enforcement search of Manorville grew in size Thursday, as more than a dozen K-9 police units from three agencies scanned sections of the hamlet's 6,900 acres of pine barrens looking for human remains in the Gilgo Beach homicide investigation.

Brian Higgins, a lecturer at John Jay College of Criminal Justice and the former Bergen County Police Chief, said cadaver dogs often have to be brought in from other jurisdictions because they perform a “highly specialized” investigative function.

“Dogs really need to work, they need to keep their skills up and so do their handlers,” Higgins said. “But there isn't much work for cadaver dogs, so that's why you need to bring them in from other areas.”

Gilgo Beach killings: Search in Manorville pine barrens goes into a fourth day

Suffolk County and New York State police could be seen searching areas north and south of Mill Road near Calverton early Friday morning. The NYPD is also continuing to assist in the search.

www.newsday.com

Ok, so we know for sure they're looking for remains (as opposed to other kinds of evidence.) That means not Jessica Taylor. Someone else. Valerie? Sugar Bear? Someone we haven't heard of yet who was brought into the investigation by evidence found since RH's arrest?

 

[Betty P]

Ah, thank you. No new news there, but it is a new article. I hope it sparks interest again for those victims, whether they are victims of RH or not, they deserve justice. While he is not listed as one of the victims on the official page when you click on "victims", his link is still there:

https://gilgonews.com/vics/AndreIsaac

ETA I couldn't get to the page using DuckDuckGo by the way

Yes, it makes you wonder if many of these sex workers knew each other or saw each other at the same parties on Long Island.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I guess they'll have to explain how the former police officer killed the victim, but managed to get Rex Heuermann's wife's hair tangled up in the bindings. Just sayin'.

Defense is grasping at straws here. They really don't have a lot to work with, do they?

This article that mentions AE's hair being tangled up in the belt with W.H. initials. There are quite a few similar articles out there.

Rex Heuermann’s wife supports him in court over Gilgo Beach murders

Asa Ellerup, who shares two adult children with the accused serial killer, says he is ‘not capable of the crimes he is accused of’

www.independent.co.uk

It's a delay tactic if nothing else.
Fight to get all the documents then if they're released more time will be needed to go through them etc.
I don't see RH anxious to get to trial so who knows?

 

[Izzylizzy]

Someone who was missing from NYC? I'm just checking in, has there been anyone from NY State Police? Just wondering, they're part of the LISK task force and I think it's still active.

ETA I think Valerie Mack was working out of NYC. She was from Philly. Valerie Mack

Back a few pages, right before the posts on the news of a search in Manorville, there was a post Re: Sugar Bear’s mother wanting further investigations and answers. I’ll look for it. Also Sugar Bear lived in the exact same area as Jessica and Khalil White. There were also several unsolved murders in those surrounding blocks.

I just read the recent article posted with Sugar Bear's mother.
She said the last time she saw him he was leaving in "red sports car".
I haven't followed Sugar Bear/LISK until RH was arrested.
The "red sports car"?

Anyone know what LE did with this info?
There can't be that many RSC's driving around/registered.
Even looking at DMV records from surrounding states.
Then again there's the description of Rex's truck right from the get-go.

 

[dotr]

Jessica Taylor, First Gilgo Beach Serial Killer Victim To Be Identified, Was Found 20 Years Ago Wednesday

Twenty years ago on the morning of July 26, 2003, a woman walking her dog along secluded Halsey Manor Road in Manorville discovered a body that was later identified as that of Jessica Taylor. Eight years later, her additional remains were found 50 miles away on the side of Ocean Parkway.

www.longislandpress.com

2023 by Timothy Bolger
''She had been working near the Port Authority Bus Terminal between July 18-21, an area once known as the Minnesota Strip — a term coined by cops in the ’70s because that stretch of Eighth Avenue between 42nd and 57th Streets was known for prostitution, and when Minnesota passed tough anti-prostitution laws, many women left for the streets of New York City.

During that time, city-based punk rock band The Dictators penned the song “The Minnesota Strip” [“The strip is hopping on Friday night / They come from so far away”].