Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[AugustWest]

It was very descriptive, informative and disgusting all at the same time.

Prime rib, tube socks, mirrored erotica, open fornication. What's not to like?

 

[CuriousCricket]

Prime rib, tube socks, mirrored erotica, open fornication. What's not to like?

That was some article. Throw in the microwave popcorn and the rush of everyone to partake - Frankly incredible. As a "somewhat" writer myself, it made me envious of the author's skill and thinking about buying some tube socks.

 

[Just K]

Prime rib, tube socks, mirrored erotica, open fornication. What's not to like?

Dark red carpeting throughout, food and the stray “hairs.”

 

[OnTheCase40]

If LE can connect Heuerman to Jessica Taylor and Valerie Mack, that would blow my mind. I would have to completely reassess so many things I thought I understood about LISK for so many years.

I'm right there with you MK. I have thought from the start it must be 2 killers. But as I have learned more about SK's I understand the evolution now. Recently I learned a lot about Israel Keyes and he didn't really have an MO. Israel Keyes was "2 different people for 14 years" so he said. In his descriptions of murders he committed and body disposals he dismembered and dropped SK in Matanuska lake, left B & L Currier in the basement of an old farmhouse, buried two victims who were a MF couple in a valley in Washington and possibly dumped a whole body in Tupper Lake NY. My point being some SK's are adaptable to their situation and will use the method of disposal that's available and makes the most sense to them. Hindsight being 20/20 the victimology between the GB4 and the rest of the bodies dump along the south shore are very similar.

 

[fred&edna]

It's the psycho sexual sadistic-torture killer that is so beyond my comprehension... I mean what exactly triggers this? From my small amount of online reading, it seems the association of sex and torture seems to mesh early... during puberty. But, maybe I'm reading the wrong info. And, it seems these killers are secretly active for years and years. Are there any up-to-date/well-informed medical studies, publications, books that provide real insight??

 

[CuriousCricket]

Three significant things stand out in this affidavit.
1. Karen Vergata’s identity was announced by the first week of August 2023. This affidavit was signed August 31st, 2023. She came forward fairly quickly upon this identification of KV.

The announcement of Karen Vergata's identity on Aug. 4, so soon after RH's arrest July 13 led me to think they had found proof of her in RH's home.

Then, they said genetic genealogy solved her ID and I wavered on that. Normally genetic genealogy is a painstaking, time-consuming process which may have begun long before RH's arrest. However, it may be that KV had a close relative who have already tested, so IDing her was much faster than when searching among second and third cousins and tree building from there.

With the Manorville and North Sea searches and the announcement of new indictment(s) to be announced Thursday, my mind is twirling.

Good job to DA Tierney and the task force for their hard work and masterful suspense building.

 

[NyxNY]

What is the white bag to the left of the Always Maxi Pads? TIA

Someone upthread said wipes, but I honestly can't make it out. MOO

 

[Ruminations]

Dark red carpeting throughout, food and the stray “hairs.”

Carpeting? I agreed with the restaurant critic that carpeting was a questionable decision, considering this restaurant's unique hook.

I don't think one pair of tube socks would have been enough.

MOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

Like I said, I don't find the ONE person who spoke of this sex party to be credible. And watching her in an interview with Banfield just reaffirmed my opinion.

That's just me.

My interest is the witness LP's boyfriend,the NYC narc detective.
Both Ray and Harrison said contact was made with him.
As disappointed as I was with LP's delivery we don't know if anything of value was gotten from him.
Imagine that knock on the door 25 yrs after the said event was claimed to have taken place?

 

[Kudzuu]

Does anyone know when to expect the reveal for RH’s next victim(s)? What time tomorrow?

 

[dotr]

Noting, fwiw. Wondering if RH had any male victims ...

What Is Sadism — and When Is It a Disorder?

Explore the psychology of sadism beyond its extreme forms. This article delves into everyday sadistic tendencies, the spectrum of sadistic behaviors, and the correlation between sadism and aggression. Learn about the causes, whether it's a mental disorder, and potential ways to manage it.

www.everydayhealth.com

2023
''In a study conducted by Dr. Paulhus, Buckels, and colleagues, the researchers explored the relationship between sadism and online trolling. They found that a sadistic personality was strongly associated with online trolling, with participants who scored higher on a scale of sadistic traits more likely to both receive pleasure from online trolling and minimize the harm they inflicted on others in their own minds.''

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann reveled in recounting how he stalked, butchered animals: ‘Target in sight’

“More than once, he gleefully described the process of dressing the game, seeming to delight in grossing his employees out,” former underling Mary Shell said.

nypost.com

''Accused Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann reveled in telling underlings how he stalked and butchered animals — and staked out a business rival to the point where freaked-out workers began locking themselves in, a new report says.
Mary Shell, who worked with the hulking architect for several years, wrote in New York magazine that Heuermann liked to hire petite women — fitting the description of his alleged victims — and once referred to a client of his Midtown office as a “target.”
Shell said co-workers “described how he gushed about his bear-hunting trips in particular: baiting an area and lying in wait.
“More than once, he gleefully described the process of dressing the game, seeming to delight in grossing his employees out,” Shell wrote. “Once, at a job site, he spotted a client approaching and, speaking to my boss over the phone, said, ‘Target in sight.’”

 

[Just K]

Noting, fwiw. Wondering if RH had any male victims ...

What Is Sadism — and When Is It a Disorder?

Explore the psychology of sadism beyond its extreme forms. This article delves into everyday sadistic tendencies, the spectrum of sadistic behaviors, and the correlation between sadism and aggression. Learn about the causes, whether it's a mental disorder, and potential ways to manage it.

www.everydayhealth.com

2023
''In a study conducted by Dr. Paulhus, Buckels, and colleagues, the researchers explored the relationship between sadism and online trolling. They found that a sadistic personality was strongly associated with online trolling, with participants who scored higher on a scale of sadistic traits more likely to both receive pleasure from online trolling and minimize the harm they inflicted on others in their own minds.''

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann reveled in recounting how he stalked, butchered animals: ‘Target in sight’

“More than once, he gleefully described the process of dressing the game, seeming to delight in grossing his employees out,” former underling Mary Shell said.

nypost.com

''Accused Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann reveled in telling underlings how he stalked and butchered animals — and staked out a business rival to the point where freaked-out workers began locking themselves in, a new report says.
Mary Shell, who worked with the hulking architect for several years, wrote in New York magazine that Heuermann liked to hire petite women — fitting the description of his alleged victims — and once referred to a client of his Midtown office as a “target.”
Shell said co-workers “described how he gushed about his bear-hunting trips in particular: baiting an area and lying in wait.
“More than once, he gleefully described the process of dressing the game, seeming to delight in grossing his employees out,” Shell wrote. “Once, at a job site, he spotted a client approaching and, speaking to my boss over the phone, said, ‘Target in sight.’”

The use of the word, “bear” reminds me of a friend. A rather burly guy who enjoyed dressing in women’s clothes. He might have described himself as a fem who was mainly attracted to “Bears,” a term he used for other burly gay men. Once again, Sugar Bear comes to mind. So sad.

 

[amaraya]

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If, as the trapeze article says- single men in the scene are not looked on well, he could have put both names to make people more comfortable

 

[dotr]

The use of the word, “bear” reminds me of a friend. A rather burly guy who enjoyed dressing in women’s clothes. He might have described himself as a fem who was mainly attracted to “Bears,” a term he used for other burly gay men. Once again, Sugar Bear comes to mind. So sad.

The term bear is one i will forevermore associate with Toronto SK, Bruce McArthur, a ''bear'' who put the remains of his male victims in ''honey'' (my term) flower pots.
Interestingly, in a separate case, his son was charged for bothering female strangers on the phone. imo, speculation, fwiw

2018

What we’ve learned about Bruce McArthur, the alleged Gay Village killer

Todd McArthur, the accused killer’s son, has a history of criminally harassing women and making indecent phone calls

www.vice.com

''McArthur’s son Todd is facing charges of his own for criminal harassment, indecent phone calls, and breaching probation, and has a long history of similar convictions in Oshawa''

 

[Izzylizzy]

Three significant things stand out in this affidavit.
1. Karen Vergata’s identity was announced by the first week of August 2023. This affidavit was signed August 31st, 2023. She came forward fairly quickly upon this identification of KV.

2. This witness referred to the shells she saw at the Heuerman house, as looking like those of the country she came from. Meaning perhaps, English might not be her first language.

3. The bf, RW, started out as a police officer in Brooklyn’s Prospect Park and later became a detective.

In addition, apparently this relationship she had with RW was important to her. It probably pains her to revisit those days and/or she feels conflicted about drawing the bf into this investigation.

IMO:
LP bringing the ex-boyfriend into the mix does give her some credibility, especially since he was LE.

Does anyone know if there were published photos of 2 seashells from Heuermann's house before LP signed the affidavit on 8/31/23?

Was the photo of their Christmas Tree published before Aug 31,2023?

On page 3 of the affidavit she says she saw a photo of RH recently and the photo of Karen Vergata.
It's not clear if when Karen's photo was published it was the first time she saw an image of RH in the media?
RH's face had been all over the news since July 13, 2023 along with images of all the Gilgo victims by the time Karen's identity was made public on August 4, 2023.

Did LP not see a media image of RH before seeing the image of KV?

My confusion lies with did LP see a photo of RH after his arrest and chose not to contact LE ,or she did and his image didn't trigger her memory (seems almost impossible) or she somehow never saw news of RH's arrest and it was Karen's image that triggered her?

I know that Ray copied her words and LP read/signed the affidavit but IMO: he could have done a much better job.

 

[Ursamajr]

(snipped by me)

My confusion lies with did LP see a photo of RH after his arrest and chose not to contact LE ,or she did and his image didn't trigger her memory (seems almost impossible) or she somehow never saw news of RH's arrest and it was Karen's image that triggered her?

Some random thoughts on this: At this press conference, John Ray was adamant that if there were more witnesses out there they would be safe coming to him if they didn't trust LE. There is a good chance that this statement was triggered by how LP reported her experience. I have seen it reported that LE found hundreds of contacts of sex workers on Heuermann's devices. If LP, like the rest of us, saw this reported... maybe she figured since she wasn't hurt, why get involved? There are hundreds of other who might come forward, right? She was involved in something many people disagree with and judge and she says it's in her past. Maybe she figured why not leave it there - in the past. If she was aware of Rex being arrested (and I assume she was) I bet she was following along with the rest of us. The second she saw Karen Vergata had been identified as a victim, I imagine thats when she knew she had to report what she believes she saw. She might not have remembered a name but I imagine she probably remembered the face of the woman she believed was in distress at the Heuermann's window. I would like to know if the "hundreds of contacts on his devices" was reported before she... reported. I can see it making sense why she didn't. I bet she remembered the "ogre" and the dilapidated house and the rest came back pretty quick if this is all true.

Edited for spelling and clarity

 

[x_files]

I was on the AE victim fence from the get-go and after the signing of her million dollar Peacock deal I fell off.
No more even possible victim status for me.

I'm not saying she was involved but treating her like a fragile hot house flower I find offensive and can't imagine how offensive she is to all the loved ones of the victims who were brutally murdered by her accused husband.

I feel the same.

 

[x_files]

I don't find her "likeable". But I also don't see any evidence at all that she had any knowledge of these crimes, much less took part in any of them. Apart from a signed affidavit from a witness I don't find to be at all credible (
for a multitude of reasons ), I'm not even convinced that she ever engaged in any swingers parties. But if she did, that's certainly not illegal, nor does it point to her being any kind of accomplice to murder. Until I see evidence of THAT, I don't see any reason to add to what, I assume, is a very traumatic time for her and her family.

All JMO.

Being unlikeable isn't a felony but in the public court, she maybe judged. Not sure why her attorney doesn't reel her in. She's not doing her family any favors.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Som random thoughts on this: At this press conference, John Ray was adamant that if there were more witnesses out there they would be safe coming to him if they didn't trust LE. There is a good chance that this statement was triggered by how LP reported her experience and what (and who) she believes she witnessed. I have seen it reported that LE found hundreds of contacts of sex workers on Heuermanns devices. If LP, like the rest of us, saw this reported... maybe she figured she wasn't hurt so why get involved? There are hundreds of other who might come forward, right? She was involved in something many people disagree with and judge and she says it's in her past. Maybe she figured why not leave it there - in the past. If she was aware of Rex being arrested (and I assume she was) I bet she was following along with the rest of us. The second she saw Karen Vergata had been identified as a victim, I imagine thats when she knew she had to report what she believes she saw. She might not have remembered a name but I imagine she probably remembered the face of the woman she believed was in distress at the Heuermann's window. I would like to know if the "hundreds of contacts on his devices" was reported before she... reported. I can see it making sense why she didn't. I bet she remembered the "ogre" and the dilapidated house and the rest came back pretty quick if this is all true.

Great post and LP finding out about Ray and the safety he provided went right over my head.

I just listened to an old Ray interview on Joe G's Youtube channel that I can't link here.
Ray said that the 2 female witnesses who signed affidavits had been interviewed by 2 detectives (Harrison too?) and that LP's boyfriend was found and has a known past that lines up with LP's claim they were swingers.
I doubt that had Ray but more importantly Rodney Harrison not felt somewhat confident after following up with these RH/AE claims they wouldn't have held the presser.

 

[sds71]

Accused #LISK suspect #RexHeuermann in court again tomorrow morning, 12 days ahead of his scheduled June 18 ‘discovery’ hearing. Multiple reports indicate at least 1 new indictment expected.
@RayTierneyDA
said the “fruits” of extensive new searches would be evident this week.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1798401037335974267