Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Lore Listener]

Newsday also saying Sandra and Jessica!

Gilgo Beach killings: Alleged serial killer Rex Heuermann to be charged in two more killings, sources say

Heuermann will be arraigned in Riverhead Thursday in the July 2003 dismemberment death of Jessica Taylor and the November 1993 death of Sandra Costilla, sources familiar with the case said.

www.newsday.com

ETA: Guess we won't know for sure until tomorrow... Sandra and Jessica would open up even a broader expansion of Rex's timeframe, MO etc. My money (but not my life savings!) is on CNN being correct, but what a wild twist it would be if Newsday/NYPost etc were correct and it's Sandra. This also makes me think perhaps all three will be eventually charged, even if only two of the three are announced tomorrow.

 

[fred&edna]

Has anyone found any personal ties RH has to the Manorville, Southampton areas?

 

[Izzylizzy]

Looking at an un-redacted copy of RH's bail application... I see John Springfield was a name he used, and "springfield" was part of one email address he used. (And, also "hunter" was used in another email address).

I think both BTK and RH share some of the same sick sadist psycho traits. It's possible BTK maybe has couple of unidentified victims BUT... I certainly think RH is likely to have FAR more than just the Gilgo victims. jmo

If one of the 2 women is Sandra Costilla, Nov.1993, then it's going back 30 yrs for RH who is now 60.
And in Southampton LI.

 

[Ruminations]

when has she contradicted herself?
I don't believe anything that comes from Ray or his 'sources'
JMO

Why not?

MOO

 

[Luna20]

when has she contradicted herself?
I don't believe anything that comes from Ray or his 'sources'
JMO

At first she took the unsupportive wife position. There was no contact between them for quite a while.

She retained an attorney and claimed that she wasn’t aware of his fetishes.

As of late she said she is waiting on the evidence to determine where she stands.

This info ^^^ can be found in the thread.

 

[fred&edna]

dbm... nevermind

 

[Betty P]

Ray said "Springfield Gardens" which is in Queens NY.

Thanks. I’ll have to look up that case.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Carmen Vargas 1989 Freeport LI NY

"I believe he did it when he first started killing,” she alleged of Heuermann, who reportedly worked in Freeport at the time, 11 years before the Gilgo Four’s bodies were found"

NY officials probing Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann in unsolved 1989 murder

The 29-year-old’s body was found dumped on the side of the Meadowbrook State Parkway in Freeport that summer, about 7 miles west of Heuermann’s Massapequa Park lifelong home.

nypost.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

Thanks. I’ll have to look up that case.

John Ray said that LP's (affidavit) NYC narc ex-boyfriend who went to RH's house with her and (Karen Vergata? ) came from "Springfield Gardens" Queens, NY.

 

[LadyL]

Why not?

MOO

neither are credible IMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

neither are credible IMO

Rodney Harrison found John Ray credible enough to stand alongside him at a joint press conference.

 

[fred&edna]

Rodney Harrison found John Ray credible enough to stand alongside him at a joint press conference.

How I wish Harrison hadn't been on his way out when that happened.

While I've always been glad JR has kept SG's case alive (and helped all these victims in many ways)... there is such a strange intertwining of lawyers surrounding RH and Gilgo, I can't give my complete trust to any of them. I believe some things but not others... tough to explain.

jmo

 

[LadyL]

Rodney Harrison found John Ray credible enough to stand alongside him at a joint press conference.

that has no bearing on my opinion

 

[vls12345]

If more charges happen tomorrow and the case/description of his SK style is expanded, do you think another look might be given to the Atlantic City murders? Will there be more detailed investigations on his property in SC?

 

[snooptroop88]

These John Ray witnesses came forward after decades. For me, jmo, I wouldn't doubt their credibility. It's the time lapse which can cause problems. And the fact that the context of RH's crimes is largely still only being pieced together even now. For example, in one of these affidavits, the witness notes someone she believed was AE said RH had brought her out to this country and everything she had was thanks to him. But I've seen multiple sources noting AE went to Farmingdale HS, which makes it seem difficult to believe she'd make such a statement. And AE's mentioned on the Classmates alumni 1981 list for Farmindale. This doesn't mean, however, the witness is inaccurate. Maybe this was indeed RH, and he did have a woman there, but a woman who wasn't actually AE. Also, if that house looked then the way it does recently, I can't picture the woman who's allegedly AE would say she was lucky RH "was rich." Once we get more of a baseline in place for how RH operated, we can probably make better assumptions about lots of things, jmo. But I'm surely interested in what these witnesses had to say.

Attorney says new witnesses tie suspected Gilgo serial killer to Shannan Gilbert and Karen Vergata

Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison stood with attorney John Ray to emphasize that they will investigate any lead or anyone who comes forward that claims to have had interactions pertinent with Heuermann's case.

newjersey.news12.com

Wife of accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann files for divorce

It’s Splitsville for accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann and his wife of more than 20 years, according to a new filing in Suffolk County matrimonial court. Asa Ellerup, 59, who shared a home with the architect and…

www.nydailynews.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

that has no bearing on my opinion

Of course it doesn't.
It has bearing on the ongoing LISK investigation.

 

[Betty P]

The affidavit of the woman cab driver was also very compelling. If accurate, she saw Rex when he was angry and preparing to kill someone. A different persona than the guy at the swinger party, though I’m sure he could switch personalities very quickly.

 

[CuriousCricket]

If more charges happen tomorrow and the case/description of his SK style is expanded, do you think another look might be given to the Atlantic City murders? Will there be more detailed investigations on his property in SC?

I think it will be really hard to predict how wide ranging this case will go. The investigation is driven by Suffolk County, NY (where so many of the bodies were found) and includes multiple agencies. Would not other counties and jurisdictions be responsible for launching their own investigations of any unsolved crimes in their areas?

I'm not sure what it might take for an investigation of this size to launch in South Carolina, nor who would pay for it.

I think LE in Atlantic City would have to make the call whether to take another look or if they already have and said "not our guy."

What tugs at my mind is John Bittrolff, still protesting his innocence but convicted of two murders in 2014, using DNA, then cutting edge. I suspect he was charged and convicted without the intense study of digital data that is available now and incredibly valuable in this Gilgo case.

IF Newsday is right about Sandra Costilla being considered an RH victim, then will it come out that Bittrolff was convicted because his DNA proved he had sex with the two women, but as his attorney said, "proof of sex is not proof of murder." Apparently Bittrolff's DNA was not found on Costilla or he would have been charged there too.

I don't think LE will look at "solved" crimes, but wonder about the Innocence Foundation getting involved. I would hope that IF the taskforce did stumble into evidence that RH was responsible for Bittrolff's two, it would look into it for justice's sake. They should have enough evidence to solve a lot of mysteries.

 

[Izzylizzy]

These John Ray witnesses came forward after decades. For me, jmo, I wouldn't doubt their credibility. It's the time lapse which can cause problems. And the fact that the context of RH's crimes is largely still only being pieced together even now. For example, in one of these affidavits, the witness notes someone she believed was AE said RH had brought her out to this country and everything she had was thanks to him. But I've seen multiple sources noting AE went to Farmingdale HS, which makes it seem difficult to believe she'd make such a statement. And AE's mentioned on the Classmates alumni 1981 list for Farmindale. This doesn't mean, however, the witness is inaccurate. Maybe this was indeed RH, and he did have a woman there, but a woman who wasn't actually AE. Also, if that house looked then the way it does recently, I can't picture the woman who's allegedly AE would say she was lucky RH "was rich." Once we get more of a baseline in place for how RH operated, we can probably make better assumptions about lots of things, jmo. But I'm surely interested in what these witnesses had to say.

Attorney says new witnesses tie suspected Gilgo serial killer to Shannan Gilbert and Karen Vergata

Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison stood with attorney John Ray to emphasize that they will investigate any lead or anyone who comes forward that claims to have had interactions pertinent with Heuermann's case.

newjersey.news12.com

Wife of accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann files for divorce

It’s Splitsville for accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann and his wife of more than 20 years, according to a new filing in Suffolk County matrimonial court. Asa Ellerup, 59, who shared a home with the architect and…

www.nydailynews.com

LP said that there were 2 sea shells on a shelf in AE's house.
IIRC: John Ray said she may have noticed them because of the sea shells on the Island where she came from?
I still haven't been able to find out if before Aug.31 2023 when LP signed the affidavit photos of AE's house were published that showed sea shells.
LP said that the Christmas tree was still up around Valentine's Day when she was there but there were photos published that showing a Christmas tree but I don't know if they were before or after 8-31-23.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I doubt that had Ray but more importantly Rodney Harrison not felt somewhat confident after following up with these RH/AE claims they wouldn't have held the presser.

RSBM

This was exactly why I took issue with Harrison standing up there next to John Ray in that press conference (and in my estimation, why Tierney also took issue with it ). Harrison himself admitted during that PC that the task force was still working on vetting this information. It's a horrific mistake, imo , for the Police Commissioner to appear to give credence to any information that hasn't been thoroughly vetted. This is exactly why we now have people running around stating that it's a fact that AE hosted swinger parties, and that Karen Vergatta definitely was in the Heuermann house the night she went missing and that she ran out of there naked and scared for her life. If this information turns out to be false or mistaken, what do you think the defense is going to do with that ? What do you think AE's attorney will do with that ?

(Not aimed at you at all. I just used your post as a jumping off point. )