Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Izzylizzy]

Except, RH may have known Bittrolff had just left both RT and CM and he may indeed have killed all three of the 93-94 women.

I've yet to hear anything about phone data from a cell phone that RH may have used for regular communications, like with AE or his brother and any guys that he could be involved with out East in shooting ranges, hunting etc.

Did RH also use burner phones for everyday talk and the prosecutors didn't find anything incriminating on them?

IIRC: Prosecutors have his business phone records.

Unless a connection can be made between RH & JB from either guy's defense lawyers or the teams of prosecutors all they have to go on is DNA from them and the victims?

 

[Izzylizzy]

Brown seems like a competent defense attorney. I sincerely hope he is.

Yes he does, but he hadn't seen any of the new evidence yet.

 

[Izzylizzy]

It doesn't matter what a defense attorney thinks with respect to a clients guilt. It only matters what their client tells them.

We just saw the results using that strategy in the election interference trial.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Yes he does, but he hadn't seen any of the new evidence yet.

I can not even imagine what went through Brown's mind when he read that. I suppose the only logical route would be to argue that several people in the home had access to his computer. Good luck with that. If I were his defense attorney, my response to reading the latest bail hearing doc would be to immediately look for mitigating factors in terms of the his sentencing, but hell, the death penalty isn't even on the table here, and digital and forensic evidence is already going to sink him for the Gilgo 4 , imo. I don't believe for a second that Tierney would agree to cut any kind of meaningful deal, unless it was something like, " Tell you what, if your client agrees to tell us about additional victims, we'll see about getting him real butter after his sentencing."

 

[Soulmagent]

Can we have a decoding weird things said by anyone in the case thread? Thats where we need to put the butter and the bird and whatever else that slides and flys. Please?
I am starting to feel like I need Tiger King to explain the verbiage.

 

[Friday13]

I am so scared , my search history is so nasty. All the cases here and weird crap ,elsewhere or whatever... . I am a dirty dirty sleuther!
Also I know most of you are too!
Try not to take what angry Mikey Brown says personally.

Guilty here lol

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Can we have a decoding weird things said by anyone in the case thread? Thats where we need to put the butter and the bird and whatever else that slides and flys. Please?
I am starting to feel like I need Tiger King to explain the verbiage.

Butter = RH complained, in letter to Happy Face Killer , that he doesn't get butter to go with his bread in jail.

(Wahhhhhh !! )

 

[Izzylizzy]

I can not even imagine what went through Brown's mind when he read that. I suppose the only logical route would be to argue that several people in the home had access to his computer. Good luck with that. If I were his defense attorney, my response to reading the latest bail hear doc would be to immediately look for mitigating factors in terms of the his sentencing, but hell, the death penalty isn't even on the table here, and digital and forensic evidence is already going to sink him for the Gilgo 4 , imo. I don't believe for a second that Tierney would agree to cut any kind of meaningful deal, unless it was something like, " Tell you what, if your client agrees to tell us about additional victims, we'll see about getting him real butter after his sentencing."

BMM: LOL!
Great post.

To butter up RH for negotiating Tierney can lay this on the table.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Butter = RH complained, in letter to Happy Face Killer , that he doesn't get butter to go with his bread in jail.

(Wahhhhhh !! )

When you seriously think about RH only replying to HFSK of all the people who wrote to him, there aren't enough 'WTF's" available.

Due to his defense attorney Brown using them all.

 

[Deleted member 117884]

I can not even imagine what went through Brown's mind when he read that. I suppose the only logical route would be to argue that several people in the home had access to his computer. Good luck with that. If I were his defense attorney, my response to reading the latest bail hearing doc would be to immediately look for mitigating factors in terms of the his sentencing, but hell, the death penalty isn't even on the table here, and digital and forensic evidence is already going to sink him for the Gilgo 4 , imo. I don't believe for a second that Tierney would agree to cut any kind of meaningful deal, unless it was something like, " Tell you what, if your client agrees to tell us about additional victims, we'll see about getting him real butter after his sentencing."

I would accept giving him a pat of butter for his bread in exchange for a list of all his victims, and I would expect all the families and communities would too.

jmo

 

[sds71]

A spokesperson for the Peconic River Sportsman’s Club confirmed to Team 12 Investigates that Heuermann was not a member, but that he did participate in a few high-powered rifle events.
The events were specific safety programs, called SAFS, that focus on gun safety and marksmanship for legal competition. They are sanctioned by the Civilian Marksmanship Program, a club spokesperson said.

The club confirmed Heuermann attended a competition in April 2009. About three months later in July 2009, he allegedly killed his fourth Gilgo Beach victim, Melissa Barthelemy.

More photos show Heuermann back at the club for another SAFS event in April 2010. In June and September of that year, police said he killed two more women—Megan Waterman and Amber Costello.

Exclusive: Never-before-seen photos show Rex Heuermann around the time of the Gilgo Beach killings

A spokesperson for the Peconic River Sportsman’s Club confirmed to Team 12 Investigates that Heuermann was not a member, but that he did participate in a few high-powered rifle events.

longisland.news12.com

 

[Just K]

I’m finally caught up here. At one point I was 30 pages behind. In between trying to catch up, I was looking at the older UID and ID’d cases that would definitely fit into RH’s history. I am more than a little sure that the Commonwealth of Virginia should look into the murder of Alicia Showalter (1996) and the disappearance of Samantha Clarke (Sept. 15, 2010) and the disappearance of Sage Smith a trans woman out of Charlottesville, VA.

“Samantha Ann Clarke is described as being 5’4” tall and weighing about 145 lbs. at the time of her disappearance. She has brown hair and brown eyes. She also has a Playboy bunny tattoo on her right arm, a Tigger tattoo on her right ankle, and two dolphin tattoos on her lower back.”
She was last seen with Randy Taylor and other men. Taylor has long been a suspect but given what may be the case that RH is a hunter who may stalk individuals and kill them right after being with someone else, I’d still consider him b/c Orange County VA includes Rt 15 and the Culpepper area. So, another straight shot to momma’s Palmyra home. Also the date she went missing is right after Amber was murdered.

Virginia mother desperate for answers eight years after daughter vanishes

Samantha Ann Clarke, then 19, was last seen just after midnight on September 14, 2010 at her home in Orange, Virginia. She left the house and never returned. Police suspect foul play.

www.nbcnews.com

Police still looking for Sage Smith's suspected killer nine years later

The Charlottesville Police Department says the person who likely killed a woman nine years ago is still missing.

www.cbs19news.com

Dashad "Sage" Smith was just 19-years-old when she vanished on Nov. 20, 2012.

She was last seen at around 6:30 p.m. on West Main Street. Her disappearance was initially classified as a missing persons case, but a few years later, it was changed to a homicide.

Ok, I’m working on a theory: After murders in NY, could RH have headed to his mother’s house in Palmyra, VA?

Alicia Showalter Reynolds disappeared on March 2nd, 1996.

Nearly three decades later, state police continue investigation into murder of Alicia Showalter Reynolds

Virginia State Police investigators continue to actively pursue the disappearance and homicide of Alicia Showalter Reynolds, nearly three decades after she was last seen alive.

www.insidenova.com

That was just after Karen Vergata disappeared and before his April wedding to pregnant AE.

Samantha Clarke (Orange County, VA) disappeared on September 12, 2010 just after Amber Costello was murdered. Samantha has never been found.

Sage Smith (Charlottesville, VA) disappeared, never to be found, on November 20, 2012. Do we know of any NY cases that occurred around that time that would fit with RH?

Do any UID or known murder victims happen in LI around 11/20/2012 that fit RH?

 

[fred&edna]

I wonder if RH was present at either of these events in April 2008 (Peconic and/or Camp Smith)

U.S. SERVICE RIFLE SMALL ARMS FIRING SCHOOLS(SAFS)SATURDAY & SUNDAY, April 12 & 13, 2008 at CAMP SMITHPEEKSKILL, NY- or -SATURDAY & SUNDAY, April 26 & 27, 2008 at the PECONICRIVER SPORTSMAN'S CLUB, MANORVILLE, NYSponsored by theNEW YORK STATE RIFLE & PISTOL ASSOCIATION (NYSRPA)Approved by theCIVILIAN MARKSMANSHIP PROGRAM (CMP)For the benefit ofTHE NEW YORK STATE JUNIOR HIGH POWER RIFLE TEAMA part of the proceeds from this event will be donated to theNYSRPA Junior Rifle ProgramSAFS TIMES: SATURDAY 8:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M., Seminar PhaseSUNDAY 8:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M., Range FiringStudents should arrive not later than 7:30 A.M. each day.

http://www.odcmp.org/0308/NYSAFS08.pdf

 

[sds71]

Ok, I’m working on a theory: After murders in NY, could RH have headed to his mother’s house in Palmyra, VA?

Alicia Showalter Reynolds disappeared on March 2nd, 1996.

Nearly three decades later, state police continue investigation into murder of Alicia Showalter Reynolds

Virginia State Police investigators continue to actively pursue the disappearance and homicide of Alicia Showalter Reynolds, nearly three decades after she was last seen alive.

www.insidenova.com

That was just after Karen Vergata disappeared and before his April wedding to pregnant AE.

Samantha Clarke (Orange County, VA) disappeared on September 12, 2010 just after Amber Costello was murdered. Samantha has never been found.

Sage Smith (Charlottesville, VA) disappeared, never to be found, on November 20, 2012. Do we know of any NY cases that occurred around that time that would fit with RH?

Do any UID or known murder victims happen in LI around 11/20/2012 that fit RH?

https://pix11.com/news/suspect-sketch-in-1996-virginia-murder-looks-like-accused-gilgo-killer-victims-family-says/

 

[Diddian]

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I wonder if RH was present at either of these events in April 2008 (Peconic and/or Camp Smith)

U.S. SERVICE RIFLE SMALL ARMS FIRING SCHOOLS(SAFS)SATURDAY & SUNDAY, April 12 & 13, 2008 at CAMP SMITHPEEKSKILL, NY- or -SATURDAY & SUNDAY, April 26 & 27, 2008 at the PECONICRIVER SPORTSMAN'S CLUB, MANORVILLE, NYSponsored by theNEW YORK STATE RIFLE & PISTOL ASSOCIATION (NYSRPA)Approved by theCIVILIAN MARKSMANSHIP PROGRAM (CMP)For the benefit ofTHE NEW YORK STATE JUNIOR HIGH POWER RIFLE TEAMA part of the proceeds from this event will be donated to theNYSRPA Junior Rifle ProgramSAFS TIMES: SATURDAY 8:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M., Seminar PhaseSUNDAY 8:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M., Range FiringStudents should arrive not later than 7:30 A.M. each day.

http://www.odcmp.org/0308/NYSAFS08.pdf

On the calendar excerpt from RH's Palm Pilot, there is also a notation for 5-6 pm on Monday, July 21, 2003 about a "PPC Match" (Police Pistol Combat) but does not indicate where.

From page 14 of the June 6, 2024 Superseding Bail Application document:

 

[tmurphy1130]

as far as looking at shooting ranges/places to shoot, gun shows, tournaments, places that teach instructor classes, I have found this website both helpful and overwhelming. I have the parameters set for a 50 mile radius of rh's zip code 11762. also to be noted, while long island seems very isolated from Connecticut, there are multiple cross long island sound ferry points that connect the north shore to CT and R.I. Rockland and northern Westchester counties (above White Plains/TZ bridge) are about an hour and a half away (weekend traffic but can definitely be higher). mind you, this is a guy who seemingly spent a lot of time driving around for work and probably wouldn't be dissuaded by a long ride.

another note about the pictures already posted. someone noted he was wearing dress shoes. going to or coming from work? why would he not at least change into boots? was he supposed to be there? Just some thoughts.

NRA clubs/resources

 

[fred&edna]

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On the calendar excerpt from RH's Palm Pilot, there is also a notation for 5-6 pm on Monday, July 21, 2003 about a "PPC Match" (Police Pistol Combat) but does not indicate where.

From page 14 of the June 6, 2024 Superseding Bail Application document:
View attachment 509600

Yes! I kinda' mentioned Camp Smith (and there was discussion of Palm Pilot info/Peconic/Derek) back here:

Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 6 murders, July 2023 #12

[bbm] it actually says 'black' You are correct. Thank you for pointing that out. In fact, it says, T-UNK (BLACK). I had written B-UNK by mistake. I'm thinking that stands for Target Unknown, Black. MOO.

www.websleuths.com

 

[Mountain_Kat]

A spokesperson for the Peconic River Sportsman’s Club confirmed to Team 12 Investigates that Heuermann was not a member, but that he did participate in a few high-powered rifle events.
The events were specific safety programs, called SAFS, that focus on gun safety and marksmanship for legal competition. They are sanctioned by the Civilian Marksmanship Program, a club spokesperson said.

The club confirmed Heuermann attended a competition in April 2009. About three months later in July 2009, he allegedly killed his fourth Gilgo Beach victim, Melissa Barthelemy.

More photos show Heuermann back at the club for another SAFS event in April 2010. In June and September of that year, police said he killed two more women—Megan Waterman and Amber Costello.

Exclusive: Never-before-seen photos show Rex Heuermann around the time of the Gilgo Beach killings

A spokesperson for the Peconic River Sportsman’s Club confirmed to Team 12 Investigates that Heuermann was not a member, but that he did participate in a few high-powered rifle events.

longisland.news12.com

Great ! So can some reporter please ask this club spokesman if John Bittrolff was ever a member ?

 

[SharD]

https://pix11.com/news/suspect-sketch-in-1996-virginia-murder-looks-like-accused-gilgo-killer-victims-family-says/

She was followed by a "man who banged his hands on the wheel of his truck."

The description of the perp doesn't say that he is an "ogre", though. "A medium built man of 5'10 to 6'0".

I assume RH has always been an "ogre."

 

[Diddian]

Yes! I kinda' mentioned Camp Smith (and there was discussion of Palm Pilot info/Peconic/Derek) back here:

Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 6 murders, July 2023 #12

[bbm] it actually says 'black' You are correct. Thank you for pointing that out. In fact, it says, T-UNK (BLACK). I had written B-UNK by mistake. I'm thinking that stands for Target Unknown, Black. MOO.

www.websleuths.com

Sorry - I am dropping in and out. (Doing a whole house remodel long distance and frequently have to focus on that.)

Did your mention go any further than that? I've been searching but cannot find any calendars that might help identify where that PPC Match was, but so far no luck.

As I understand, only members of LE are eligible to participate in PPC matches. So what might have been RH's role? Observer? Assist in some way? NRA Safety Officer? Judge?