Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[AugustWest]

John Ray didn't do this to VH. LE and Macedonio and Mitev did this to VH. Also, there is nothing to sue John Ray about. It's not defamation to draw connections between her work and what her father is accused of doing. Ironically, referencing Mind Hunter, Rex allegedly called his alleged murder scenes "paintings."

Respectfully snipped by me.

There is nothing to sue John Ray about? You sure about that? Because this is legally the very definition of slander.

(1) False statement - a 12 year old was involved in murder.
(2) Published - he has a press conference announcing it for goodness' sakes.
(3) Negligence - did not act with a reasonable level of care; it actually may be malicious.
(4) Damages - reputation.

 

[Deleted member 117884]

EXACTLY! At this point, since VH and her brother were minors raised by REH, a monster, they are victims until other evidence proves they later crossed that line. But, even then keep in mind if you were groomed to do so, is not the same as being a willing participant.
RH is a monster.

My hunch is Ray is going to go after AH and make her out to be a willing participant (or Stockholm Syndrome participant) who had a hand in grooming VH. I am not saying that is true, but, that is what I'm expecting Ray to do next.

jmo

 

[iamshadow21]

He gave his opinions on her art and her peacock deal.

She made her art. She signed the Peacock deal.

Did she grow up as a victim in a house of horrors? Very likely. It is alleged that Rex Heuermann did that to her.

LE resisted solving this case for decades. Only recently with the task force, headed up by a police commissioner who worked with John Ray, did we finally get real progress and an arrest.

If LE correctly investigated LISK and did not tolerate the Jimmy the King culture, John Ray would not be needed.

MOO

He also implied that VH's hair on Amber suggested her participation. A literal child who was not in the state at the time.

Chilling Details Revealed About Rex Heuermann's daughter

New details were revealed in the Gilgo Beach serial killings. Newsweek's live blog has ended.

www.newsweek.com

 

[x_files]

If she was involved it’s child abuse to the n:th degree.

I’m more concerned she may have been present at earlier murders since that may have been before VH could form long term reliable memories.

Perhaps RH groomed his wife/children into his lifestyle so they would FEAR even reporting him? He could have threatened them...but you were involved. I feel sick writing these words even. An extreme form of SEVERE abuse. They may feel attached to him and fear turning on him.
The PC was interesting but NONE of the ART is visible. What's the point of showing it only to be blurred out?

 

[Izzylizzy]

What about her social media accounts and copyrighting?
I thought if not copyrighted then your account's contents weren't protected.
Whenever there's a shooting etc if available the suspect's media contents are re-posted all the time.

 

[Ursamajr]

Great question.
Children are snoopy on their own or if he showed it to them on purpose.

Anyone have the article about Heuermann's coworker who claimed Rex called him over to his desk to look at a video and it was of a guy shooting himeself in the head? The coworker said he felt as if Rex did it to see the shock on his face. The article is eluding me right now.

 

[Deleted member 117884]

He also implied that VH's hair on Amber suggested her participation. A literal child who was not in the state at the time.

Chilling Details Revealed About Rex Heuermann's daughter

New details were revealed in the Gilgo Beach serial killings. Newsweek's live blog has ended.

www.newsweek.com

If he believes VH participated (willingly or likely unwillingly) or knew something, I wish Ray had been specific in addressing VH to say, "You were a child. You are a victim of a horrible person in your home. Please see that. Please tell us what you know and have seen over the years. If you need assistance understanding memories, we will help with that."

jmo

 

[iamshadow21]

Anyone have the article about Heuermann's coworker who claimed Rex called him over to his desk to look at a video and it was of a guy shooting himeself in the head? The coworker said he felt as if Rex did it to see the shock on his face.

And you can bet if he did it to his coworker, he did that to his family.

It in no way means his family participated in any of his crimes, just that he was a sadist who liked hurting and scaring others, which we already knew just from the bail documents.

MOO

 

[Deleted member 117884]

What about her social media accounts and copyrighting?
I thought if not copyrighted then your account's contents weren't protected.
Whenever there's a shooting etc if available the suspect's media contents are re-posted all the time.

I am not a copyright lawyer, but Ray was not displaying the artwork as his own and he wasn't making money from it. I think he was within the law showing it.

I'm willing to be corrected, though!

jmo

 

[fred&edna]

It's difficult to believe everything that anyone says inside or outside of this case (be they lawyers, victims or anything else). But, what I heard today is horrendously disturbing no matter how many ways I look at it. JMO

Sometimes art reflects life (or death) and sometimes it doesn't.

jmo

 

[Ruminations]

why does she/they need to release a statement that satisfies you? she owes us nothing and is considered a victim

Because she is allowing her attorney to release statements. She doesn't have to.

 

[snarast]

If he believes VH participated (willingly or likely unwillingly) or knew something, I wish Ray had been specific in addressing VH to say, "You were a child. You are a victim of a horrible person in your home. Please see that. Please tell us what you know and have seen over the years. If you need assistance understanding memories, we will help with that."

jmo

If Stockholm Syndrome is involved, that approach wouldn’t help at all.

 

[sds71]

That’s from Hannibal
Season 1

Apéritif (2013)

Hannibal (2013)

www.imdb.com

 

[Deleted member 117884]

If Stockholm Syndrome is involved, that approach wouldn’t help at all.

I think he's trying to jolt her out of Stockholm Syndrome.

jmo

 

[fidgeypie]

That’s from Hannibal
Season 1
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I really don't have a problem with this. If we didn't know what rex had done would we have a problem with it?

 

[indicolite22]

If she was involved it’s child abuse to the n:th degree.

I’m more concerned she may have been present at earlier murders since that may have been before VH could form long term reliable memories.

The family was out of town for all the murders attributed to RH so far. It is possible that her father's interests had an effect on VH, but we haven't seen any proof of the connection, other than the interests seemingly being normalized.

 

[LadyL]

Because she is allowing her attorney to release statements. She doesn't have to.

and? how does that affect us in any way?

 

[Ruminations]

And you can bet if he did it to his coworker, he did that to his family.

It in no way means his family participated in any of his crimes, just that he was a sadist who liked hurting and scaring others, which we already knew just from the bail documents.

MOO

But, you do see how that means the family "saw nothing, knows nothing" flies out the window?

VH doesn't have to say anything to us. But when people are saying on her behalf she knows nothing that is very different than just insisting on privacy. She might be very harmed by what she knows. But it is simply untrue that she knows nothing.

MOO

 

[fred&edna]

I really don't have a problem with this. If we didn't know what rex had done would we have a problem with it?

But, that's the HUGE problem.... we know what RH has done. (or, of course, alleged to have done)... which makes it soo disturbing. Isn't it difficult for most to forget what we have learned from those bail docs AND separate that from the reported VH online accounts?! Maybe not?

jmo

 

[Knitty]

Did JR give any indication of the age of the accounts where this artwork was displayed? I'm really curious how old VH was when she was started drawing these, and since other accounts were allegedly deleted, perhaps this tumblr account is the oldest.