Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[fred&edna]

I'm a bit surprised we haven't heard from others who had dealings with RH... particularly those in the gun/shooting clubs. jmo

 

[Forest_Wood]

3) Even if the family is shown to be away abduction through disposal of evidence, there would have to be clues like the construction and drain cleaning and burning and staining, possible new tires, old box of garbage bags, which was hardly used, has been replaced with a new package, etc. I get how hindsight is a different thing from knowing real time, and I know coercive control is likely, and can cause one to see what the controller wishes to be seen. So for this reason, I'd understand if the other residents of the house would not know what signs were signs. But they are witnesses and they have seen signs even if they don't know what they are. (In the spirit of presumption of innocence: what they saw, even if they can't identify it, could be exonerating evidence.)

I agree about the clues. For me, I can't help thinking about the lingering smells in that house. You know when you go away for a period of time and come home again; the first thing we notice is the smell of our environment. It smells like home!
For me, that would have been my first clue that something was off. The smell of blood or death from downstairs.The use of cleaning materials to clean up his play-time area. Getting them out of the house (dragging them upstairs? or maybe that door was used to the back yard to get them out of there). I cannot believe something, anything was never noticed to be out of place or unusual after any of her trips away. It defies logic imo.
MOO.

 

[SleutherGirl]

Could you imagine having to admit that you were his friend publicly, though? I can't blame them for staying quiet.

 

[SleutherGirl]

And what would they say? It's either going to be . . . "he hid it really well and I didn't suspect anything." or it's going to be ""Yeah old Rex, he's a creep. I totally knew he was a serial killer." In which case, why would you ever say that out loud to anybody.

 

[fred&edna]

Could you imagine having to admit that you were his friend publicly, though? I can't blame them for staying quiet.

Yes, I could. I graduated from high school with a gal who is on death row. She is the only female in the state on death row. We weren't best friends but we attended a very small school in a very small town. Everyone knew everyone, their extended family members, where they lived, etc. We were in the same "home room" all 4 years, and had classes together during that time. We chatted, attended a few of the same parties, football/basketball events, etc. I didn't commit her crimes and would never have suspected her of committing a horrific murder a few years after graduation. Do her crimes suggest I'm bad for knowing her?? So, that's why I'm surprised more haven't come forward.

ETA: I abhor the crimes she committed but I have compassion for her. Obviously, I don't mind telling people I know her.

jmo

 

[CuriousCricket]

Well, there are three things.

1) We don't know how long victims were kept alive, nor do we know how long they were kept deceased. (Jessica, happy heavenly birthday, sweet angel, is the only victim we have a clear clue as to possible torso disposal date.)

2) There is a highly credible question about the dates of the Atlantic City trip.

3) Even if the family is shown to be away abduction through disposal of evidence, there would have to be clues like the construction and drain cleaning and burning and staining, possible new tires, old box of garbage bags, which was hardly used, has been replaced with a new package, etc. I get how hindsight is a different thing from knowing real time, and I know coercive control is likely, and can cause one to see what the controller wishes to be seen. So for this reason, I'd understand if the other residents of the house would not know what signs were signs. But they are witnesses and they have seen signs even if they don't know what they are. (In the spirit of presumption of innocence: what they saw, even if they can't identify it, could be exonerating evidence.)

Don't confuse being a witness and being accused. They are different things.

MOO

The taskforce appears to be making charges they believe they can actually win in court.

 

[willy wagtail]

Well, there are three things.

1) We don't know how long victims were kept alive, nor do we know how long they were kept deceased. (Jessica, happy heavenly birthday, sweet angel, is the only victim we have a clear clue as to possible torso disposal date.)

2) There is a highly credible question about the dates of the Atlantic City trip.

3) Even if the family is shown to be away abduction through disposal of evidence, there would have to be clues like the construction and drain cleaning and burning and staining, possible new tires, old box of garbage bags, which was hardly used, has been replaced with a new package, etc. I get how hindsight is a different thing from knowing real time, and I know coercive control is likely, and can cause one to see what the controller wishes to be seen. So for this reason, I'd understand if the other residents of the house would not know what signs were signs. But they are witnesses and they have seen signs even if they don't know what they are. (In the spirit of presumption of innocence: what they saw, even if they can't identify it, could be exonerating evidence.)

Don't confuse being a witness and being accused. They are different things.

MOO

So burlap used as it didn't carry fingerprint evidence?

 

[Izzylizzy]

You could be correct. Your explanation sounds plausible to me.

On a legal note... maybe his attorney will suggest he suffered a disorder similar to Jekyll/Hyde dual-personality and Mr Hyde wrote the evil misspelled documents? Assuming such a disorder does exist. Or maybe the defense will argue RH couldn't have written the documents with misspelled words because he's fastidious?

jmo

Don't give Brown any ideas. lol

 

[CuriousCricket]

She hasn't been identified as his first wife, but that's the assumption based on when RH was married to his first wife. Witness 3 surfaced during the last superseding bail application.

Since RH and first wife reportedly separated soon after they married and they divorced in '93, I'm guessing it's a different woman.

 

[Just K]

Since RH and first wife reportedly separated soon after they married and they divorced in '93, I'm guessing it's a different woman.

She did live in the Target House, though. The hair could have laid about for a long time.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Yes, I could. I graduated from high school with a gal who is on death row. She is the only female in the state on death row. We weren't best friends but we attended a very small school in a very small town. Everyone knew everyone, their extended family members, where they lived, etc. We were in the same "home room" all 4 years, and had classes together during that time. We chatted, attended a few of the same parties, football/basketball events, etc. I didn't commit her crimes and would never have suspected her of committing a horrific murder a few years after graduation. Do her crimes suggest I'm bad for knowing her?? So, that's why I'm surprised more haven't come forward.

ETA: I abhor the crimes she committed but I have compassion for her.

jmo

It's no reflection on you at all. Of course, it is odd none of his hunting buddies or friends have spoken. I'd think they'd be paid nicely by media for that information too.
MOO.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Since RH and first wife reportedly separated soon after they married and they divorced in '93, I'm guessing it's a different woman.

Oh really? IIRC the superseding bail document said she moved out in Sept '93. And his mother had moved out earlier that same year. I can't recall when his first marriage was, can you?

 

[fred&edna]

And what would they say? It's either going to be . . . "he hid it really well and I didn't suspect anything." or it's going to be ""Yeah old Rex, he's a creep. I totally knew he was a serial killer." In which case, why would you ever say that out loud to anybody.

Maybe they could say, "Yes, he was an excellent marksman." OR "He was a terrible shot" OR "He was a great shooter but was difficult to get along with." Heck, I'm interested in any insights into the life, behaviors, habits of a serial killer who had a torture chamber in his basement, brutally killed at least 6 victims, and wasn't caught for years. A killer who lived in a ramshackle house for years with three other family members, and kept his day-job with nary an obvious hitch.

jmo

 

[dotr]

Maybe RH wrote his manifesto in the dark, maybe even while sitting outside in his car?
Capitol letters are easier to see and to type some things, maybe more so when only using one hand.
Could it be a change in writing style when altered by alcohol or other?
speculation, imo, fwiw

 

[CuriousCricket]

She did live in the Target House, though. The hair could have laid about for a long time.

Did the wife live in the house? Wasn't RH living in Freeport when they married? Witness #3 did live in the target house. Yes, found it, RH was in Freeport in 1990, the year he married. Perhaps when he and wife split, he moved back to his family home, then moved another woman in. I'm fairly sure LE has indicated that Witness #3 was not the ex-wife.

 

[snooptroop88]

Impossible for it to be either of the named services. The document predates both by many, many years.

MOO

Agreed, and if it were the case that he used some primitive version of such an app/service, I would think the document wouldn't just have "several" errors, it would be absolutely riddled with them. I think he really is just a bad speller.

 

[snooptroop88]

Did the wife live in the house? Wasn't RH living in Freeport when they married? Witness #3 did live in the target house. Yes, found it, RH was in Freeport in 1990, the year he married. Perhaps when he and wife split, he moved back to his family home, then moved another woman in. I'm fairly sure LE has indicated that Witness #3 was not the ex-wife.

Wondering about this too, I still have a feeling that's his ex -wife but some are saying no. It will be extremely interesting either way, but I'd find it even more so if it's not the ex-wife.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Maybe they could say, "Yes, he was an excellent marksman." OR "He was a terrible shot" OR "He was a great shooter but was difficult to get along with." Heck, I'm interested in any insights into the life, behaviors, habits of a serial killer who had a torture chamber in his basement, brutally killed at least 6 victims, and wasn't caught for years. A killer who lived in a ramshackle house for years with three other family members, and kept his day-job with nary an obvious hitch.

jmo

There must be someone, somewhere who might have a nice thing to say about RH.
We've heard next to nothing from anyone who once knew him, mostly his neighbors or associates/employees, a former student from his school.
When I watched him in that video where he was interviewed, to me he just seemed like a big galoot, nerdy, awkward.
IMO

 

[Diddian]

And maybe the misspelling came in later??' I am talking blind here....I personally did not take time to really study his misspellings
I was merely commenting on the possibility of speech recognition.
But honestly, the earlier the device the more misspelled !!!

I summarized the misspellings:

Spelling issue (corrected spelling in parentheses):

Miss-leaders (misleaders)
Platic (plastic)
Lie (lye)
Scaner (scanner)
Durn can (burn can)
Ratched cargo strap (rachet cargo strap)
Dumster (dumpster)
Distroy (destroy)
Drop clothes (drop cloths)
Distroy (destroy)
Platic bas (plastic bags)
Trace evendice (trace evidence)
Tatoos (tattoos)
Tourture (torture)
Creats problems (creates problems)
Drop clothes (drop cloths)
Hevey rope (heavy rope)
Tightend (tightened)
Originanized vs disoriginanized (organized vs disorganized)
Subtitution (substitution)
Muiltition = Disoriginanizeded (mutilation = disorganized)

 

[CuriousCricket]

Wondering about this too, I still have a feeling that's his ex -wife but some are saying no. It will be extremely interesting either way, but I'd find it even more so if it's not the ex-wife.

Indeed. Plus, I'm wondering why RH's mother would move out of her longtime home. Was the couple arguing all the time? Did it get violent? Just have to wonder.