Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Forest_Wood]

Brown was already representing RH on July 14,2023 so it very well could have been him who orchestrated the Macedonio/Asa connection over that weekend.


"Heuermann, who was arrested near his New York City office last Thursday, was assigned to Brown, a criminal defense attorney based out of Suffolk County. Brown said he first met with Heuermann at the arraignment on Friday after his arrest."

Suspected Gilgo Beach killer appeared 'traumatized' after arrest: Defense attorney

Rex Heuermann's defense attorney spoke exclusively with ABC News on Tuesday in front of the Suffolk County courthouse.

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Who assigned Brown? Was it the court, because of no money, no assets? I find it so odd that this guy living a life with a middle or upper level income would be assigned a lawyer for free (or does he have to pay?).
Odder yet is that all these attorneys are interconnected.
Tierney. Brown. Macedonio. Mitev. John Ray.
Tierney worked alongside Brown in the DA office when Brown started his career.
Brown shared a legal practice with Macedonio for a decade.
Macedonio started his career in the DA office at the same time as Brown and Tierney.
Ray shared a legal practice with Mitev.
All these frenemies involved in this case.
MOO.
ETA: John Ray was a history teacher before becoming a lawyer. This makes more sense to me that he has become a historian of these murders then.
Source: Reddit RexHeuermann

 

[Forest_Wood]

JMO, that was highly unusual. Perhaps Macedonio was refusing to allow Suffolk PD to interview them? It's odd because, in a way, they're all on the same team or at least part of the same law enforcement family.

I can imagine LE having thoroughly followed her every move, maybe every phone call?, in that year they were surveilling RH too, so perhaps they concluded from that they didn't need to interview further? They did originally meet with her though when she supposedly said, "It is what it is". So there was at least an informal interview.
MOO.

 

[Forest_Wood]

there's a picture at this link of the garage supposedly after they put the belongings back in ... no room for vehicles

Rex Heuermann’s family releases photos of ravaged home after cops wrecked house

Rex Heuermann’s family reveal the mess that was left behind after authorities tore through the house after two weeks of search warrants.

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I think he took the victims in through the back basement entrance that goes directly down into his 'dungeon' - picture at the link below (assuming it was possible to enter the backyard from either side of the house)

NY cops end search of Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann’s home, family can move back in

Cops have pulled whatever evidence they could from the “very cluttered” Long Island property of accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann.

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I can see him backing that truck right up to the garage, with his covered bed not visible to anyone, and bringing the girls, at night under darkness, around the house, down those rear steps, into the basement, that he had already prepared with his torture workings (drop cloth, tools, stage, table, ropes, etc). They wouldn't ever have been in the main part of the home in that case.
MOO.

 

[CuriousCricket]

I can imagine LE having thoroughly followed her every move, maybe every phone call?, in that year they were surveilling RH too, so perhaps they concluded from that they didn't need to interview further? They did originally meet with her though when she supposedly said, "It is what it is". So there was at least an informal interview.
MOO.

Plus, we know she had a DNA cheek swab. So, did she likely go to the Police Station for that? Or would LE have been prepared when they first went to tell her of RH's arrest?

 

[Ruminations]

Is sad tho all people at firm, incl daughter lost jobs tho, right? All the clients scrambling to find new Architect. The family members are having to retain $$$ lawyers. I have many opinions on family, but as a whole, it is so tragic in so many ways. Cannot wait for 50cent doc to air. So little info put out.

I don't know how, but Rex had a public defender. We don't know who is paying the attorneys for the family. They might just be satisfied with their own contracts with Peacock plus favors old and new. We have just been reminded that Spota allowed Macedonio to practice law after cocaine and bribe convictions.

I'm not at all comfortable with this documentary situation and I will not be watching it.

There is something very wrong about a witness saying she has nothing of value to say to LE, but has a million dollar statement for Peacock.

MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

If the victim was in the cab, then placed in the rear seat area and then rear covered tailgate compartment (via the above pass through fold down) - then backing the truck into driveway and could have had access to the garage via the opened tailgate. (From some other video of the quarters, I would be amazed if that small garage was empty….. or empty enough to contain that full-sized vehicle.)

This is what I'm thinking too. Although, I was checking pictures of his vehicles, and it shows him driving in forwards, not backwards. Typically people park the same way consistently (either they back in or drive in forward). So now I'm questioning that. MOO.

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann’s Chevy that led to arrest was often parked in plain sight

One of the murdered women’s pimps told cops about a john driving Chevy Avalanche just like the one registered to the suspected serial killer — which Heuermann kept parked outside his ho…

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[Ruminations]

I can see him backing that truck right up to the garage, with his covered bed not visible to anyone, and bringing the girls, at night under darkness, around the house, down those rear steps, into the basement, that he had already prepared with his torture workings (drop cloth, tools, stage, table, ropes, etc). They wouldn't ever have been in the main part of the home in that case.
MOO.

Most ranches like that house have interior stairs to the basement. It is usually where the laundry room and workshop area would be, if it's not fully living space.

MOO

 

[eishish]

I can imagine LE having thoroughly followed her every move, maybe every phone call?, in that year they were surveilling RH too, so perhaps they concluded from that they didn't need to interview further? They did originally meet with her though when she supposedly said, "It is what it is". So there was at least an informal interview.
MOO.

It is what it is.

I don't know how, but Rex had a public defender. We don't know who is paying the attorneys for the family. They might just be satisfied with their own contracts with Peacock plus favors old and new. We have just been reminded that Spota allowed Macedonio to practice law after cocaine and bribe convictions.

I'm not at all comfortable with this documentary situation and I will not be watching it.

There is something very wrong about a witness saying she has nothing of value to say to LE, but has a million dollar statement for Peacock.

MOO

Yes, was really focusing on all ar NYC firm that is closed? No monies for them. As far as docu, wild that 50s lawyer is same as family. Yes, know re the coke, etc. Ty

 

[eishish]

Who assigned Brown? Was it the court, because of no money, no assets? I find it so odd that this guy living a life with a middle or upper level income would be assigned a lawyer for free (or does he have to pay?).
Odder yet is that all these attorneys are interconnected.
Tierney. Brown. Macedonio. Mitev. John Ray.
Tierney worked alongside Brown in the DA office when Brown started his career.
Brown shared a legal practice with Macedonio for a decade.
Macedonio started his career in the DA office at the same time as Brown and Tierney.
Ray shared a legal practice with Mitev.
All these frenemies involved in this case.
MOO.
ETA: John Ray was a history teacher before becoming a lawyer. This makes sense to me that he has become a historian of these murders then.
Source: Reddit RexHeuermann

I just figured his guns, his business and all other income wld pay his legal fees. Those guns alone are worth 1000s, the biz, wow, who knows how much. The amt of interconnected people is amazing, but it is a county, so...

 

[Forest_Wood]

RE: Victims going into the house.

I think people are overestimating the perceptiveness of neighbors. When is the last time you noticed a neighbor carrying groceries? Personally speaking, if I saw a woman walking into a house late at night, I wouldn't put too much pass on it. My first assumption would be that they are a friend or relative. The victims were all sex workers. Sex workers understand that they need to be discreet. They likely visited the homes of married men many times in the past. There have been many serial killers who murdered sex workers inside their homes, and in all of those cases, the victim willingly went back with them under the pretense that it was just an ordinary outcall. I think that performing the "takedown" outside of the residence is even riskier from his perspective.

There were some reports of neighbors seeing odd things from RH, like him burning things in the middle of the night in his back yard. And him sitting in his truck late at night. So they weren't oblivious. And once a person gets a reputation in the community for doing odd things, others become more on the lookout too. With the onset of neighborhood watches and online neighborhood e-lists, communities are more connected to the goings-on around them. It was reported they were a tight-knit neighborhood of law enforcement, and service people who are trained to notice things.
However, these surveillance techniques may not have been as common 20 years ago.
I agree I think the takedown outside residence would be very risky.
MOO.

 

[x_files]

Haven't we wondered why Megan Waterman changed hotels? Now from his planning docu, I suspect it was because the first one was unacceptable as a pick-up location because of cameras. My guess is that RH directed her to another hotel with fewer/no security cams. As for hitting harder, perhaps he did go to a secluded location, then knock the SWs out. That would be necessary to bind them and put them either in the back of the pickup or in the floorboard on the passenger side. He could keep an eye on them here. But with the locked bed on the Avalanche, even if a victim came to during the drive, she could not get out, nor would she have been seen when he pulled into his driveway and into the garage. In my opinion, getting the women into the house was not a problem as they were out-of-sight in the vehicle and he drove into the garage, put the door down and unloaded them. Perhaps they were bagged or wrapped in plastic for transport through the house so they would not leave DNA.

Just trying to imagine scenarios here. Complete speculation, of course.

Transporting them via the garage vs walking them in the front door makes more sense, to avoid snoopy neighbors overhearing him coming in late at night with guests when his family was on vacation.

 

[wcasewatch]

There were some reports of neighbors seeing odd things from RH, like him burning things in the middle of the night in his back yard. And him sitting in his truck late at night. So they weren't oblivious. And once a person gets a reputation in the community for doing odd things, others become more on the lookout too. With the onset of neighborhood watches and online neighborhood e-lists, communities are more connected to the goings-on around them. It was reported they were a tight-knit neighborhood of law enforcement, and service people who are trained to notice things.
However, these surveillance techniques may not have been as common 20 years ago.
I agree I think the takedown outside residence would be very risky.
MOO.

They definitely saw him doing a few strange things. But it's also clear that they missed a lot. Judging by the bail doc for Maureen's murder and his Google search history, Heuermann continued to bring sex workers back to his home whenever his wife was away. I'd imagine that he was pretty prolific in that regard. And yet there doesn't seem to be any reports of him bringing back strange women. My guess is that he brought them back at a time when most people were asleep. Many of the nights appeared to be on weekdays.

It appears as though he was able to satiate his urges by hiring sex workers who advertised BDSM services.

 

[x_files]

It said she described him as wearing very dirty clothes. I read it somewhere in all these threads.

If his clothes were "dirty" could he have been burying something at the park?

 

[Ruminations]

I can imagine LE having thoroughly followed her every move, maybe every phone call?, in that year they were surveilling RH too, so perhaps they concluded from that they didn't need to interview further? They did originally meet with her though when she supposedly said, "It is what it is". So there was at least an informal interview.
MOO.

They would need a warrant to monitor her phone calls or activities she thought she was doing in private. LE did mention monitoring VH without a warrant while on public trans, etc. pole cameras on the house would also not need a warrant and would pick up the whole family coming and going.

I would doubt there was a warranted search or surveillance of Asa's devices; there has been no hint of it. OTOH, it is possible that they have or have had a warrant to monitor her and we don't know it. It is a county that likes to keep the cards close to the chest.

It could have been a ruse when Harrison said they were shocked and ashamed. He did keep phrasing it as an opinion. "If you ask me...."

MOO

 

[x_files]

Good question.

Heaven (or hell) only knows how he might have rid his torture chamber of any lingering odors IF he adhered to his list of no air/sound in and no air/sound out, and at least used kitty litter (although I'm not sure exactly how effective kitty litter is on smells). Maybe he learned of other methods to aerate the basement? You'd think someone would smell something "off" but ??? Also, even if he took bodies to one of his storage units for an interim period ... one would assume there would be a smell. Maybe he used refrigeration/a freezer at some point in time??

jmo

He had to have purchased a lot of lime.
But didn't Gacy bury victims' bodies under his house and his wife never noticed the smell? Which I find off the wall BIZARRE!
No mention of the house stinking or smelling bad yer from friends, or family investigators. I think he took them somewhere to decay and did not keep them at his house.

 

[x_files]

Right- I see that as "She's not talking until you charge her or put her on the witness stand. And by the way, she's not talking if you charge her, either, but we welcome the discovery."

MOO

That doesn't sound like fully cooperating to me.

 

[james1962]

If his clothes were "dirty" could he have been burying something at the park?

That was my first thought maybe he wasn't even after her just trying to keep people away from that area

 

[fred&edna]

I don't know what Burke had stolen from his vehicle but...

There are those who collect really horrible B porn movies from the 70's like The Slaughter (1971) and Snuff (1975). No, no, no those aren't actually snuff films (and everyone understands) but x-rated film producers/makers loved to film and promote them to those with that idea in mind.

Snuff (1975) ⭐ 2.8 | Horror

1h 20m | X

www.imdb.com

jmo

 

[Ruminations]

That doesn't sound like fully cooperating to me.

It is fully legal. So if I were LE, the way I'd make the best of that non-cooperation by cheerfully reporting she's fully cooperating.

The tell is, she's not "helping." "Cooperating," can be worthless to an investigator.

How many times in websleuths do people have to snip-snap when there are complaints about witnesses apparent silence? They have a right to a lawyer! They don't have to talk to police!

Of course! And I am happy I live in a country where LE can't compel me to talk to them. I would hire an attorney if, for instance, I were the spouse of a high profile alleged criminal. I'd want a y mouthpiece to express grief for the victims and to ask that all press inquiries go through the lawyer/sookesperson. I probably would not want the spokesperson to say anything to worsen my spouse's legal situation, unless it protected mine, or unless there were an imminent safety issue.

But when someone is exercising their rights, that does not shield them from criticism if they appear to fail to provide help they could provide. Not when they have made themselves a public figure. Anything said in public is fair game for public opinion.

MOO

 

[fred&edna]

He had to have purchased a lot of lime.
But didn't Gacy bury victims' bodies under his house and his wife never noticed the smell? Which I find off the wall BIZARRE!
No mention of the house stinking or smelling bad yer from friends, or family investigators. I think he took them somewhere to decay and did not keep them at his house.

"That odor from the heat, from the crawl space," Albrecht reflected to WMAQ-TV. "Bob said right away, it smelled like a morgue!"

Gacy displayed a seemingly limitless ability to explain away things. When his second wife, Carole, whom he'd divorce in 1975, would complain about the smell emanating from beneath their home, he would chalk it up to a sewage issue, enlisting workers at his contracting company to spread hundreds of pounds of lyme in the crawl space in an effort to conceal the stench.

'Smelled Like A Morgue!' The Brazen (And Stupid) Way That John Wayne Gacy Got Caught | Oxygen

Serial killers aren't generally known for being modest. It takes a high degree of narcissism to live outside the scope of basic human decency and John Wayne Gacy was no exception. Throughout his adult life, he positioned himself as a pillar of the community and basked in his supposed political...

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