Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[windrower]

Could be. Thanks for posting this.

I notice a few things. The spelling is similar to the blueprint spelling. I don't think his spelling is particularly relevant. He just has different standards for notes to himself.

Derek gets picked up at an airport early Wednesday morning, WIFE (aside: Objectify much? Her first name is shorter than 'WIFE,' and her initials are shorter still) leaves Sunday. Then Derek has 6x6 to cut on the next Sunday.

Rex says he make furniture. Maybe he just means crude tables for torture. Maybe he made that rather nice bench on the porch. But either way, I bet he can cut his own 6x6

Derek flew into town, according to this. He is close enough that Rex is his ride from the airport. Since the likely airports are in Queens and traffic is lighter in July, it could be Rex drove to work and stopped at the airport on the way. By the time Derek is cutting wood at Rex's house, Derek has been in town for a week and a half. Meanwhile, Rex's work schedule is lighter the week WIFE is out of town than the previous week.

MOO

Edited to add another point: Nobody that I know about has questioned these check in dates at smugglers notch. The rather credible questions are about the check in dates in Atlantic City around the time MBB disappeared and was murdered.

I do think it's weird that Rex noted both the name of the resort and the state. It's a place that if you know it,you know it, and "Vermont" is just redundant.

MOO

Thanks, I edited it. 6x6 is pretty big. Much too strong for a murder table. I also added that these were not the check in dates that have been questioned.

On the Wednesday of the previous week, the first thing on the agenda is "pick up Derek at airport 6:00."

Thinking about it, like mentioning Smugglers' Notch and Vermont seeming redundant, mentioning airport without specifying which one seems weird. There are small airports on LI, but most affordable flights will go to the biggies in Queens, LaGuardia or JFK. But "airport" can mean 2-3 places. If Derek is a person who routinely flies a certain route on a certain airline to a certain airport, it seems more natural to leave out the airport name and jot down the flight number and scheduled arrival time. If it's not routine, specifying the airport seems like a good idea to me, as well as airline and flight number. This is before smart phones. It was up to the person picking up to make sure the plane was really going to land on time if they didn't want to get stuck driving around an airport a rocks throw from the relatively recent 911 attack. There was no (still is no) tolerance for "standing" vehicles. And traffic is terrible.

MOO

Bbm (Ruminations, thank you for your many contributions to WS threads.)

I’m curious about the text bolded above, because the entry in the date book for Wednesday 7/16/2003 says “pick up derek at 6 am for airport.”

I interpret “for the airport” to mean he took someone TO the airport, instead of picking up someone.

Has the entry been clarified and it is now known to mean he picked up a Derek?

Maybe Derek is a local who he took to the airport, and someone else picked up Derek from the airport when he returned?

IMO

It would sure be nice to know who this Derek is.

 

[Teche]

But those aren't that big, are they? I looked at the ones on the porch now and they're just two pieces of lumber sistered together. Zoom in

Neighbors react to Gilgo Beach serial killings suspect Rex Heuermann’s arrest: ‘I’m not surprised’

Neighbors of the New York City architect arrested in connection with the grisly “Gilgo Four” murders say the Long Island resident seemed “regular.”

nypost.com

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The neighboring homes appear to be neat & clean whereas RH’s home needs a tremendous amount of work. There are Christmas lights on the bush and the newspaper article is dated July 2023.
Was the community incorporated? Were there no complaints?

 

[snarast]

The neighboring homes appear to be neat & clean whereas RH’s home needs a tremendous amount of work. There are Christmas lights on the bush and the newspaper article is dated July 2023.
Was the community incorporated? Were there no complaints?

About xmas lights? That’s a little…much. I mean, it’s really clear they don’t have the time/energy, so complaining is a moot point. Maybe you have to have had a bottomless pit of anxiety and depression in your life to get how that can come about, idk.

Besides I’m guessing RH would have gotten back at whoever spoke up with factual complaints since he knows allll the codes.

 

[snooptroop88]

What's the situation with "campsmith matches"? There's a "campsmith match" Sunday 7/13. He's picking up Derek 6am 7/16 "for airport" (agreed this sounds like he's taking someone from the area to the airport). Derek appears again 7/27 for the posts, and the last entry for that day is another "campsmith match."

This Camp Smith? "Camp Smith is a military installation of the New York Army National Guard in Cortlandt Manor near Peekskill, NY, about 30 miles north of New York City, at the northern border of Westchester County, and consists of 1,560 acres....Camp Smith has a number of training assets, such as training areas, outdoor ranges and simulators that are available to military units, law enforcement agencies, government and civilian organizations."

Was trying to find out how RH would get access since it sounds like it's mostly for the military, and saw they have some kind of employer program (ESGR) that allows bosses of employees in the service to attend.

Okay, and just found this:
Announcing the
2003 U.S. Service Rifle Clinics
M1, M14, M1A, M16, and AR15
SMALL ARMS FIRING SCHOOLS
You get one on one training so even if this is the first time you have held a rifle you'll be OK. Class room training is the first part of your training so you will know everything that you need to know about shooting and being safe before you go to the range.
(It is rumored that some instructors first job was with Gen. George Washington's troops.)

THE CAMP SMITH, APRIL 12 AND 13TH HAS BEEN MOVED BECAUSE OF THE WAR TO
Black Rock Fish and Game Club
At two locations:
Camp Smith April 12 & 13th
May 3rd & 4th
Peconic River Sportsman's Club, Manorville, L.I., May 3rd & 4th
Open to NRA members, U.S. Armed Forces, and Juniors 14 to 19 years old. (NRA membership not required for armed forces or juniors)
Adults: $50.00, U.S. Armed Forces $40.00, Juniors $25.00
M1, AR15 rifles and a limited amount of equipment will be available for loan to students free of charge, or bring your own M1, M1A, or AR15.
Sponsored by the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association and approved by the Civilian Marksmanship Program.

Civilian Marksmanship Program by Orange County NY Shooters

www.ocshooters.com

===================================================================================
Interesting that at this date in May 2003 they were hosting per se Camp Smith events in Manorville. So I'd assume that when we see "Camp Smith" for this July timeframe RH is referencing, he may actually be in Manorville then as well.

 

[eishish]

What's the situation with "campsmith matches"? There's a "campsmith match" Sunday 7/13. He's picking up Derek 6am 7/16 "for airport" (agreed this sounds like he's taking someone from the area to the airport). Derek appears again 7/27 for the posts, and the last entry for that day is another "campsmith match."

This Camp Smith? "Camp Smith is a military installation of the New York Army National Guard in Cortlandt Manor near Peekskill, NY, about 30 miles north of New York City, at the northern border of Westchester County, and consists of 1,560 acres....Camp Smith has a number of training assets, such as training areas, outdoor ranges and simulators that are available to military units, law enforcement agencies, government and civilian organizations."

Was trying to find out how RH would get access since it sounds like it's mostly for the military, and saw they have some kind of employer program (ESGR) that allows bosses of employees in the service to attend.

Okay, and just found this:
Announcing the
2003 U.S. Service Rifle Clinics
M1, M14, M1A, M16, and AR15
SMALL ARMS FIRING SCHOOLS
You get one on one training so even if this is the first time you have held a rifle you'll be OK. Class room training is the first part of your training so you will know everything that you need to know about shooting and being safe before you go to the range.
(It is rumored that some instructors first job was with Gen. George Washington's troops.)

THE CAMP SMITH, APRIL 12 AND 13TH HAS BEEN MOVED BECAUSE OF THE WAR TO
Black Rock Fish and Game Club
At two locations:
Camp Smith April 12 & 13th
May 3rd & 4th
Peconic River Sportsman's Club, Manorville, L.I., May 3rd & 4th
Open to NRA members, U.S. Armed Forces, and Juniors 14 to 19 years old. (NRA membership not required for armed forces or juniors)
Adults: $50.00, U.S. Armed Forces $40.00, Juniors $25.00
M1, AR15 rifles and a limited amount of equipment will be available for loan to students free of charge, or bring your own M1, M1A, or AR15.
Sponsored by the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association and approved by the Civilian Marksmanship Program.

Civilian Marksmanship Program by Orange County NY Shooters

www.ocshooters.com

===================================================================================
Interesting that at this date in May 2003 they were hosting per se Camp Smith events in Manorville. So I'd assume that when we see "Camp Smith" for this July timeframe RH is referencing, he may actually be in Manorville then as well.

Wasn't a body part found at the camp?

 

[eishish]

What's the situation with "campsmith matches"? There's a "campsmith match" Sunday 7/13. He's picking up Derek 6am 7/16 "for airport" (agreed this sounds like he's taking someone from the area to the airport). Derek appears again 7/27 for the posts, and the last entry for that day is another "campsmith match."

This Camp Smith? "Camp Smith is a military installation of the New York Army National Guard in Cortlandt Manor near Peekskill, NY, about 30 miles north of New York City, at the northern border of Westchester County, and consists of 1,560 acres....Camp Smith has a number of training assets, such as training areas, outdoor ranges and simulators that are available to military units, law enforcement agencies, government and civilian organizations."

Was trying to find out how RH would get access since it sounds like it's mostly for the military, and saw they have some kind of employer program (ESGR) that allows bosses of employees in the service to attend.

Okay, and just found this:
Announcing the
2003 U.S. Service Rifle Clinics
M1, M14, M1A, M16, and AR15
SMALL ARMS FIRING SCHOOLS
You get one on one training so even if this is the first time you have held a rifle you'll be OK. Class room training is the first part of your training so you will know everything that you need to know about shooting and being safe before you go to the range.
(It is rumored that some instructors first job was with Gen. George Washington's troops.)

THE CAMP SMITH, APRIL 12 AND 13TH HAS BEEN MOVED BECAUSE OF THE WAR TO
Black Rock Fish and Game Club
At two locations:
Camp Smith April 12 & 13th
May 3rd & 4th
Peconic River Sportsman's Club, Manorville, L.I., May 3rd & 4th
Open to NRA members, U.S. Armed Forces, and Juniors 14 to 19 years old. (NRA membership not required for armed forces or juniors)
Adults: $50.00, U.S. Armed Forces $40.00, Juniors $25.00
M1, AR15 rifles and a limited amount of equipment will be available for loan to students free of charge, or bring your own M1, M1A, or AR15.
Sponsored by the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association and approved by the Civilian Marksmanship Program.

Civilian Marksmanship Program by Orange County NY Shooters

www.ocshooters.com

===================================================================================
Interesting that at this date in May 2003 they were hosting per se Camp Smith events in Manorville. So I'd assume that when we see "Camp Smith" for this July timeframe RH is referencing, he may actually be in Manorville then as well.

Babylon southard park, newish find, march

 

[FromGermany1]

The note on the calendar says “pick up Derek at 6 am for airport.” Not FROM airport.

Without knowing more, we cannot know if that means Derek was departing by air, arriving by air, or picking something up at the airport.

Given the early morning hour, I think it more likely RH was giving Derek a ride to the airport for an early morning departing flight. And given that, I think it likely Derek lives in the area, temporarily flew out, but had returned sometime in the intervening week or so to be at RH’s for the cutting of the post (if in fact Derek did that and the notation was not simply to provide cover to the sound of RH using the band saw to cut something substantial).

Perhaps RH picked Derek up at the airport when Derek returned and didn’t put it in his calendar, or perhaps Derek found another means of getting home from the airport when he returned.

What if RH and Derek both drove to an airport (RH had to pick him up for that) and neither Derek nor RH had a flight, but together did something (what?) and returned to Massapequa? Did they pick up freight perhaps, only to be handled by 2 people?

 

[eishish]

Wasn't a body part found at the camp?

Cannot believe the post 1970, lured in to prostitution. He wld have been very young...

 

[Betty P]

Babylon southard park, newish find, march

Is there a link? TIA

 

[snooptroop88]

Is there a link? TIA

NY authorities still seeking clues into teen death in 1970

New York State Police continue to investigate the death of a New Jersey teenager whose body was found nearly a half century ago in the lower Hudson Valley

www.njherald.com

 

[Betty P]

NY authorities still seeking clues into teen death in 1970

New York State Police continue to investigate the death of a New Jersey teenager whose body was found nearly a half century ago in the lower Hudson Valley

www.njherald.com

Rex would have been age 5.

 

[SharD]

The table may also be a way for RH to explain "cutting sounds" coming from his basement, if anyone ever asked him about it. Then he had something to show for it; "look, I was making this."

 

[dotr]

]

NY authorities still seeking clues into teen death in 1970

New York State Police continue to investigate the death of a New Jersey teenager whose body was found nearly a half century ago in the lower Hudson Valley

www.njherald.com

Going to give that thread a little bump..

NY - NY - Alice Lezan, 15, Manhattan, 26 September 1969

http://www.lohud.com/story/news/crime/2014/05/06/crime-scene-girl-dumped-cortlandt-years-ago/8762503/ On March 17, 1970, a boy walking in the woods off Bear Mountain Bridge Road near Camp Smith in Cortlandt came across a body in a red sleeping bag at the bottom of a 60-foot drop. He said it...

www.websleuths.com

 

[Ruminations]

The table may also be a way for RH to explain "cutting sounds" coming from his basement, if anyone ever asked him about it. Then he had something to show for it; "look, I was making this."

It would make sense for Rex to hire someone like a Derek, whoever he is, to help on some project. Then Rex could take credit for the work to account for his time.

In addition to explaining noises.

Good catch on picking up Derek for the airport. It could mean either a drop off or pick up. I read it as a typo- I think it means from. But it's wholely ambiguous.

If it means he's giving Derek a ride to the airport, I guess he's picking him up from home somewhere?

MOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

The neighboring homes appear to be neat & clean whereas RH’s home needs a tremendous amount of work. There are Christmas lights on the bush and the newspaper article is dated July 2023.
Was the community incorporated? Were there no complaints?

Why oh why would someone who goes to the utmost extremes to not be traced and get caught for his heinous crimes draw attention to his dilapidated home therefore drawing attention to himself ?
It's diametrically opposed.

 

[FromGermany1]

Why oh why would someone who goes to the utmost extremes to not be traced and get caught for his heinous crimes draw attention to his dilapidated home therefore drawing attention to himself ?
It's diametrically opposed.

Maybe, recognized as a "weirdo" by his longtime neighbors, who also felt sorry for his poor wife and children (like the supermarket cashier), was the best protection shield against nosy people, he could have had. A weirdo, who had a reputable job in the city NY, a nice Avalanche in front of the home and a simple house with the optics still from 1993. It didn't make him suspect for 30 years - very well done by him, it seems.

 

[snarast]

Why oh why would someone who goes to the utmost extremes to not be traced and get caught for his heinous crimes draw attention to his dilapidated home therefore drawing attention to himself ?
It's diametrically opposed.

Because then you can avoid visitors. You know your wife wont let the nosy folks in.

 

[Detective Willy]

Sometimes you see somebody who looks as mad as a meataxe.

This is Rex.

Looks very special and was hiding in plain sight.

Pretty sure he was not a barrel of fun to live with

 

[kdsmith21]

Well there is no note to take Derek back to the airport !!

Maybe the return was on a calendar Dat that wasn't released. Or lived in Massapequa and this was a return flight

 

[Diddian]

I kinda went off with out reading all the details..busy day..but you never write stuff down and nothing is really deleted and there are all kinds of ways this stuff can still be retrieved as happened here.
I am super interested in knowing how many victims he has and when he is going to come clean and tell us he has victims going back to the eighties and there are murders that he can clear up for LE . I feel like his DNA is going to ping on cases in Manhattan etc. He better start dealing, he's not getting off and CODIS is looming..he's never going home so..

if he pulled anything in SC they will pull the switch on him. he has to be nervous.. you know Bundy got around, Keyes was always on the move...is Rex a homeboy ? or did he cross State lines? I really wish we could know all his different locales and all his travels. mOO

I doubt he will start disclosing his involvement with other victims UNLESS and UNTIL he believes he has something to gain by it.

More likely, even though unpleasantly surprised by what LE has been able to uncover through their investigation so far (of electronics, the home, the vehicle, the scenes were bodies were left), RH is enjoying the fact that there remains much that is undetected - other victims, the particulars of his crimes against his victims.

He can no longer enjoy the hunt of women, so he is enjoying his own resistance to being hunted - i.e. what he believes he has adequately hidden or destroyed to hinder LE's ability to investigate.