Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[eishish]

Totally agreed on this. But the same hand appeared to be at work for these three victims: Colleen McNamee, Sandra Costilla, and Rita Tangredi. The posing, the woodchips, the left shoe, etc. And all these victims were petite. That's got to be the same hand at work in all three murders. So JB was convicted with DNA of CM and RT murders. But RH is now charged with SC. To me, this means there has to be some kind of association/link between RH and JB. Either they actually know each other (ghastly to think about) OR jmo RH was basically stalking JB and framing him. Stalking and framing JB-- why JB? RH would still somehow have to be aware of JB's existence and activities that JB was undoubtedly trying to conceal. And it's not like RH could "know" they were one day going to bring in Bittrolff's brother for that DNA sample.

And am wondering if the woodchips/sawdust possibly came from the victims being "stored" or maybe hidden in a compost heap. But where??

Yes, the but where!! Just like when was the burn can used if not reported at home? Maybe at the locale w chips? The sawdust? The burn can and chips and miss-leaders are very intriguing. Not covered much either....where us that burn can? Any receipts, photos for id? Very integral for making a murderer. Maybe le holding on to this imp evidence

 

[Izzylizzy]

The “Valentine’s Day” date doesn’t match either. That’s not day she went missing. It was last time her dad talked to her and they didn’t talk every day. It’s widely reported that she was “last seen” on Feb 14, 1996, but that isn’t a confirmed fact. She was in Jail that day, and called her dad from jail on Feb 14.

Her legs washed up on Fire Island 20 April and reports were they hadn’t been in water for that long. (not 2 months)

Not denying probable link to RH - it’s the Valentines date that doesn’t fit. Much more likely met her demise in April 1996. Not Feb 14. Not a violent act commited for significance on St Valentine day. Much less likely a Xmas tree still standing in April.

IMO need more info about her time in jail, who bailed KV and on what date. More info on the creepy cop boyfriend of witness - seems he knows a lot more about “games” and is fine with just walking away when there’s going to be trouble. He also prob knows that LE don’t take missing persons for person out on bail/awaiting trial … he might have actually specially delivered a person not likely to be missed.

In all the articles I've read about KV none have said that she wasn't deceased for long when her partial remains were found on 4-20-96 on Fire Island.
These Include the April 1996 articles when her remains were found.
Do you have any links for that information?

 

[LadyL]

Did his car have built in GPS?

very curious about that too but would think it would be included in the affidavit
but maybe they're holding it back for investigative reasons?

 

[LadyL]

The “Valentine’s Day” date doesn’t match either. That’s not day she went missing. It was last time her dad talked to her and they didn’t talk every day. It’s widely reported that she was “last seen” on Feb 14, 1996, but that isn’t a confirmed fact. She was in Jail that day, and called her dad from jail on Feb 14.

Her legs washed up on Fire Island 20 April and reports were they hadn’t been in water for that long. (not 2 months)

Not denying probable link to RH - it’s the Valentines date that doesn’t fit. Much more likely met her demise in April 1996. Not Feb 14. Not a violent act commited for significance on St Valentine day. Much less likely a Xmas tree still standing in April.

IMO need more info about her time in jail, who bailed KV and on what date. More info on the creepy cop boyfriend of witness - seems he knows a lot more about “games” and is fine with just walking away when there’s going to be trouble. He also prob knows that LE don’t take missing persons for person out on bail/awaiting trial … he might have actually specially delivered a person not likely to be missed.

that would've been the last time she was seen by jail workers
and potentially is the day she went missing I think

 

[LadyL]

However, IIRC, there were still Christmas lights (of sorts) still in the front yard last July on the day of his arrest - so maybe decorations stay up year round…?

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I don't see any Christmas lights in this picture?

 

[Onlyguessing23]

I don't see any Christmas lights in this picture?

Sorry, my image is blurry, but I believe there is one of those net-like Christmas lights draped in front of that greenery - circled by me in the photo now. Correct me if I’m wrong.

 

[LadyL]

Sorry, my image is blurry, but I believe there is one of those net-like Christmas lights draped in front of that greenery - circled by me in the photo now. Correct me if I’m wrong.

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oh maybe
you've got good eyesight!
I was just looking along the roof and posts of the porch

 

[Onlyguessing23]

oh maybe
you've got good eyesight!
I was just looking along the roof and posts of the porch

lol. It’s much clearer on the original photo.

 

[Angelcat13]

I think it's safe to assume that RH had 100's of dates with sex workers. I don't believe all of those workers were murdered by him, though. it would be nothing for him to tell his wife he had to work a little late, book a date, and be home at a reasonable time.

IIRC, Gary Ridgway’s name came up during the investigation into the Green River Killer. Police reportedly spoke to several “girls” who said they felt he was “harmless” because they had previously done “business” with him and nothing bad happened.

Again, IIRC, Ridgway later admitting to having a “regular” relationship with prostitutes so that he would be viewed as being “safe” and they wouldn’t be afraid of getting in the car with him.

 

[eishish]

IIRC, Gary Ridgway’s name came up during the investigation into the Green River Killer. Police reportedly spoke to several “girls” who said they felt he was “harmless” because they had previously done “business” with him and nothing bad happened.

Again, IIRC, Ridgway later admitting to having a “regular” relationship with prostitutes so that he would be viewed as being “safe” and they wouldn’t be afraid of getting in the car with him.

Wld seem so, but none have come forward...nikki nvr had interactions w him cept once. In light of current situ wld believe that many/any wld come forward. $, book deals, tv, you name it. The do not answer in phone said he was marked. The fact at least 6 were nvr seen again, alarming and must have been noticed. Am not disagreeing, just where are they? So odd

 

[snarast]

Wld seem so, but none have come forward...nikki nvr had interactions w him cept once. In light of current situ wld believe that many/any wld come forward. $, book deals, tv, you name it. The do not answer in phone said he was marked. The fact at least 6 were nvr seen again, alarming and must have been noticed. Am not disagreeing, just where are they? So odd

I’m guessing ppl who are in the business don’t really change their mind in a jiffy because someone has been charged (RH) by a new set of suits. ”The street don’t change but maybe their names” or smthn like that.

Plus it would seem when RH went over the line he was all in. But that must have been at most 1% - or more likely 0.1% of his ”temp workers”. Since a lot of johns are less than chivalrous, he probably didn’t stick out. Except as an ogre. I bet some of the girls who had to work with him did their best to forget…

Another answer to the question where all RH’s escorts went, other than to the morgue - maybe he was the last stop on some particularly vile trafficking circuit. Nobody gets out alive.

 

[eishish]

I’m guessing ppl who are in the business don’t really change their mind in a jiffy because someone has been charged (RH) by a new set of suits. ”The street don’t change but maybe their names” or smthn like that.

Plus it would seem when RH went over the line he was all in. But that must have been at most 1% - or more likely 0.1% of his ”temp workers”. Since a lot of johns are less than chivalrous, he probably didn’t stick out. Except as an ogre. I bet some of the girls who had to work with him did their best to forget…

Or maybe he was the last stop on some particularly vile trafficking circuit. Nobody gets out really am shocked that very

I’m guessing ppl who are in the business don’t really change their mind in a jiffy because someone has been charged (RH) by a new set of suits. ”The street don’t change but maybe their names” or smthn like that.

Plus it would seem when RH went over the line he was all in. But that must have been at most 1% - or more likely 0.1% of his ”temp workers”. Since a lot of johns are less than chivalrous, he probably didn’t stick out. Except as an ogre. I bet some of the girls who had to work with him did their best to forget…

Another answer to the question where all RH’s escorts went, other than to the morgue - maybe he was the last stop on some particularly vile trafficking circuit. Nobody gets out alive.

Am shocked all around by so few coming forward, anyone...but fear is probably very strong. So many different types involved. Going way back too.

 

[FromGermany1]

Totally agreed on this. But the same hand appeared to be at work for these three victims: Colleen McNamee, Sandra Costilla, and Rita Tangredi. The posing, the woodchips, the left shoe, etc. And all these victims were petite. That's got to be the same hand at work in all three murders. So JB was convicted with DNA of CM and RT murders. But RH is now charged with SC. To me, this means there has to be some kind of association/link between RH and JB. Either they actually know each other (ghastly to think about) OR jmo RH was basically stalking JB and framing him. Stalking and framing JB-- why JB? RH would still somehow have to be aware of JB's existence and activities that JB was undoubtedly trying to conceal. And it's not like RH could "know" they were one day going to bring in Bittrolff's brother for that DNA sample.

And am wondering if the woodchips/sawdust possibly came from the victims being "stored" or maybe hidden in a compost heap. But where??

RH could have used JB as a supplier for wood, he needed for his hobby or his hobby (woodworking or murdering). Maybe, RH knew JB because of that, and they talked about things (big talker, that RH is) and their main theme was "killing on LI" and what to think of it.
If JB's 2 proven victims were petite young girls, then it maybe just a coincidence, that RH's victims also were petite girls. Schoolgirls (likely preferred by the killers) would have been missed and searched for by their parents and families, so weren't smart to have them kidnapped. SWs with the optics like a schoolgirl (?) were the better alternative for these killers - and there were mannny of them to choose from, it seems.
If the victims were "stored" somewhere, the killers had to drive with them to and from the store-place to put them to their final destination. First a victim nearly alive or just murdered, later the same victim, no longer in intact condition. Wasn't that too much of a risk to have them in their car?

 

[Baby baby Jane]

In all the articles I've read about KV none have said that she wasn't deceased for long when her partial remains were found on 4-20-96 on Fire Island.
These Include the April 1996 articles when her remains were found.
Do you have any links for that information?

There is a WS dedicated to her as 9098 Jane Doe. Maybe you find what you need there. When remains were found, in a plastic garbage bag they were able to describe skin, scars in detail, fresh pedicure & polish. At the time, reports were looking for missing persons “missing 2 weeks prior”

 

[dotr]

There is a WS dedicated to her as 9098 Jane Doe. Maybe you find what you need there. When remains were found, in a plastic garbage bag they were able to describe skin, scars in detail, fresh pedicure & polish. At the time, reports were looking for missing persons “missing 2 weeks prior”

Possible Victim: Fire Island Jane Doe, UP9098, found Davis Park Apr 1996 & Ocean Parkway Apr 2011 - Karen Vergata

Do they know or are they incompetent? Sadly, it could be either way with them.

www.websleuths.com

Long Island murder victim "Jane Doe No. 7" identified as Karen Vergata, 27 years after she went missing

Karen Vergata had been living in Manhattan before she disappeared around Feb. 14, 1996, officials said.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[CuriousCricket]

(snipped)
If the victims were "stored" somewhere, the killers had to drive with them to and from the store-place to put them to their final destination. First a victim nearly alive or just murdered, later the same victim, no longer in intact condition. Wasn't that too much of a risk to have them in their car?

How many times are you actually stopped by LE? Don't you think that once you've killed a time or two, maybe sweated bullets the first several times you've transported a victim, you become as comfortable with it as driving to the local store?

The few times I've been stopped: Driver's License checkpoint, speeding, temporary tag, LE has never had me pop the trunk. Once in the dark, they had a flashlight and saw my two dogs in the back. He could not see the temporary tag in the back window, then apologized for stopping me. Another, we had a packed station wagon returning from vacation and were stopped in the mountains because of an intense manhunt.

The percentage of trips in which I even came under any scrutiny is so miniscule that someone like RH seeming like a good citizen with his story ready and a locked cover on his truck was safe. From reports, people with tail lights out or some other preventable cause for stop should not be carrying drugs or running stop signs or giving anyone cause to stop and search. But the ordinary citizen? The odds of ever being stopped are almost non-existent.

I think the first few times would be nerve-racking, but after that? No, perhaps just part of the game.

 

[Ruminations]

Totally agreed on this. But the same hand appeared to be at work for these three victims: Colleen McNamee, Sandra Costilla, and Rita Tangredi. The posing, the woodchips, the left shoe, etc. And all these victims were petite. That's got to be the same hand at work in all three murders. So JB was convicted with DNA of CM and RT murders. But RH is now charged with SC. To me, this means there has to be some kind of association/link between RH and JB. Either they actually know each other (ghastly to think about) OR jmo RH was basically stalking JB and framing him. Stalking and framing JB-- why JB? RH would still somehow have to be aware of JB's existence and activities that JB was undoubtedly trying to conceal. And it's not like RH could "know" they were one day going to bring in Bittrolff's brother for that DNA sample.

And am wondering if the woodchips/sawdust possibly came from the victims being "stored" or maybe hidden in a compost heap. But where??

There is something to learn about the sawdust. Apparently, it was tiny specks of wood per LE. According to the defense, it was mishandled and not available to be tested to even confirm that it was actually wood. There were also two different LE suspects. (!) One of them had wood chips in his car that were disposed of accidentally to make room for new evidence. (!) One of them had his ex-wife call in that she thought he killed one of the victims that Bittrolff was accused of at the time-now convicted. One of them had his investigation file about his being a suspect in the murder disposed of prematurely. (!)

I don't know which victim a police ex-wife had believed her husband had killed, nor do I know if that has ever been released. I also don't know which cop suspect is which-who had wood chips in his car-who had his investigation file thrown out...

One thing I can "clear" LE of is planting DNA. They collected it decades before they identified it. So, while there is some reason to explore the possibility that Suffolk police made the facts fit Bittrolff, there also is the really suspicious fact that his DNA was, amongst the DNA of other men, found on the victims. And Bittrolff apparently answered an interrogation question about purchasing sex like a true AH. Something like, "I don't have to pay; I get sex when I want it." (Not sure if the average SCPD interviewer would be as judgmental as I am about that answer.) While I dont remember the exact AH words, they made him seem strangely evasive for the seriousness of the charges. I would suggest saying nothing at all without a lawyer, but if the question were answered, I would say this would be a bad time to lie about sex which is contact that clearly leaves a trace, even in the 90's.

But the LE "expert" on the DNA evidence was dicey. They testified that the DNA was left within 1/2 hour of the murder. The public defender did not bring in their own expert, but apparently if they had, they would have said the sex was within 24 hours or slightly more of the murder.

I would love to see the actual testimony at the trial. SC keeps evidence close to their chest. I think it's possible that the similarities among the three murders Bittrolff was accused of are a bit over-stated. I guess that Bittrolff's DNA was not on Sandra. She sounds horrifically overkilled. But she may not have been raped with a p***s.


MOO

 

[FromGermany1]

How many times are you actually stopped by LE? Don't you think that once you've killed a time or two, maybe sweated bullets the first several times you've transported a victim, you become as comfortable with it as driving to the local store?

The few times I've been stopped: Driver's License checkpoint, speeding, temporary tag, LE has never had me pop the trunk. Once in the dark, they had a flashlight and saw my two dogs in the back. He could not see the temporary tag in the back window, then apologized for stopping me. Another, we had a packed station wagon returning from vacation and were stopped in the mountains because of an intense manhunt.

The percentage of trips in which I even came under any scrutiny is so miniscule that someone like RH seeming like a good citizen with his story ready and a locked cover on his truck was safe. From reports, people with tail lights out or some other preventable cause for stop should not be carrying drugs or running stop signs or giving anyone cause to stop and search. But the ordinary citizen? The odds of ever being stopped are almost non-existent.

I think the first few times would be nerve-racking, but after that? No, perhaps just part of the game.

On other threads here on WS I always had the impression, it would be rather luck to not get stopped by police, so very risky to have a dead body in the car. My impression might be wrong. Idk, I'm living in another country.

 

[Ruminations]

Def w the carpenter, Woodworking of both it is interesting. The camp idea very interesting. Along w the duckboat. Burlap and the chips def tie into hunting, a chipper perhaps, sawdust from spent wood or some type of groundcover, animal bedding. So interesting as maybe a mo change up of chips from burlap as miss- leaders to le??? Who knows

If the wood- like substance had been preserved it could be confirmed to be fresh wood chips or lumber or pressure treated lumber or pressed wood and the species of tree(s) involved.

Bittrolff's attorney (whose job it is is to sow doubt) said he didn't even know that it was wood.

If it were from tree work, it would be green wood.

MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

On other threads here on WS I always had the impression, it would be rather luck to not get stopped by police, so very risky to have a dead body in the car. My impression might be wrong. Idk, I'm living in another country.

A remarkable amount of serial killers get caught by canny traffic/patrol cops. Not just in the US, either. Peter Sutcliffe was caught by them, too.

It's probably a combination of cop instinct, the driver acting shifty, and something just not being right. A smear of blood or 'burglar kit' or weapon in sight. The driver driving erratically or unsafely.

Some day I'm going to write a list of all the serial killers caught by traffic and patrol cops. There are some very infamous names who didn't get nabbed by rooms of profilers and task forces, they got caught by someone who pulled them over to write them a ticket.

MOO