Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[willy wagtail]

Wld yhe

Yes, his email was the gun type

Well he was adamant to get his collection of guns returned.

 

[Izzylizzy]

News 12 Interviews with Ray Tierney after RH was charged with JT's and SC's murders.

Part 1:
Video in link
Power & Politics: Gilgo latest - 1:1 with Suffolk County DA Ray Tierney


Part 2"

 

[dotr]

Why the heck does Rex need Derek to cut a beam/post? Rex supposedly built furniture. It must be a code.

Still wondering if Rex is (naughty 666) Derek.
speculation, imo.

 

[x_files]

Still wondering if Rex is (naughty 666) Derek.
speculation, imo.

His invisible "friend" aka Dark Passenger?

 

[dotr]

His invisible "friend" aka Dark Passenger?

Dark passenger gif - Google Search

 

[Diddian]

I am curious if RH was in an online DARK NET chat group and Bittrolff bragged about his killings? or even posted photos.

I have NO IDEA how such groups work, but am curious whether contributors profit by posting photos/videos that other predators access. That is, could motivation for engaging in predatory activities not just be typical serial predator motivations, but ALSO be motivation for $ profit - by sharing photos/videos?

There may be multiple motivations where a serial killer is involved.

This is unrelated, but I remember recently watching an interview of Joel Rifkin conducted by a man who at the time of the interview was an FBI agent (now retired from FBI - Mark Safarik, now FBS International). Certainly Mr. Safarik is much more knowledgeable than I about serial killers and their motivations, drives, signatures, eccentricities - but one of the things that repeatedly struck me during that interview is that it seemed Mr. Safarik was putting words in Rifkin's mouth with respect to Rifkin's motivations and reactions to his own crimes (perhaps things Safarik had learned from study of other serial killers). Perhaps there was a reason - awareness that such predators will hide such motivations unless they are outright suggested to them, etc. (ETA: Rifkin maintained the same flat affect throughout, even in response to reactions Safarik suggested Rifkin must have experienced.)

But one of the things I kept thinking was: maybe Rifkin's first killing of a SW was just because he'd gotten tired of parting with the cash for the service (after engaging in such services with multiple SW's over years). "How dare this SW charge for 30 minutes, what it takes me 3 hours to earn" kind of thinking. And so, knowing this was a person from a vulnerable population who may not remain in close contact with others concerned for her welfare, Rifkin just decided the profit (i.e. avoiding payment out of his pocket for these services) was worth the risk. And having gotten away with it once, and later multiple times, he just kept going.

Maybe there is something here too... motivation by $ that RH cannot manage to earn legitimately? He gets the services for free and then makes a little more on the side by selling the photos/videos?

A link to the Criminal Mindscape: Joel Rifkin interview by Safarik:

Criminal Mindscape: Joel Rifkin

In this episode of Criminal Mindscape, former FBI profiler Mark Safarik enters New York’s largest maximum security prison and sits face to face with a

www.msnbc.com

ETA: I guess what I am saying is that, maybe the ability to share things for an untraceable fee over the internet has opened up a new, dark market and the related profits that might be earned is, by itself, a strong motivator that did not previously exist for serial killers pre-internet.

 

[Diddian]

Why the heck does Rex need Derek to cut a beam/post? Rex supposedly built furniture. It must be a code.

It could be that Derek (if he exists) needed to cut his own 6x6 beam/post. And RH had the power tool to do it whereas Derek did not.

 

[willy wagtail]

It could be that Derek (if he exists) needed to cut his own 6x6 beam/post. And RH had the power tool to do it whereas Derek did not.

So maybe Derek was visiting area doing work on his holiday home that Rex had designed as architect ?

 

[Ruminations]

I have NO IDEA how such groups work, but am curious whether contributors profit by posting photos/videos that other predators access. That is, could motivation for engaging in predatory activities not just be typical serial predator motivations, but ALSO be motivation for $ profit - by sharing photos/videos?

There may be multiple motivations where a serial killer is involved.

This is unrelated, but I remember recently watching an interview of Joel Rifkin conducted by a man who at the time of the interview was an FBI agent (now retired from FBI - Mark Safarik, now FBS International). Certainly Mr. Safarik is much more knowledgeable than I about serial killers and their motivations, drives, signatures, eccentricities - but one of the things that repeatedly struck me during that interview is that it seemed Mr. Safarik was putting words in Rifkin's mouth with respect to Rifkin's motivations and reactions to his own crimes (perhaps things Safarik had learned from study of other serial killers). Perhaps there was a reason - awareness that such predators will hide such motivations unless they are outright suggested to them, etc. (ETA: Rifkin maintained the same flat affect throughout, even in response to reactions Safarik suggested Rifkin must have experienced.)

But one of the things I kept thinking was: maybe Rifkin's first killing of a SW was just because he'd gotten tired of parting with the cash for the service (after engaging in such services with multiple SW's over years). "How dare this SW charge for 30 minutes, what it takes me 3 hours to earn" kind of thinking. And so, knowing this was a person from a vulnerable population who may not remain in close contact with others concerned for her welfare, Rifkin just decided the profit (i.e. avoiding payment out of his pocket for these services) was worth the risk. And having gotten away with it once, and later multiple times, he just kept going.

Maybe there is something here too... motivation by $ that RH cannot manage to earn legitimately? He gets the services for free and then makes a little more on the side by selling the photos/videos?

A link to the Criminal Mindscape: Joel Rifkin interview by Safarik:

Criminal Mindscape: Joel Rifkin

In this episode of Criminal Mindscape, former FBI profiler Mark Safarik enters New York’s largest maximum security prison and sits face to face with a

www.msnbc.com

ETA: I guess what I am saying is that, maybe the ability to share things for an untraceable fee over the internet has opened up a new, dark market and the related profits that might be earned is, by itself, a strong motivator that did not previously exist for serial killers pre-internet.

I don't know how these things work, either- but I think there is some dark web system in place to prevent persons trading in media depicting crimes against children from turning each other in- like they have to upload something to see something. If one of them goes to jail, they both do.

MOO

 

[eishish]

I'm on the same page as you. Otherwise, why copy an unknown local, why not copy one of the more infamous serial killers?

The torso, times sq killer is similar. Manhattan haunts, tech savvy, peep show were the web of the time, being a professional, married, kids, torture, prostitures, drug addicts. Rifkin was more a loner type squeeking by, lived w mom, non professional. No children, no marriage. A truck tho got him caught!! Those vehicles implicate so many. Was trying to do a NY type of comparison of the killers. Rex out of all seemed most unlikely. Prominent business, more social. Torso bragged at work re his deaths. Btw, the netflix of him, quite good. The Times Sq killer. Thank God caught. All of them.

 

[Betty P]

I mean birds of a feather flock together? Maybe, traded pix, photos, and films of their crimes?

John Ray has mentioned something similar before - that people who are into violent, sadistic sex like to socialize with other people who have the same interests. There are groups and clubs people sometimes join, either online or in person.

Browse around Websleuths and you'll find many similar cases these days - killers who find ways to profit from their crimes on the dark web.

 

[Betty P]

The torso, times sq killer is similar. Manhattan haunts, tech savvy, peep show were the web of the time, being a professional, married, kids, torture, prostitures, drug addicts. Rifkin was more a loner type squeeking by, lived w mom, non professional. No children, no marriage. A truck tho got him caught!! Those vehicles implicate so many. Was trying to do a NY type of comparison of the killers. Rex out of all seemed most unlikely. Prominent business, more social. Torso bragged at work re his deaths. Btw, the netflix of him, quite good. The Times Sq killer. Thank God caught. All of them.

Saw that documentary, very sad. The Times Square Killer was evil, addicted to his "hobby" and killed quite a few women. Like Rex, he was a "normal" professional, hiding in plain sight. Preyed on sex workers.

Richard Cottingham - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[snooptroop88]

Still mulling over this note in HK:
Spur of the moment Cover? Stockholm Syndrome

Speculation-- He pondered either using Stockholm Syndrome for himself in some way (AE?) OR he was mulling over using it to blame something on victim suffering from Stockholm Syndrome at someone else's hands.

Using the Stockholm Syndrome himself as manipulation/brainwashing device: Maybe with "spur of the moment" he is talking about being surprised by AE coming home early and he'll try to connive her into sympathy for him?

Other alternative/blaming someone else with (fabricated) Stockholm Syndrome: What/why would RH be blaming something on Stockholm Syndrome?? Perhaps fearing victim escapes, or maybe LE arrives at the scene at the wrong moment ("spur of the moment"). RH might then be talking to LE, RH will make up some fantastic story about how he found victim somewhere, somehow, and had nothing to do with it. If he's "recon'd" his victim (which to me it appears he does), he can claim she's a human trafficking victim and RH innocently stumbled into this "situation" somehow. And now, she's blaming RH to protect the real "bad guy" (who may even have been JB, who knows?)

RH is careful to dot the i's and cross the t's when it comes to protecting himself. On the phone calls he made to friends and relatives of victims, the calls may have served a purpose other than his sadism (which he obviously has and seems to delight in hurting others). Maybe he was trying to make certain victims hadn't somehow shared information with loved ones about him prior to his murders, and he figured if the people he contacted had reason to suspect someone in particular, they'd blurt it out on the calls.

 

[eishish]

Was thinking 21 year old sex worker, hoisting, drilling, cement are nvr good visuals w a Rex type

As a addendum to derek, drills, wells. Backyard wells ( to conceal dead bodies possibly) can be dug by hand! All the way to giant size. So theres that

 

[eishish]

Still mulling over this note in HK:
Spur of the moment Cover? Stockholm Syndrome

Speculation-- He pondered either using Stockholm Syndrome for himself in some way (AE?) OR he was mulling over using it to blame something on victim suffering from Stockholm Syndrome at someone else's hands.

Using the Stockholm Syndrome himself as manipulation/brainwashing device: Maybe with "spur of the moment" he is talking about being surprised by AE coming home early and he'll try to connive her into sympathy for him?

Other alternative/blaming someone else with (fabricated) Stockholm Syndrome: What/why would RH be blaming something on Stockholm Syndrome?? Perhaps fearing victim escapes, or maybe LE arrives at the scene at the wrong moment ("spur of the moment"). RH might then be talking to LE, RH will make up some fantastic story about how he found victim somewhere, somehow, and had nothing to do with it. If he's "recon'd" his victim (which to me it appears he does), he can claim she's a human trafficking victim and RH innocently stumbled into this "situation" somehow. And now, she's blaming RH to protect the real "bad guy" (who may even have been JB, who knows?)

RH is careful to dot the i's and cross the t's when it comes to protecting himself. On the phone calls he made to friends and relatives of victims, the calls may have served a purpose other than his sadism (which he obviously has and seems to delight in hurting others). Maybe he was trying to make certain victims hadn't somehow shared information with loved ones about him prior to his murders, and he figured if the people he contacted had reason to suspect someone in particular, they'd blurt it out on the calls.

He sure is quick w the comebacks. Remarking he wld be no problem while jailed??? So odd and the meaning...Was he trying to paint the well behaved inmate picture. Such a odd statement, imo, thoughts anyone

 

[snooptroop88]

He sure is quick w the comebacks. Remarking he wld be no problem while jailed??? So odd and the meaning...Was he trying to paint the well behaved inmate picture. Such a odd statement, imo, thoughts anyone

When did he say he'd be no problem when jailed? Just curious. Because it would be a weird thing for him to say. It's almost incriminating. He's already been corresponding with a convicted SK who's encouraging him to come clean, which certainly doesn't look too good for RH, jmo. nvm, found it:

Suspected Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann is “very comfortable” in jail and promised officers that he would be “extremely compliant” – but still has not received any visitors, the Suffolk County sheriff said.

Gilgo Beach serial killing suspect Rex Heuermann ‘very comfortable,’ ‘compliant’ in jail: sheriff

Heuermann, 59, was arrested on multiple murder charges last week.

nypost.com

I mean he's in prison. Like what else does he think he's going to be but compliant??

 

[eishish]

When did he say he'd be no problem when jailed? Just curious. Because it would be a weird thing for him to say. It's almost incriminating. He's already been corresponding with a convicted SK who's encouraging him to come clean, which certainly doesn't look too good for RH, jmo.

Right at the beginning. Was on video. Will try to find. Yes, the butter beeded for bread comments...too much

 

[eishish]

Right at the beginning. Was on video. Will try to find. Yes, the butter beeded for bread comments...too much

Was that green river and then the daughter started the go fund me

 

[snarast]

Still mulling over this note in HK:
Spur of the moment Cover? Stockholm Syndrome

Speculation-- He pondered either using Stockholm Syndrome for himself in some way (AE?) OR he was mulling over using it to blame something on victim suffering from Stockholm Syndrome at someone else's hands.

Using the Stockholm Syndrome himself as manipulation/brainwashing device: Maybe with "spur of the moment" he is talking about being surprised by AE coming home early and he'll try to connive her into sympathy for him?

Other alternative/blaming someone else with (fabricated) Stockholm Syndrome: What/why would RH be blaming something on Stockholm Syndrome?? Perhaps fearing victim escapes, or maybe LE arrives at the scene at the wrong moment ("spur of the moment"). RH might then be talking to LE, RH will make up some fantastic story about how he found victim somewhere, somehow, and had nothing to do with it. If he's "recon'd" his victim (which to me it appears he does), he can claim she's a human trafficking victim and RH innocently stumbled into this "situation" somehow. And now, she's blaming RH to protect the real "bad guy" (who may even have been JB, who knows?)

RH is careful to dot the i's and cross the t's when it comes to protecting himself. On the phone calls he made to friends and relatives of victims, the calls may have served a purpose other than his sadism (which he obviously has and seems to delight in hurting others). Maybe he was trying to make certain victims hadn't somehow shared information with loved ones about him prior to his murders, and he figured if the people he contacted had reason to suspect someone in particular, they'd blurt it out on the calls.

Regarding SS - it’s a psychological response to coercion and it requires some time for implementation. The result of SS is a compliant victim who would would go through hell before betraying RH. I would say there are a few options:

1. RH wants to induce SS in a victim SW.
- In order to keep her longer.
- In order to use her as bait to entrap others.
2. RH wants to induce SS in a family member he wants to incorporate in his playtime.
- This could be a fantasy and be very compelling for someone like RH.
- to use as bait or to subdue the family into behaving according to his wishes.
3. RH has observed symptoms of SS in his victims and wants to either use it or avoid it. SS can go both ways - this might induce sympathy and thus decreasing the satisfaction of playtime.

 

[snooptroop88]

@eishish Keith Jesperson/Happy Face Killer. From NewsNation: "Jesperson, who murdered at least eight women across the U.S. in the 1990s, wrote to Heuermann to encourage him to come clean and confess if he’s guilty. He has penned letters to other serial killers and suspected murderers in the past."

‘Happy Face’ serial killer pens note to Gilgo Beach suspect

Heuermann has exchanged messages with convicted killer Keith Jesperson, widely known as the “Happy Face Killer.”

www.newsnationnow.com

Jesperson's daughter is the one that was helping Asa.

Daughter of Happy Face Killer raising money to help Gilgo Beach suspect’s wife ‘start a new life’

Melissa Moore’s father, Keith Jesperson, is also known as the “Happy Face Killer.”

nypost.com

I think Jesperson's the one RH was commiserating over the butter with.